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Nature Boy
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Salvia biochemically and experientially is not anything like classical psychedelics like LSD, mushrooms, or mescaline. It is more properly characterized as a dissociative. If you like mushies and mescaline and are looking for a similar experience, but shorter, DMT is the molecule you are most likely to gravitate towards.
Salvia can be terrifying, dysphoric and VERY unpleasant - possibly even injurious if you do it in large measure without a sitter. Do yourself a favor and start small and work up.
I'm fairly certain you will find the effects are not what you thought or hoped they would be, especially if you use concentrates above 10X.
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: Nature Boy]
#21764546 - 06/05/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am using plain leaf and im not sure what to expect other than what ive read and a handful of shroom trips. im not worried and scared at all. I just expect to have some visual affect if not full hallucinations.
shrooms gave me a very introspective trip with minor visuals. so anything more than shrooms and I will be satisfied.
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: Nature Boy] 1
#21764549 - 06/05/15 04:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A very LSD like trip
Except you are not in the driverseat anymore it just takes you, you get unconscious so you do not recall your friends recall...
it's like a dream, only you are awake you may morph into your couch or the walls then teleport to another dimension and have a teaparty with unknown spirits touching your body saying weird stuff you do not understand, so you yell at them
then you meet your family, or people you believe are your family and you yell at them too
it's like multiple splitting of the ego your person splits, into 2 or 3 persons, and you have a conversation with yourself
I've had people visit me who were not there, and I had long conversations with them (my friends) they weren't there
One time I went around on the floor picking up a plastic bag that was shaped 100% like a 3d head, it spoke to me but when I took it up, the floor still kept speaking to me in my friends voice then the furniture took my friends head shape and spoke to me
(this was on 5x and 20x , Sally is powerful..)
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: lessismore] 1
#21764557 - 06/05/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But I would much rather recommend laying down, and using smaller doses. The smallest necessary dose.
Gives a more pleasant trip, more meditative trip.
The other kind of trip can be fun, but I only feel safe when I have a sitter with that kind. Salvia can be fun very rarely for me, seems only once every 2-3 years or so!
I just cannot get myself to smoke it, but when I do I wonder why I didnt do it earlier It is pleasant and very unpleasant at the same time always...
Amazing trip, very unpleasant (LSD is like this too for me... exactly like this, always unpleasant at high doses.. mushrooms are like this too)
so same effect as LSD/mushrooms longterm for me, but I cannot say exactly what it does - it change your thoughts in some cases afterwards
Edit: forgot to mention that Salvia can give the funniest trip I've had in my life of any psychedelic laughed my ass off for 3 mins in a row or so or more very funny.... indescribeable but just like laughing on mushrooms/lsd it felt like laughter is a good medicine
but I am not sure I would recommend Salvia to any psychonaut except shamans... I dont really feel it is good for newcomers. LSD and mushrooms are better there I believe... - traditional tryptamines
deleriants which Salvia almost could be classified as are very confusing, people might not feel ready
Edited by lessismore (06/23/15 12:48 PM)
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: lessismore]
#21764564 - 06/05/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have to smoke it outside since I live with my aunt and uncle and they don't smoke inside.
I may sneak a deep hit or two inside in the dark when I get it though.
I have done shrooms so the comfortably uncomfortable feeling I am little familiar with.
I have my cousin as a trip sitter so im set there but I will be starting slow just to be fully safe.
my cousin is a bit nervous to try it he hasn't tripped before on anything so it will be interesting.
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They say if you are gunna do extract to start with 5x extract. I would strongly agree with this. Stupid me who wants the most out of all drugs went and bought 20x extract.
First small cone and bam I was fucked beyond belief. I was panicking that I could not get a sliding door open and that I was trapped. Once I got the door open the hallway became about 3 inches wide so I couldn't walk down it. It was very scary, I forgot I had even taken anything and I thought this was my new reality. I started sweating profusely and then remembered that it only lasts 15 minutes so I calmed down. Its indescribable the how intense and how strong this drug is.
It took a few drinks before I tried it again. This time it kicked even harder and everything I seen in my peripheral vision seemed to fold up like pages in a book. It seemed like everything in the world and universe was this book and me and my little life were on one page. I was out side of the book that had folded up. It was scary as hell. I felt I was in this space or void like I was dead and left the world. But wa just in some dark place. Then everything slowly went back to normal and I was sweating like a mother fucker again.
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: nomad165]
#21766459 - 06/05/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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^^^^ Classic salvia trip! Congratulations for getting through it - but not necessarily getting OVER it. Those frightening and dysphoric visions stays with you for a while, don't they?
