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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: Patlal]
    #21758230 - 06/03/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

labs go through crops of test subjects, mice rats, pigeons, goats , cats, dogs, sheep, all the time. at the end of a lot of trial runs with a batch of subjects, they are euthanized. lets some one decides to take some home or out to a farm or something.


so i mean you'd need to either have a super low value of human lives or a really specific need for human test subjects, because what happens to these people when the tests are accomplished? do we euthanize them or do we pay to make like nursing homes of test subjects?


its really a more complex question than just a yes or no answer.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: Salomon]
    #21758232 - 06/03/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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labs go through crops of test subjects, mice rats, pigeons, goats , cats, dogs, sheep, all the time. at the end of a lot of trial runs with a batch of subjects, they are euthanized. lets some one decides to take some home or out to a farm or something.


so i mean you'd need to either have a super low value of human lives or a really specific need for human test subjects, because what happens to these people when the tests are accomplished? do we euthanize them or do we pay to make like nursing homes of test subjects?


its really a more complex question than just a yes or no answer.





You would HAVE to euthanize them. Otherwise it would be considered torture in every stretch of the universe.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21758239 - 06/03/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, they are born and raised in the lab, and will never that lab. When the research is done they will be euthanized.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: Salomon]
    #21758256 - 06/03/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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its really a more complex question than just a yes or no answer.




I should of just said this, basically sums up everything I was trying to say but in such a simple way :facepalm:


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 2
    #21758268 - 06/03/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok so that means we'd be essentially isolating portions of the population to be murdered just because they happen to fit the targeted genetic class for a certain test.  which is to say that we're okay with killing people who are forced into a very clinical environment for life till de decide they're too fucked to live any more.


neat, so what qualifies research to be applied on one of these human lab rats? do we breed like 50 for each new drug we synth to just dose the herd and see what happens?

once you've established that you're cool with killing humans for a cause, you're treading on the territory of the death penalty and wars, not very stable waters.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: Salomon]
    #21758287 - 06/03/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do not think we should use humans as test subjects under any circumstance, however you must understand that you cannot subject people to chemical testing which can and probably will 99 times out of 100 cause permenate harm of sorts. They don't want to suffer their entire lives because they just happened to be born in a testing lab... the point of euthanization is to end suffering. If the subject is mentally able to make the choice, they should. But if you damage one of these "test humans" to the point where they can't talk or whatever, they should be euthanize.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21758351 - 06/03/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes, they are born and raised in the lab, and will never that lab. When the research is done they will be euthanized.



But are they born, or created?
If its the latter, who would care? No one. That's who.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: TopPmz]
    #21758372 - 06/03/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That is like saying no one would care if someone was shot that you never knew... lots of people cry and shit when they hear about people getting shot. It is deeply emotional and mentally stable humans are wired to have that sort of empathy towards others.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: TopPmz]
    #21758380 - 06/03/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Alright, truth is, you can't do that.

But

Can you imagine the speed of medical advancements if we tested shit directly on humans without caring? New meds would be approved several years earlier than with the current process. Many people would be healed and survive.

There are lines you cannot cross.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21758437 - 06/03/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's no more or less moral than doing it to animals



Bullshit.  I suppose you're a vegan, too.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21758449 - 06/03/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's no more or less moral than doing it to animals



Bullshit.  I suppose you're a vegan, too.



What the fuck kind of response is that? How did you even come up with that question?


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21758453 - 06/03/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's no more or less moral than doing it to animals



Bullshit.  I suppose you're a vegan, too.



Save the attacks for a minute. I want to know your thoughts on this subject, zappaisgod.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21758458 - 06/03/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you or do you not eat meat and are you or are you not a cannibal?  There is a distinction between how we treat human and non-human animals.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21758459 - 06/03/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

thats what prisons are for.  There's plenty of people here to practice on.  Its not necessary to raise any more.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21758460 - 06/03/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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It's no more or less moral than doing it to animals



Bullshit.  I suppose you're a vegan, too.



Save the attacks for a minute. I want to know your thoughts on this subject, zappaisgod.



You can't do it.  Even a clone has the same rights as any other human.  Chimps do not.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21758466 - 06/03/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The question to ask is - if you were forced to, would you rather eat animal meat or human meat. I guarantee you will eat the animal meat, which shows you value humans more than animals.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21758473 - 06/03/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well yes.  Imma gone eat some right neow.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21758491 - 06/03/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you think raising humans for research that were created in a lab, and contained only within that lab, is a cruel and/or immoral practice?

Why or why not?




Not.
For science.
for progress
for fighting disease
It's a tube. It'll never see the light of day and if it does "moral laws" would never allow it to get concious, be it keeping it induced or never getting to that stage.

Raise it for food :lol:

To be more precise:
in-vitrofertilisation (IVF), intracytoplasmatic sperm-injection, pre-implantatgenetical diagnostics, the use of intraception & contracption, the on purpose destruction of embryos, embryoreductions and the freezing of embryos.

Are not on my moral compass.



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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21758494 - 06/03/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just as a point of interest I have seen human meat in an anatomy class.  It is fucking disgusting.  The fat distribution is very different from the animals we use for food.  We are more like geese than cows and pigs in that regard.  A lot of yellow subcutaneous fat and very little marbling in the muscle mass.


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Re: Is raising humans strictly for research cruel and immoral? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21758498 - 06/03/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you think raising humans for research that were created in a lab, and contained only within that lab, is a cruel and/or immoral practice?

Why or why not?



No.  I think we should raise severely retarded human adults in order to practice modern day medicine on them.  It's only right, I mean, they arn't rational creatures, so they have no moral rights correct?


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