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maddchef
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: maddchef]
#21763381 - 06/04/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hell I just need a 5ft tall PC lol.
-------------------- In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. All mushrooms are edible, but some only once..... Easier than cakes I do science and shit.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: maddchef]
#21763386 - 06/04/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hard to say. Yields would certainly suffer. I wanna say it would colonize but I'm not sure I would be worth it in the end.
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36fuckin5
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21763398 - 06/04/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I can't recall seeing a grow, but I believe you bodhi. I must have missed that.
Regardless, I still think it'd be easier and more efficient to pasteurize. I also fucked up when I said 120 minutes. I was thinking 15 PSI for some reason. I'd steam for a full 8 hours if I were trying to sterilize straw.
BTW people who aren't experienced (or aren't posting or don't have an account or whatever), this is a good experiment. Don't get all crazy, tweak things a little at a time. We're out to make things easier, and I could see how this could make things easier in some situations.
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maddchef
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21763409 - 06/04/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes please at least learn actual proper pasteurization for your own sake.
I couldn't really justify 8 hours for 5 straw logs.
-------------------- In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. All mushrooms are edible, but some only once..... Easier than cakes I do science and shit.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21763430 - 06/04/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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what is easier anyway. doing is doing. I think it would be cool to see a result. people are concerned with how someone else's grow will turn out. I could see if it was asking how to get started and this idea was pitched.
I used sterilized straw instead of coir in a muda bottle tek. so it's straw with other things like grain and vermiculite. but still it's sterilized straw.
how sterilized the straw needs to be is up to guess work or empirical study. I say figure it out if you're interested.
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maddchef
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: bodhisatta]
#21763533 - 06/04/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Too bad there's no a way to build the log and then run a steam line directly into one end of it. That would save a good deal of time.
Be all nasty and waterlogged with likely no way to drain it off too lol.
-------------------- In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. All mushrooms are edible, but some only once..... Easier than cakes I do science and shit.
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mush madness
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: maddchef]
#21763561 - 06/04/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Could you use 12 inch pvc with screw on caps, put a 1 inch hole in one cap ( for steam exhaust) and plumb the steam into the other end?
Edited by mush madness (06/04/15 09:51 PM)
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maddchef
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Have to use the high temp PVC, can't remember what its called though. That's actually the exact design I had in mind.
The only way I could see this being worth my time, effort, and money is if I did somewhat of a modular system and created 8-10 of the tubes.
Downside to that is I'd likely have to use a very large or powerful steam generator and would burn through a dickload of fuel to run it.
-------------------- In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. All mushrooms are edible, but some only once..... Easier than cakes I do science and shit.
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: maddchef]
#21763647 - 06/04/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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55 gallon banded drum and wood fire a possibility for you?
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maddchef
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Wood or my propane burners. I prefer propane since its easier to regulate.
-------------------- In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. All mushrooms are edible, but some only once..... Easier than cakes I do science and shit.
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mush madness
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: maddchef]
#21763744 - 06/04/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I asked about wood due to its cheap heat, I dont think you would have to regulate the heat to much its not like you are building pressure. And 35 to 40 gallons of water will go a long way
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maddchef
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35-40 gallons will take an eon to heat
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mush madness
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: maddchef]
#21763814 - 06/04/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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1.5 hours or so with a hot fire but it will run the 8 hours that you need
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Pastywhyte
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I can fit 12 of those pp5's in my sterilizer at a time. I usually put 10 in my 66 quart monos dialed in as normal. Its a good enough yield and I am finding with straw subs with ms I am seeing around 150-200% BE first flush and close to 100% second. I'm sure a good clone will blow that out of the water. Straw that is colonized in vitro seems far more contam resistant as well compared to spawning to it.
Bulk bottles also really kick ass and I can get really good yields from them as well. Muda's tek is something i highly recommend. It even works with grain inoculate instead of liquids. My wikidzon clone was pumping out 20-25 dry grams a bottle. That's with less than a pint of grain. I can jam 13-15 of them into a 66 quart mono. So with that I was getting around 10-11 dry oz first flush in the same space as a regular mono. But it was far more contam resistant amd the second flushes were decent.

Point is that invitro bulk may not be as large a sub as people are used to. But pack a mono with enough of them and it operates the same way, your yield is great and its very contam resistant. Its also less work. One heat treatment, inoculate and then when its done remove the lid and shake on some verm. Done.
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cilasiah
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Re: Straw steam sterilization [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24964236 - 02/03/18 03:40 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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wow! really really nice fruited jars and yields!
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