I had a similar experience where 1) I didn't even remember I'd taken a drug, 2) the scene of my bedroom, with me in it, was inside what looked like a million repetions of itself racing away with "time". Each frame was a millisecond's worth of reality racing off into the past. It was terrifying because each one seemed like its own separate world, and I couldn't figure out which one I needed to re-enter to return to a "normal" reality, or HOW to go about doing it.
I experienced 100X more terror than any real-life experience I've ever had, and I've had some doosies.
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: Nature Boy]
#21767541 - 06/05/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is something special about the Salvia trip
it seems it feels so real, almost like a lucid dream
and personally all my lucid dreams in my life, from 4 years old to 30 I remember like 2mins ago, like yesterday in full color
same with my salvia trips it seems
so it seems great precautions must be taken, but that is pretty much required for all psychedelics the difference with salvia is it just takes you aboard, and you will remember it like yesterday for the rest of your life
so you better respect it... I don't want to remember a hell trip for the rest of my life
It seems to get stored in memory in such a way that it gets remembered intensely, somehow
5x is the best starting point, because you have to smoke more than one hit usually then you can redose... with 20x there's no redosing usually - you're just out of your room
I think there's a reason why we don't lucid dream every night, even experienced lucid dreamers same with salvia...
because the mind has to process the fear with such an intense trip, jumping out from a building in a lucid dream may take years to get over having a bad salvia trip the same..
a bad mushroom trip is less severe for me usually, because I am still -somewhat- in control and it doesn't forcefully change my memory the way a lucid dream or salvia can do
there's something weird about how lucid dreams and salvia trips get stored in memory, compared to normal everyday events or maybe it's just me...
ultra real dreams, ultra real trip - and gets stored as real so it will impact everyday of your life from then on, likely
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: lessismore]
#21767564 - 06/05/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But I'm not trying to make Salvia look bad here, it can certainly be an interesting and wonderful trip
I would classify it in same category as Datura, deleriant.
You may see people not there, smoke fake cigarettes not there, speak to people not there etc.
So the risks seem the same as Datura, you may kill yourself if in bad setting but else you will be safe - and there is no overdose on Salvia
But it is likely that just like Datura, it can mess up the mind with overuse some Datura users are pretty messed up.
I think it's the deleriant effects/deleriant memories that can mess people up, if they overdo it, and if they take other drugs at the same time
Delerium-states probably makes some weird changes to the brain , any brain scientists here?
(another thing that didnt feel safe for me on Salvia a few times: intense sweating in the head only... higher body temp... Not sure that is safe for body or mind..)
Edit: just want to add that scientifically salvinorin (salvia) is safe for the mind, very nontoxic unlike Datura. But it seems to produce much the same effects as Datura often. It's just my personal theory that it might not be safe with overuse. I would only take Salvia as often as I would take E - Believe the risk to the mind might be as large as with E i.e. So that means a few times in your life will probably be ok - my theory. If you use it more often, you better be a shaman or such. Many people have used it on youtube etc. and seem to come out ok - but there has been deaths from Salvia too, one got depressed due to it. Don't take it lightly, it is the most confusing of all psychedelics I've tried, and can be more depressing/confusing than weed too I believe. Takes a strong mind and requires moderation.
The beneficial effects from psychedelics are much larger for me with LSD/mushrooms than with Salvia, but I have felt about the same afterglow with salvia sometimes.
Very confusing drug, good / bad - there's no such thing with Salvia.
Was my trip good/bad ? I don't know ;-)
Edited by lessismore (06/05/15 08:57 PM)
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: lessismore]
#21767680 - 06/05/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some people will probably not believe me when I say Salvia is deleriant in effects
It can also be very psychoactive, same kind of effects when you look at a carpet or your hands etc - geometric shapes, infinity etc.
Very strong psychoactive, like high dose LSD
but also deleriant often when you smoke 5x
then suddenly with a higher dose it's more totally psychoactive, there's no room you're in another space, closed eye immension
It seems salvia for me can both produce: deleriant effects(very often on 5x), strong hallucinations audible/visual like a high dose LSD trip - just stronger, psychoactive - it will force you to view yourself differently and your friends differently, and yourself differently afterwards
so it can change you, help you, if you go into trip with an intention to heal your problems new overview afterwards often, new clarity
and then it can also do the complete opposite: bring complete confusion no thought overview, confusion for weeks etc.
the last part I never really experience on normal psychedelics, that confusion my mind is usually sharp, except for trouble writing coherently next day(s)
The deleriant effects can be the most fun actually, that's why I like salvia lets me try "datura" without taking datura... it was VERY convincing, I was trapped in eternity speaking to people not there and then they left I didnt think it was weird... then someone else showed up, who was not there either
it messed you up - and not a good thing if done too often, but can be fun
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: Nature Boy]
#21768886 - 06/06/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Salvia biochemically and experientially is not anything like classical psychedelics like LSD, mushrooms, or mescaline. It is more properly characterized as a dissociative. If you like mushies and mescaline and are looking for a similar experience, but shorter, DMT is the molecule you are most likely to gravitate towards.
