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    #21759953 - 06/04/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #21760005 - 06/04/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well meditation teaches you patience, relaxation, concentration/focus

Speed removes that
LSD removes that too

But LSD can also bring patience in the right setting

You can get there without the LSD, and your body feels better without the drug often
the drug gives you that comeup chill unpleasant effect

Meditation has no side effect, there is a few days side effects to LSD
speed can change your brain

Try meditation in nature without the drug, then LSD in nature , compare for yourself

I have liked both, but I would never take speed
It seems whatever LSD/shrooms do, they taught me not to use speed, weed etc and that kind of stuff

But to live a certain way instead


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: lessismore]
    #21760029 - 06/04/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea that makes sense, I have tried meditating while on psilocybin(in nature) but when doing so I feel I'm at a point similar to one I am trying to get to by meditating. This makes sober meditation much more fulfilling for me and I find it easier to silence my mind.

Those crazy hippies... gotta love em.


Lessismore what do u feel the difference between tryptamines and THC is? I also am against amphetamine use.


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #21760040 - 06/04/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am not sure
I have had very psychoactive THC, but it seems both THC and tryptamines gives paranoid delusions/illusions

Shrooms give you death anxiety for hours
Weed give you paranoid cops at door anxiety for hours, or people at door anxiety

:-P

I don't think THC is pleasant to me anymore, its the most unpleasant to me
Shrooms are much more pleasant because there is a positive side/almost mania side to their paranoid delusions

At least you get some positive with it

Both disturb thinking for a while after... few days/weeks, but often in a good way.
It depends much on use, I have had great nights out on THC
I have also had it change my thoughts for the worse for a few weeks after use, same with shrooms.

In general tryptamines just change my thoughts more positively overall.


THC makes me want to read books, I can definitely not do that on shrooms
THC makes me want to eat, food doesnt work good on shrooms - you enjoy food but miniature portions

so easier to not gain weight on shrooms than thc for me, but they both mess up my thoughts for some time after

Is the trip worth it, I try to always ask myself
Is today a good day to trip, set an intention to trip a specific day
Set intention to trip in a peaceful place in nature alone,not too far from home

I only got something out of trying a somewhat high dose of LSD in nature, on medium it doesn't do more than what normal meditation does for me
So always did like 300ug+ in nature when  I tried, or 4-4.5g in nature of shrooms

That's a really really great trip and meditation though!
A new kind of meditation, it may change thoughts slightly, but it also brings great overview next day, heals ones thoughts if not using other drugs at the same time

A healing experience

The THC is more a recreative high experience than a soul healing one for me. Fun experience.


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: lessismore]
    #21760056 - 06/04/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The appreciation of all the small things, that's why I favor shrooms

THC does no good for me really, it was just a high

Shrooms are much more than a high to me, more ceremonial I would say - I always eat healthy / fast, take long walks on comedown, sit in nature/walk in nature on them, meditate on comedown , learn new music

It's a connecting to my soul often, at least when I eat as chocolates it seems they work better for me than normal eating. No nausea at all. As chocolates I get good trip 95% of the time it seems.
The anxiety just makes me laugh, there's a point where you evolve beyond fear in most cases so you can just enjoy any ride almost.

That's when shrooms become great, you can go so far into your mind and heal old stuff , if you do it responsibly - and even bring back stuff for other use (maybe for being creative, healing others, creating stuff..)

With either THC or shrooms it seems very important to do them rarely, the more rarely the more special the trip/high becomes it seems.
And if doing them everyday they just may ruin your life easily, at least I learned my lesson quickly with the THC. Everyday is not good.

Shrooms 3g as chocolates (see my recipe) + nature + psytrance , thats always a really great experience, it seems the music takes the trip to another dimension always - normal music makes no sense. Psy music is very spiritual.


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: lessismore]
    #21760070 - 06/04/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea I feel the same way about using these mind altering substances rarely. The magic is lost when they are overused, which is a valuable lesson. Something about how I feel the day after a good trip on shrooms and a good trip on grass is very different.

I have had full blown psychedelic experiences from medical marijuana but the day after I just feel like it was nothing but recreational, the opposite is true for mushies, I feel like I just expanded my consciousness and experienced the world in a new light, much more refreshing.

Also the difference in what I desire when on shrooms and marijuana differs, I always want to eat healthy when using shrooms but when using marijuana I feel less inclined to think about what I am eating(munchies).


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #21760104 - 06/04/15 02:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nature is all you need :-)

but crystals and houseplants are great too for meditation/a relaxed setting


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: lessismore]
    #21760246 - 06/04/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well put:grin:


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #21760576 - 06/04/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Stimulants are useful because they focus the mind. If a person has issues concentrating, ADHD etc, then stimulants are often used, as they aid with concentration. So from this perspective a stimulant could be useful in meditation. However, When you get into a meditative state, biologically your brainwaves change from beta to alpha waves. Alpha waves are only possible with deep relaxation, and such a state is going to be difficult to achieve when you have taking a moderate/large dose of a stimulant.

