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PS3...jeez,i'm glad mine hasn't fried itself yet, it gets ridiculously hot.
but yeah...if you can afford to get a top end PC that doesn't need to be upgraded for a certain number of years and keep up with tech behind video games (my general use with electronic's requiring any much power, games and movies that is) and whatnot...then of course that's the better option.
my PC is years and years now behind, it could run Crysis on medium...that's it. it's pretty garbage.
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It's really more of an enthusiast thing by the end of the day. I don't have shit else to spend money on, my hobbies are pretty few, may as well get the best I can reasonably afford. I still have my PS3, I just don't use it anymore because I know its days are numbered. I've fixed it twice by opening it up (voiding warranty and all that of course), but there comes a point where it can't be fixed anymore, and I feel like it's close to that. Sucks because I do have a console exclusive game I can't play even though I have the console and the game.
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Inocuole said: I'll say one thing about PC gamers, we're baited easily as fuck.
Lol. Yeah, and I do the baiting a lot of the time. Sorry guys, I just think its always a funny argument when it happens. I certainly understand why you are so passionate about your PC gaming, I just have no desire to venture into that realm. And you have to admit it that PC gamers always have a sense of superiority when it comes to discussing the topic. And whether the arguments are valid or not, I will always prefer my console. As stated earlier I am the target audience for consoles, and I like it that way.
Now go ahead, tell me again why I am chosing to suck as a gamer because of this. I know you are dying to.
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What if you told a ferrari owner that, compared to your Kia, their car ran like shit? They'd get all huffy about it too. People who invest in things typically don't respond well to people telling them that investment doesn't matter, even if they already have decided that it does, hence the investment.
It's a big "your opinion and preferences suck", for no reason.
People who buy nice boats, trucks, clothes, fishing poles, or pretty much anything come off as elitist to people who have lower-quality versions of the same thing. It's always "Whatever I'm comfortable with what I have" Of course you are. It's not up to anybody to sound less pretentious to people who are okay with being the lowest common denominator. If you're okay with a one-size-fits-all experience, then fine. Enjoy it. Don't have to chime in every time people want to geek out about stuff they like.
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Shroomism You can build a pretty basic gaming PC that would far outperform a PS4 for about 500-600
I'd like to do something like this then feed it money and upgrade bits as need/ as I care enough to so that the computer can nerd harder rather than dealing with consoles and their generation cycles. Game consoles are made of computer parts packaged together for you and that you have limited control over so the flexibility and options of putting my own computer together seem like a better way to go about things for me and coming from an xbox 360 the performance boost will be cool.
Any places you would suggest sourcing parts from? I'm guessing it would be cheaper to do some robot surgery and put it together myself than buying something that has been built. I assume there are some video guides around for assembling stuff.
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http://pcpartpicker.com/ is pretty good for finding the cheapest price for a given part/build, and checking out the cheapest builds to get a job done, etc.
It'll have you sourcing shit all over the place. I got most of my parts from amazon and newegg I think. They were all shipped fine and it was a breeze to throw together. Significantly cheaper than trying to find a pre-built that suits your needs. The cheaper you find stuff, the more you can throw in. Watercooling and SSDs are good investments.
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Inocuole said: I'll say one thing about PC gamers, we're baited easily as fuck.
Lol. Yeah, and I do the baiting a lot of the time. Sorry guys, I just think its always a funny argument when it happens. I certainly understand why you are so passionate about your PC gaming, I just have no desire to venture into that realm. And you have to admit it that PC gamers always have a sense of superiority when it comes to discussing the topic. And whether the arguments are valid or not, I will always prefer my console. As stated earlier I am the target audience for consoles, and I like it that way.
Now go ahead, tell me again why I am chosing to suck as a gamer because of this. I know you are dying to.
Oh, I'll have a go.
Because of keyboard and mouse being better at everything with one exception: Analog control for steering, where a wheel is better.
I have been told that back in the day, when you could play quake (3 arena) on the PS2, PC players figured out a hack to allow them to join PS2 servers, and proceeded to dominate them.
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Shroomism You can build a pretty basic gaming PC that would far outperform a PS4 for about 500-600
I'd like to do something like this then feed it money and upgrade bits as need/ as I care enough to so that the computer can nerd harder rather than dealing with consoles and their generation cycles. Game consoles are made of computer parts packaged together for you and that you have limited control over so the flexibility and options of putting my own computer together seem like a better way to go about things for me and coming from an xbox 360 the performance boost will be cool.
Any places you would suggest sourcing parts from? I'm guessing it would be cheaper to do some robot surgery and put it together myself than buying something that has been built. I assume there are some video guides around for assembling stuff.
