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Problem With Metal
    #2175918 - 12/14/03 03:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I appreciate heavy metal as an art form, but what I don't like is the whole "death, destruction, hate, devil, festering corpses" theme to it. It's not that it offends me or scares me or anything. I just can't relate to it, and quite frankly, I don't see how anyone can. It doesn't seem very deep to me, and doesn't match up to anything in my life. I especially hate when the singers try to sound demonic. It just seems so stupid to me, and it sounds tacky.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2175931 - 12/14/03 03:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Not all metal bands sing about death and destruction.. take Opeth, Nevermore, Iced Earth, Death (yes, DEATH), and basically all the good ones..for example.

And I agree the demonic screaming thing is not very appealing, but when done right (Opeth, Death) it is amazing and takes a lot of skill to pull off. Not to mention Opeth, and others, switch between a very metal, growling type vocals, to melodic beautiful singing.

You should check out the above mentioned bands.

But then there is the whole category of "DEATH metal, and black metal", in which the vocals are primarily demonic screaming. I also don't agree with all their lyrics, but some of them are extremely talented bands. The good ones are few and far between. It is also a style that tends to grow on you after a while.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Shroomism]
    #2175935 - 12/14/03 03:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm listening to Opeth right now(Black Rose Immortal), and while I like the music, I don't like the growling at the beginning of the track. I guess it just grows on you or something.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2175941 - 12/14/03 03:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That's part of his style. Akerfeldt is one of the most amazing vocalists, as far as dynamic ability. And yes it does grow on you. When I first started listening to metal I couldn't stand the screaming most bands did.. so I was limited to like.. metallica, megadeth, and helstar. Then I went through my teenage 'fuck everything' phase, and found solace in the intense anger of slayer and other death metal bands. After that, it had grown on me, and although my tastes for metal had evolved towards more intelligent lyrics, I was able to appreciate the growling type vocals, if done correctly.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Shroomism]
    #2175955 - 12/14/03 03:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't doubt that it takes a great deal of talent(I certainly couldn't do it), but I prefer singing that doesn't sound like you're trying to be the devil. I'll give it a chance, tho. There's lots of music I didn't like at first, but it grew on me.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2175967 - 12/14/03 03:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

heh.. I know what your saying. Some of them think they are the devil though, or his brother or something..

For good metal without that type of singing (off the top of my head)

Nevermore (political revolution type lyrics, amazing singing)
Opeth (as you know..) If you haven't listened to all of it.. much of their stuff has clean vocals
Helstar (Unique speed metal.. transylvania style.. opera style vocals)
Cacophony (Amazing 80s speed metal with cheesy 80s singing)
Rhapsody

Eh..I'm tired.. I can think of more tommorow
But I still love me some brutal death metal.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2175987 - 12/14/03 03:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I see you signed our guestbook.. cool  :thumbup:

Don't worry.. keep listening to good metal.. and soon.. you will be craving that growling satanic catchy chorus you heard in that song the other day..


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2176041 - 12/14/03 04:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I agree. Some guy I know is all into Cradle of Filth. He is always watching this DVD of theirs... Personally I feel that they suck. I think if someone was to make a movie about a death meatal type band like that and hired actors who have absolutly NO idea how to play an instrument that this DVD would be like what the set would sound like before they edited the real music over it.

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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Shroomism]
    #2176187 - 12/14/03 06:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Man I hate the opera style singing death metal bands.
Its like you are getting all built up with good distorted guitars and then what sounds like some fat norweigan lady starts singing :thumbdown:

Silversoul-  I know what you mean, I prefer to express positive, but do you not think the negative should be expressed?

Also for me "metal" was never about darkness or even originally anger it was the same reason I got into punk...ENERGY


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: StonedShroom]
    #2176194 - 12/14/03 06:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Myself, I used to have a lot of problems with the death vocals as well. It was like first with Mudvayne, and the first time I listened to it, the songs were indistungishable. It just takes some time to get used to it, I guess. I love these kinds of vocals now. :grin:

I really like Anders (from IN FLAMES) death metal vocals. It is just the sound of it, I guess, I really love it. He tries to do the whole melodic singing thing too every once and awhile, but he isn't that good, and they have to soup it up with studio magic.. I guess he basically ruined his voice from the screaming. There are parts in songs where he is doing the melodic singing and you can hear his voice crack.. hehe.