Salvia can be terrifying, dysphoric and VERY unpleasant - possibly even injurious if you do it in large measure without a sitter. Do yourself a favor and start small and work up.
I'm fairly certain you will find the effects are not what you thought or hoped they would be, especially if you use concentrates above 10X.
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Salvia is not to be put in a line up with any other drug period
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: Connoisseur]
#21769391 - 06/06/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It seems any psychedelic is terrifying on a high dose
Mushrooms are LSD is for sure, it will take months/years to reclaim your mind ;-) Weed is for sure too
and Salvia is at a smaller dose than the rest, because it's so intense
So if you go over plain leaf, expect one hell of a ride (5x is good for beginners)
It will take you by surprise
But it is more like being in Hellraiser than a regular trip you get the pulling of the ropes, then eternity in hell, and you laugh from the sadistic pain
Trips often start like that... you get pulled by an invisible rope, almost everytime
The biggest mindfuck I used to get with it: watched my couch, but suddenly my couch was part of a wall and I was outside and THIS reality seemed unreal - I now saw a larger real reality, where this reality was only a subset of
damn that was a mindfuck, everytime that happened, it happens each time it seems
it's very much like a lucid dream that way.... you wake up in your reality, now you see that was a part of a bigger reality whether the bigger reality is an illusion or not doesn't matter here, it's pretty mindblowing
the only problem with salvia is that it is too mindblowing for me high dose LSD trips blow my mind like that, but a normal trip rarely does..
it blows the mind so much it is hard to get back, but I would imagine Datura does that too, so be careful
I cannot imagine what Datura would be like, you would see that this reality is just an automated simulation likely, random hallucinations appear and you interact with them, suddenly you are back in your childhood and reliving it - feeling everything like it was etc.
that happened with me on Salvia too iirc , so mindblowing it defies words
suppose the mindblowing part is that the mind is capable of making new universes like that, and that we could be living in a dream all our lives / automated dream, without knowing it - it seems so real
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: lessismore]
#21772696 - 06/07/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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salvia is nothing like mushrooms or lsd in my opinion
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: Nature Boy]
#21797554 - 06/12/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: ^^^^ Classic salvia trip! Congratulations for getting through it - but not necessarily getting OVER it. Those frightening and dysphoric visions stays with you for a while, don't they?
2) the scene of my bedroom, with me in it, was inside what looked like a million repetions of itself racing away with "time". Each frame was a millisecond's worth of reality racing off into the past.
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Experienced this phenomena on shrooms once. not my best trip but a learning experience for sure
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lessismore
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I can recommend watching Hellraiser after tripping Salvia, that movie makes so much more sense now .. :-)
Salvias psychedelic effects I've been nowhere near on LSD/mushrooms, not even on a heroic dose The cube opens deep on Salvia
even 5x is closer to a high/heroic dose of LSD if I could compare them, extremely psychedelic
mushrooms may take me on inner journeys, but for sure not outer journeys like I've had on Salvia like NB described, the room was no more, now I was part of a larger reality and the walls ceased, new walls came
I was no longer inside
I was outside, in the middle age / some other point in time, felt ancient felt like "the real world", and my living room felt like an illusion
my couch was part of the wall outside
there were people there, talking to me and I spoke to them - in a weird language
blew my mind, still blows my mind years after to think about it LSD has been nowhere near that not even on 10+ hits, but that can also produce realworld hallucinations you cannot see if they are fake, things in mid air i.e.