Like Inocuole pointed out, pcpartpicker is a good place to go to throw a build together, especially for noobs as it will only show you stuff that is compatible with each other. You can throw together a pretty basic gaming PC for around $500-$600 if you budget with AMD GPU & CPU it's very doable. If you want to go with a Nvidia/Intel build it's generally going to be a lot pricier around 1k+, but worth it.
Most important is start out with a decent enough motherboard and CPU combo that will last for a long while, a good PSU.. then you can do whatever for storage and just get the best GPU you can afford, you can always upgrade that later on, as well as upgrade to SSDs / Bigger storage drives or whatever. You just need a solid foundation to start off with, so your CPU and motherboard should be your first choice.
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Dude knows what's up. ^
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akira_akuma
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that's like middle of the road noobishness and not so much noob-noob (RL noob); it's not really "what's up". i'm sure there's a lot more "up" than just that tiny shread of potentially useful information.
i want more, Shroomism. MOAR
PS: i find computers hinky when i comes to their internal maintenance and whatever other background analytics stuff is going on, when i'm playing games, and you know even the highest performing machines still contract these issues with lag and crashes, when it comes to trying to play on certain software...i dunno, i just find it all rather finicky and i HATE finicky.
i'd rather play at high frame rate, but with consoles you don't have to worry so much about day-of release crashes, bugs, errors, and whatever else have you...it's RARER on console releases.
plus, like i said, even a high performance machine can still get these really annoying hiccups that really distract from the immersion of a video game; and they seemingly come out of nowhere, i presume it's internal lollygagging from the PC having to deal with background shit along side an exe program that is essentially sucking much of the "power" (and memory) out of the computer, and making it harder for the OS to continue maintaining it's glow, especially while having the computer running for awhile, which i inevitably do.
it'd be nice to have a completely separate computer totally reserved for gaming only, and nothing else, but even then it's not "perfect". you still get these radical hiccups, which technically shouldn't even be occurring.
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Did... did you just dissect a 4 word incomplete sentence?
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i was being kinda silly. i was just thinking earlier about how like i am noob when it comes to computers but i know SOME stuff...but i know people who know alot less, so what would i call them? and i was thinking how some people are probably more knowledgeable than others, but they probably aren't like really THAT knowledgeable, they certainly aren't innovating, or if they are, they're simply doing some middle of the road innovating like making a new and slightly improved version of MySpace and calling it 'Facebook', or something...
then i wonder "who are the REALLY BIG dogs?"
cause i'm curious.
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The big dogs are the people creating the software systems and the hardware that we all use. Everybody from ol Granny "I was told this had windows but I only see a computer screen." to Geekasaurus 56-A Master Race Nerdgasm is under the people who lay out the infrastructure, really.
I assume in their free time they do shit with computers and the internet that we don't even know exists.
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yeah, i know, that's what's so interesting. like i'd love to see some data.
i'd also love to know what that lag is called, that latency between information sent and received, what's that called again? not in networking, but in the OS? surely there is some kind of queue in the procedure of it's being active, and having to actively coordinate all the various movements, of parts of internal hardware and of say a user's controlling the device, and say background programs that are essential in having the OS run smoothly or at all, ect ect
i wonder what the fuck i am talking about...it's gotta have like a name or something.
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akira_akuma said: i was being kinda silly. i was just thinking earlier about how like i am noob when it comes to computers but i know SOME stuff...but i know people who know alot less, so what would i call them? and i was thinking how some people are probably more knowledgeable than others, but they probably aren't like really THAT knowledgeable, they certainly aren't innovating, or if they are, they're simply doing some middle of the road innovating like making a new and slightly improved version of MySpace and calling it 'Facebook', or something...
then i wonder "who are the REALLY BIG dogs?"
cause i'm curious.
Recently watched the Oculus Connect 2 Keynotes from this year.
It was really interesting, because at first there are people at the level of CEO, or dealing with media, or even the head of Facebook coming out and talking about the product, how it will be marketed, matters like that.
Then there was a speech from a person involved with the coding and development side of things, and that is where it got interesting -- the topic became a matter of how the human senses interpret information, which ones work with or against each other, what methods may be able to be developed to make virtual reality seem even more real.
That's likely not even at the cutting edge of things. 
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akira_akuma said: yeah, i know, that's what's so interesting. like i'd love to see some data.
i'd also love to know what that lag is called, that latency between information sent and received, what's that called again? not in networking, but in the OS? surely there is some kind of queue in the procedure of it's being active, and having to actively coordinate all the various movements, of parts of internal hardware and of say a user's controlling the device, and say background programs that are essential in having the OS run smoothly or at all, ect ect
i wonder what the fuck i am talking about...it's gotta have like a name or something.