Some Buddhist monks drink green tea to help them concentrate. Green tea does contain small amounts of caffiene, but it also contains an amino acid called L-Theanine, which is relaxing and makes it much easier to reach an alpha-wave state. So, in very very small amounts, a stimulant could be useful because it enables the level of concentration necessary to reach a meditative state (i.e not letting your mind wander off), but too much and you won't be able to relax enough.

Before I stopped drinking caffeine, I tried meditating after a cup of coffee, and it was very difficult indeed. If you want something to assist with meditation, I would suggest green tea, or just L-Theanine on it's own which can be bought in supplement form.


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: PocketLady]
    #21760688 - 06/04/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the info Pocketlady, would eating a bit of green tea have the same desired effect? as weird as it sounds.:tongue:


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #21760702 - 06/04/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I guess it would, but I've never tried it. Although I think you might get more of an intense "hit" so to speak, by making a tea. Mushroom tea always hit me harder than just eating mushrooms!


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: PocketLady]
    #21762802 - 06/04/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You guys should try betel nut. It gives great mental alertness and energy, but is very relaxing at the same time. Great for meditation.

I am amazed at what can be done with herbs and mushrooms. The pharmaceutical industry poisons so many people who could be helped/healed with the right herbs.


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: Deviate]
    #21762908 - 06/04/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Any thing that help nurish the mind and body helps meditation

green tea
oatmeal
garlic (yup! - helps whole body, gives bad breath!)
grow spinace in your garden, easiest salad to grow, grows by itself
nuts

so it seems what is really needed is not so much a drug, but to get the mind and body in healthy condition

driving long on bicycle is a great way too that I use for lucid dreaming
it helps dreaming focus, because mind and body are relaxed
so I often drive 30-35km before I sleep, then I get very clear dreams sometimes


and best tip for lucid dreaming/meditation:
fasting a few days in a row


last tip only works if you got a healthy body and mind, you can't fast as easily if you are sick or on pills i.e.
and people who don't have healthy minds cannot fast, they believe they cannot

but fasting helps my dreaming a lot and helps me be more aware generally


no rules, but follow what seems and feels good to body and mind without overindulgance


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #21771876 - 06/06/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ergoticmandala said:
Done anyone have experience with meditating while on caffeine or any other stimulants for that matter? How does it compare to sober meditation?
I became curious about this after reading a passage from Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test where the Pranksters are using speed(Ritalin) combined with acid.



do you have experience meditating?


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: youknowyou]
    #21772196 - 06/06/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yes


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #21772208 - 06/06/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yup, OPs post almost seems like a troll post

anyone who meditates regularly would say that post makes no sense, is not in alignment with what meditation is about at all

but then there is the problem of us all forgetting to meditate once in a while


drugs are the opposite of what you want when you meditate, drugs give thoughts, drugs remove your clarity of thought, no overview


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: lessismore]
    #21772380 - 06/06/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

so u have never thought that drugs can help u meditate or that I might be interested in how a certain drug (that I have not tried) effects meditation, yes i'm such a troll...
I got everyone so good!
wtf even

because I've never heard of anyone meditating while on any mind altering chemical, especially on shroomery


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #21773099 - 06/07/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what are you serious a troll post?

heh :p

yah, i will voice another vote yes to green tea; that's the bomb diggity.

times a million.


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #21773701 - 06/07/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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lessismore said:
Yup, OPs post almost seems like a troll post

anyone who meditates regularly would say that post makes no sense, is not in alignment with what meditation is about at all

but then there is the problem of us all forgetting to meditate once in a while


drugs are the opposite of what you want when you meditate, drugs give thoughts, drugs remove your clarity of thought, no overview




I think you should not speak on behalf of "anyone who meditates regularly"

Meditation on drugs and meditation off drugs can be the exact same experience imo.  I don't see how op is viewed as a troll for asking this.

Ive meditated on most every substance I've ingested over the past 7 years to see how my mind operates on different things and I agree that daily sober meditation is the cornerstone and op should make it a habit, but if you take caffeine or lsd or mushrooms or Kratom etc etc and meditate on them, you're not doing meditation wrong or defeating the purpose of the activity.


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Re: meditation while stimulated? [Re: cez]
    #21773722 - 06/07/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think you should not speak on behalf of "anyone who meditates regularly"

Meditation on drugs and meditation off drugs can be the exact same experience imo.  I don't see how op is viewed as a troll for asking this.

Ive meditated on most every substance I've ingested over the past 7 years to see how my mind operates on different things and I agree that daily sober meditation is the cornerstone and op should make it a habit, but if you take caffeine or lsd or mushrooms or Kratom etc etc and meditate on them, you're not doing meditation wrong or defeating the purpose of the activity.







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