I'd recommend downloading some Borknagar. Especially back when Simen Hestn?s was their singer and bassist. He's now with Dimmu Borgir, playing bass and doing background vocals. But anyways, Borknagar has some really good music, and I love the vocals. Especially when he does his clean vocals, his voice is fucking amazing.

And of course, Opeth rules fucking all. I'd recommend checking out Dark Tranquillity as well, Mikael Stanne has a pretty good sounding voice as well. There music isn't so much rooted in the death/black metal sound either, more of an open sound.... that'd be the good ole' Gotenburg sound. :grin:

Before I go on forever, check out Moonspell. They sort of draw from both death metal and this gothic influence, and they really have their own thing going on. Very melodic in a different sort of way, the singer is usually singing and he has this really cool inflection in his voice, as they are from Portugal...

But hell, I guess the whole not getting into the death vocals thing would just be because your ear hasn't adjusted to that type of sound yet.. of course, I know people that have listened to it every worknight and could never get into it, so it does come down to personal taste as well. I find that the really good vocalists get a lot of power and depth in their sound... there is just something about that layered sound....  :nut:
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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2176220 - 12/14/03 07:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Metal is an art form based largely on the negative parts of life, so it's obviously going to have lyrics based on the things you have said - things like the destruction of earth, christianity, murder, war, and so on. You should perhaps read some of the articles and philosophies on www.anus.com (no, it's not a porn site, it stands for American Nihilist Underground Society). It's quite interesting. I don't relate to everything on there, but some things are quite interesting, and some things I already could relate to. After reading that, you might have a better idea of WHY the lyrics that are in metal are there.
As for the cookie monster vocals - it's an acquired taste. Some bands don't sound good when they growl, others I think are brilliant. It's a matter of weeding out the style that you prefer (as with any music). I've been listening to metal since I was nearly 13, so it's kinda natural to me and I absolutely love screaming/growling and so on.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2176481 - 12/14/03 11:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Instead of watching a horror movie why not listen to it in heavy kick ass music with the same idea behind it.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: barfightlard]
    #2176484 - 12/14/03 11:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

bellylard said:
Instead of watching a horror movie why not listen to it in heavy kick ass music with the same idea behind it.




Hell, it was that concept that started metal in the first place. :grin:
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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: shaggy101]
    #2177103 - 12/14/03 05:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Silversoul- I know what you mean, I prefer to express positive, but do you not think the negative should be expressed?



Absolutely. I have no problem with expressing negativity. I love The Cure, who are decidedly negative in their focus. But the whole "death, destruction, chaos" shit just seems a bit, well, "cartoonish."


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2177117 - 12/14/03 05:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It can be. Depends what bands you are talking about.
I found most black metal to be very 'cartoonish'..with the occassional exception


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2177477 - 12/14/03 07:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why is death, destruction and chaos cartoonish? You do realise that these things DO happen in the world. It's merely a reflection of the world we live in.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Sheepish]
    #2177640 - 12/14/03 09:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I know they happen. I'm talking about the way they're presented. They seem to be making songs about these things without offering any insights about them. It reminds me of some of the guys I knew when I was in 8th grade who said they were Satanic. It was clear they just had some sort of morbid fascination with evil and were just trying to be rebellious. It seems so immature and fake to me.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2177658 - 12/14/03 09:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Most of the topics don't really need any insight, because it speaks for itself.
For example, take Angel of Death by Slayer - the lyrics are basically detailing the Holocaust. Most people would assume that they're a bunch of Nazi's who hate Jews. But what they're really doing is describing the sheer horror of what happened. They could have added a few lines with "This is all wrong, how could this happen?" but it really doesn't need to be said.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: Sheepish]
    #2177674 - 12/14/03 09:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't hate all metal, and have quite a bit of respect for Slayer. No, they don't need to comment on the death and destruction to provide insight into it. A lot of metal, however, seems to indulge itself in evil with a kind of morbid fascination, like the 14-year-old Satanists I mentioned above.


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Re: Problem With Metal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2177699 - 12/14/03 10:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It's just one of those things - some bands have a rather unhealthy obsession with evil. Sometimes it makes for great balls out metal, other times it makes me giggle.


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