Salvia is different here, you get teleported to another reality where you can walk around and touch it/feel it with LSD/shrooms you are usually still in the room, except for inner journeys once in a while - Salvia feels like a factor 10 difference in psychedelic effect (almost too intense)
It will blow the mind of even a hardcore psychonaut, but maybe not in a good way like a few have said, you may not want to repeat it because you don't feel anything good was gained, except a blowed mind (few people report they gain worthwhile stuff from Salvia, and it takes a while to get to know it - like most other psychedelics)
I would personally much much rather Lucid Dream (www.ld4all.nl , www.dreamviews.com ) than do Salvia. I would trade 10 salvia trips for 1 lucid dream. Because lucid dreams are always worthwhile for me, even if they are really bad trips.
and funnily enough, only lucid dreams compare to a Salvia trip Salvia is very much like a lucid dream, just very little control - and that is not always a good thing
Edited by lessismore (06/12/15 01:56 PM)
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: lessismore]
#21797685 - 06/12/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im getting plain leaf. you seem to be explaining more about the extracts or something. how much do you know about plain leaf im getting an ounce soon.
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: lessismore]
#21797739 - 06/12/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Salvia is one of the best psychedelics if you like NOT being in control, if you like an asskicking trip , it will kick your ass
But plain leaves didn't work for me, doesn't work for most
It seems most people say there is reverse tolerance, so if you smoke extract, then later plain leaves will work as strong as extract, and take you out of your room, where they initially did nothing - no visuals - no effect
Plain leaves don't make most people trip it seems, but you can use them for meditation
Coincidentially I like the not in control trip when tripping with friends that I trust I dont like that alone... - can be dangerous But with friends I like trips that are wild and unpredictable instead of boring.
Salvia is just something that requires extremely careful setting, it is very dangerous to take else.
After I once fell to the ground with a sitter on Salvia I haven't wanted to smoke it alone since, and also for other reasons. Many people start to walk around on Salvia in that state, you don't know what you do while on it
So can be a dangerous game, you should always have a sitter!
(I didn't even walk around when I fell to the ground, I just sat up - Salvia will make many people fall to the ground, just watch youtube vids.... ), can be dangerous but funny too sometimes
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: lessismore]
#21797775 - 06/12/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is the loss of balance / poor coordination - that makes people fall over on Salvia, can happen even if you just sit up - and happens to many that walk around
That can be very dangerous if not having a good sitter - so you should always lay down preferably
It can be extra fun when sitting up though, if having a sitter
It's like smoking nitro, you can't stop laughing for like 5-10mins
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Re: Brief Salvia Trip Reports [Re: lessismore]
#21813454 - 06/16/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Expecting to have some tomorrow! 
I will be posting some of what happens here.
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lessismore
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Great , hope to read a trip report soon!
I would definitely recommend 5x. I would trade all my 20x for 5x I think :-)
5x is much much more pleasant, even though unpleasant too often a bit. 5x is the closest I can get to a traditional psychedelic experience. 20x is much different there, totally new and often too wild and intense
With 5x it lets me explore my room, I can walk around and the furniture morphs The furnuture starts talking to me. I become my couch and the walls, then people come that are not there etc
Very interesting, 20x just takes me out of the room , much too intense, and you cannot dose low with 20x it seems - doesnt work for me
I tried the lowest low dose (medium dose) and it still takes me out of my body
5x is great, you just need to take more than 1 hit, 2-3 hits of 30 sec each only for serious tokers ;-)
If you look for something like LSD/mushrooms , 5x would be that, it is pleasant enough to be enjoyable
20x is scary even for shamanistic psychonauts I think
You better chose between the usually recommended range from 5x-20x max. Standardized is also the way to go - if you get standardized you can trip very intensely as described here with just 5x, your room becomes a lucid dream and every furniture starts talking to you, you get time travels back to ancient times/your childhood / talk to people you know etc.
Very interesting on 5x , wouldn't mind trying that again, but not so sure with 20x - 20x only calls me once every 2-3 years it seems.
5x could be smoked once a week initially, no prob, you still felt somewhat back - not totally blown at all. Maybe it's easier to accept furniture talking to you than being out of body ?;-)
In the end I have no love relationship with any psychedelic, not even LSD that I really like, because there is usually a price for every trip, the stronger trip the stronger the price usually. Same seems to be with Salvia, so 5x is a good middleground. You can keep redosing until you find it strong enough, with 20x it takes me by surprise everytime/too strong always.
Take is as a trip, sometimes I like a wild trip, sometimes I like an interesting trip - so having both 5x and 20x could be interesting. But if I had to chose I would much rather have only the 5x than the 20x - 20x is only good for "party tripping" - trip with a few close friends. It's excellent there though, you may laugh more than in your whole life combined each time. Just beware that this strong psychedelic might not be for everyone.
I often am very very cautious about introducing any person to psychedelics, only if they ask themselves really, I would never take that chance with anyone. Salvia is the strongest psychedelic known so far iirc.
Edited by lessismore (06/16/15 11:19 AM)
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