Matters of latency at the level of interface is actually another big challenge of VR -- trying to make it so that things respond with an immediacy and accuracy that they remain convincing and immersive.
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akira_akuma said: yeah, i know, that's what's so interesting. like i'd love to see some data.
i'd also love to know what that lag is called, that latency between information sent and received, what's that called again? not in networking, but in the OS? surely there is some kind of queue in the procedure of it's being active, and having to actively coordinate all the various movements, of parts of internal hardware and of say a user's controlling the device, and say background programs that are essential in having the OS run smoothly or at all, ect ect
i wonder what the fuck i am talking about...it's gotta have like a name or something.
There's input lag, people complain about that more than most other kinds. Other than that you have read and write speed on the disc, RAM speed, processor speed, and I believe your motherboard can also bottleneck your speeds too if it sucks. Tons of factors for the latency of any given thing.
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thanks Innoc and Shroomism. Ive been looking at pcpart picker so far this http://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/115693-fallout-4-or-bust-build without the monitor is looking the most realistic to me at this point. Maybe with a small storage drive for now. Its somewhat daunting looking at all the options and prices for different pieces and trying to determine performance and performance/cost. Working on convincing myself that the $150+ price difference between a computer and console will be worth it when my 4+ year old laptop finally shits out (completely).
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ahh i see, thanks for helping clear that up a bit for me. bottlenecking is i think the term i was looking for.
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Recently watched the Oculus Connect 2 Keynotes from this year.
It was really interesting, because at first there are people at the level of CEO, or dealing with media, or even the head of Facebook coming out and talking about the product, how it will be marketed, matters like that.
Then there was a speech from a person involved with the coding and development side of things, and that is where it got interesting -- the topic became a matter of how the human senses interpret information, which ones work with or against each other, what methods may be able to be developed to make virtual reality seem even more real.
That's likely not even at the cutting edge of things. 
Matters of latency at the level of interface is actually another big challenge of VR -- trying to make it so that things respond with an immediacy and accuracy that they remain convincing and immersive.
information theory/philosophy is really interesting. i honestly find it more interesting than blowing up mutants...i'd like to see some elements of gaming like that be implemented more into mainstream gaming. but you know, it's only subtly going to be implied maybe in the next coming years of gaming, but i hope when i am a little older these things might be more popular...what i mean is...the instance of processing (having to process data, or NOT process data, in a particular way, in order to proceed in a game environment) which is sort of independent from video games as of yet, with some minor exceptions...look at Paper's Please...that game is excellent, and all it is is a simulation of working a border office in a country adjacent to an enemy state, and having to admit, or not admit individuals as they pass, to avoid terrorists, and other such economic/political controversy.
it's a game based on real-life, only in a fictional setting and with fuddy-duddy pixel graphics. but thing is it's not only fun, in it's design, but holy unique in dealing with information processing and theory/philosophy.
or look at Boson-X...the game is ABOUT computer information philosophy at CERN, and it's an awesome platformer, requiring good skill, perception, and patience.
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Dude, don't trust any builds geared for fallout 4 before fallout 4 launches. If you went by the recommended requirements though you would guaranteed be golden, they're way overshot. I have an i5-4690k rather than the recommended i7, but I think it'll be fine.
I recommend an intel CPU every single time. I have just not enjoyed using AMD'd offerings in that department For GPU you can choose NVIDIA or AMD, but as it stands, amd cards are like brute force cards and a lot of stuff seems to be optimized for the nvidia ones, which are obviously more expensive. I think for the money, you could go either way and be in the same boat more or less. I would say for FO4 you should get something around as powerful as a GTX 970 or greater. The AMD equivalent has a fuckton more VRAM, or so I understand. I tried a 960 and it was such an inbetween. You could turn stuff to ultra but it would dip under 60 regularly. If you capped at 30fps a 960 or equivalent is probably perfect, but, if you get even a taste of higher framerates you won't be able to go back so easily. The 970 is a smooth ride for Very high/ultra 1080@60. I hear the R390 or R390x are pretty damn beastly though, and at a much better price to power point than the GTX 980.
Try not to settle for anything though, because then you'll have upgrade fever and might spend way more than you would've if you just splurged once.
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they can't just make it simple. the have to come out with new hardware all the damn time and most of it is either cheap 'consolation cards' or these brute force 'meant to carry you until next generation' cards, that are quite literally being shot out of ass at an extraordinary rate.
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