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Can a cake change strains while fruiting?
    #21760332 - 06/04/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Been successfully working with cakes for about 9 mos, lots of different strains, Penis Envy has been my fav. Recently I had something weird happen with a PE cake - after maybe four flushes the fruits started looking totally different, no longer the classic PE shape and size but instead really thin and spindly with caps that look like most other cubes. There were Golden Teacher cakes in the FC also, could they have transferred spores to the PE cake and changed the strain? Or can a cake just start producing different looking fruits after a while? It's the only one I've seen this happen with, and two months later this cake is still producing the spindly fruits like one or two at a time (prob ten flushes).

One other question - can spores colonize but still be bad? I have colonized 3 A+ Albino and a couple Orissas that just won't fruit, in a FC with many other successful cakes. I have searched that problem and read about possible bacteria contams on the cake, but I find that difficult to believe in this case bc all cakes were colonized together but only certain strains haven't fruited (6 weeks and counting).

Thanks in advance for any info, great site with tons of knowledge, really appreciate it.


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: dubla]
    #21760341 - 06/04/15 05:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Been successfully working with cakes for about 9 mos, lots of different strains, Penis Envy has been my fav. Recently I had something weird happen with a PE cake - after maybe four flushes the fruits started looking totally different, no longer the classic PE shape and size but instead really thin and spindly with caps that look like most other cubes. There were Golden Teacher cakes in the FC also, could they have transferred spores to the PE cake and changed the strain? Or can a cake just start producing different looking fruits after a while? It's the only one I've seen this happen with, and two months later this cake is still producing the spindly fruits like one or two at a time (prob ten flushes).

One other question - can spores colonize but still be bad? I have colonized 3 A+ Albino and a couple Orissas that just won't fruit, in a FC with many other successful cakes. I have searched that problem and read about possible bacteria contams on the cake, but I find that difficult to believe in this case bc all cakes were colonized together but only certain strains haven't fruited (6 weeks and counting).

Thanks in advance for any info, great site with tons of knowledge, really appreciate it.




If you used an MS injection, that would explain the variance in genetics. You say you've been working with cakes for 9 months. How have you been inoculating your jars? Also, how have you been fruiting the cakes, in what conditions?


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: Myconin]
    #21760350 - 06/04/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes MS injections every time, but this is the first time I've ever seen a cake change fruits including multiple other jars inoculated with the same PE syringe. FC is just a single tub with perlite, lots of fanning but not SG.


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: dubla]
    #21760356 - 06/04/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Could you please put up some pics so we can better understand what you're talking about? Usually long, spindly stems are a sign of poor FAE as the mushrooms will try to reach up for air, but I'd need to see a pic to confirm that's what's happening.


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: Myconin]
    #21760430 - 06/04/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not with them now but maybe I'll try to get a pic up later. I can tell you that all the other PE fruits in the same FC have been thriving and looking totally normal, fat and dense. The cake in question also was completely normal for the first four flushes, then it just changed to these spindly fruits that I've not seen before and they look nothing like PE. They have complete veils and will spit spores if left a bit too long, two more attributes I'm not used to seeing with PE. I've also never seen a cake just continue to produce fruits for this long, ten flushes and counting, but maybe that part is normal and I just haven't gotten the process down enough to see it on a regular basis.


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: dubla]
    #21760443 - 06/04/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It could just be that it's a tenth flush lol. The best genetics are all in the first two flushes usually. By the third, fourth and higher flushes, the "lazy" genetics are the ones that fruit, you don't even want to clone those imo. I would just say that these weird mushies are a sign of the cake being spent.

Although, holy crap! 10 flushes?! That's crazy dude, nice job :thumbup:


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ThirtyCigarettes said: "All I know is every other thread I see in the Cultivation forum goes like this: QUESTION > ANSWER > DIFFERENT ANSWER > ARGUE > TC COMES AND CLEARS IT UP"


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: Myconin]
    #21760476 - 06/04/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok that makes sense. And yeah it is crazy, thanks, but keep in mind I'm counting each time it produces new fruits which now has slowed to one at a time. The 5th and 6th flushes were still a decent amount of the spindly ones though, like maybe 6 (weight wise not much).


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: dubla]
    #21760488 - 06/04/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Higher flushes have higher chances of mutants and other weird developments due to poor remaining genetics. I'd chalk it up to that imho.


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ThirtyCigarettes said: "All I know is every other thread I see in the Cultivation forum goes like this: QUESTION > ANSWER > DIFFERENT ANSWER > ARGUE > TC COMES AND CLEARS IT UP"


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: Myconin]
    #21760813 - 06/04/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow!!! 10 flushes!!! And from cakes at that....  INCREDIBLE!

And the couple years when I was still doing cakes was getting 3-4 at best!

What the hell is left in the cakes that the mycelium & mushrooms are still eating?

Are you doing some type of nutrient dunk on them?


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21762372 - 06/04/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Is that unheard of? Like I said keep in mind I'm counting each time it grows one or two new fruits as another flush. And no I haven't dunked it in anything but water between. It's the only cake I've had that lasted this long.


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: dubla]
    #21762558 - 06/04/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea man with multispore your genetics will vary from cake to cake, flush to flush maybe mushroom to mushroom etc

If you isolate a strain on agar, or clone, you can get consistent genetics


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: dubla]
    #21764819 - 06/05/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh ok... I wondered. guess I should have read closer....my bad.


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21764943 - 06/05/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's weird how lately the pe strains been throwing more classic cubes. If you clone a pe looking fruit you should have pure pe from then on. Like said before :smile:


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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: Myconin]
    #21764968 - 06/05/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There was a noc'ed up BRF jar of colorado cubes that looked really strange...  The myc on one side was very thin and stretchy...  it eventually filled in, but still looked much different than the normal 4 other sides.  It never really achieved that solid white myc look. 

And yes, the substrate was all mixed very well.

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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: Myconin]
    #21765000 - 06/05/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

#10, a couple pics of the spindly fruit:



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Re: Can a cake change strains while fruiting? [Re: dubla]
    #21765569 - 06/05/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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#10, a couple pics of the spindly fruit:








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