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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: ToTheSummit] * 1
    #22489248 - 11/07/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I would like to get a pc so I'll be able to play this how much would that cost to do? Guesses are fine I havent looked up the prices of the components and I'm not asking anyone to but I would like to hear some estimates. It would be a desktop (without a monitor) at minimum run specs or recommended specs.

Can't wait to play this game....... at some point when I can buy the hardware to do so.



Just go buy a console.  Its your cheapest option and you know it will work.




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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: mndfreeze]
    #22489375 - 11/07/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you download it on steam or direct from bethesda?

I purchased mine on steam this morning and I dont see any way to tell if I can pre-load it, or if it will do it automagically, or what.  It shows in my library but has its release day listed.




All PC copies go through steam.  I think that's the only form of DRM on em.  I'll leave it until I get tired of it, then I'll just crack the fucker so I can stop opening steam.

This is making me itch for a 980ti or a titan x or some shit though.  I can only overclock a 970 so much..


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: Inocuole]
    #22489461 - 11/07/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Should i buy this through steam or at a store? I see alot of people praising steam, whats the perk?

And i just read the game will be xbox controller compatible with pc, so all i need is a wired controller i take it? that sounds like it would be pretty sweet.


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: Anahata] * 1
    #22489481 - 11/07/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well if you buy it at a store you're still going to have to download a good amount of it through steam so.. you may as well save yourself a trip to the store.  The disc will still make you create a steam account.  The perk is that you can access all your games without physical copies, from any computer that you can log in on with your steam info, and they're a hugely successful company so it's highly unlikely that anything will happen to prevent you from playing them.  Either a wired xbox controller (360 or One), or a wireless one, and a USB wireless receiver for it.

I use a wii u pro controller connected via bluetooth.  Doesn't really matter if you use a crappy logitech controller or whatever, it's PC. :shrug:


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: Inocuole]
    #22489646 - 11/07/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Steam is a huge pain in the ass.  I want to pay for this game, but the usage of Steam and their bullying makes me consider bootlegging it...  (My experience is having my account locked for a reason I still do not know why, losing access to all of my games, and having to wait 2 months for a simple response to remedy the situation.  At the drop of a hat they can take all your purchases away and you have no recourse.)


For the first time in a while I now doubt my computer's ability to play a new game on max graphics settings....  Darn it...  Ill probably come close.

CPU: Intel Core i7, 4790K, overclocked watercooled
RAM: DDR3, 8x2=16GB, PC3 15000 (1866 MHz)
GPU: Two R9 290s, overclocked watercooled

I am guessing that my GPUs will be my bottleneck, if I do have a bottleneck.  What do y'all think?


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: DieCommie]
    #22489735 - 11/07/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You wont have a bottleneck with that setup.
R9 290s are a little older now, but they are still high end performance cards.. about in between a GTX 770 and GTX Titan in terms of GPU performance.
You'll be totally fine.


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: Shroomism]
    #22489969 - 11/07/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Max settings FTW!


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: DieCommie]
    #22490023 - 11/07/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Anybody know when the nvidia drivers for it are gonna drop?

Also:



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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: SludgeCity]
    #22490270 - 11/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

PC gamers...you're all alike.  Kinda like the Nazis of gamers, believing you are the master race and everyone else is inferior.  I have no idea what 90% of what you guys talk about even means.  Graphics cards/GPUs/MGHZ/Memory...its all greek to me. But I can plug in my console and it works every time.  My computer is really nothing more than an internet portal, and thats all I want it to be.  Unless you are a complete computer nerd PCs suck ass for gaming.  Deal with it.

Oh wait...you have an extra bush next to that building in the background!?  OH THE HUMANITY!!!! MY LIFE IS RUINED!!
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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #22490421 - 11/07/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Cool.

I didn't know there were console trolls here too.

Enjoy your 30fps with drops into the low 20s.  I'll be playing the exact same game with more detail and better input response. :shrug:  Don't understand why anybody would be proud of eating out of Sony or Microsoft's hand.


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: Inocuole]
    #22490468 - 11/07/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i didn't think you'd stoop so low as to eat out of the hands of Nvidia or ATI...wow, dude, that's disgusting.

at the very least, jokes aside, at least Sony and Microsoft have some exclusive titles, that for all intents and purposes should preform at just same rate of exchange as most all other titles, because i dunno...i figure people just 'like video games'.

i know...crazy right?


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: Inocuole]
    #22490524 - 11/07/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Well if you buy it at a store you're still going to have to download a good amount of it through steam so.. you may as well save yourself a trip to the store.  The disc will still make you create a steam account.  ...




This was my reasoning.  Actually refunded my physical preorder and went with Steam when Bethesda announced I would have to download anyway.

With Steam, my copy is already preloaded and ready to go the moment the game launches.

If I had got the disc, I would have had to wait until the store opened a good 12 hours after launch, then wait another 12-16 hours to download the content.

If the disc isn't going to contain the full data, cannot really justify the disc copy. :shrug:


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22490542 - 11/07/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Are we really gonna have this debate though?  I thought anyone who owned a console understood that any given non exclusive aside from fuckups like arkham knight(which is the worst of its kind), would generally run better on PC, given the hardware?  I mean, they call PS4 and Xbone "Next gen" but they look like PC graphics from early PS3 days.  Then we have:

-Backwards compatibility forever.  Games from '97 run just fine.
-Ability to upscale older games so they still look nice (Ever try playing PS2 games after having a PS4?)
-Most multiplats and a fuckton of exclusives (in b4 bloodborne/the last of us/red dead redemption)
-CAN upgrade, but no need to.  No situations like  "Oh no all devs are making games for PS5 now, and I still have a PS4".  I can play FO4 on the same PC I played FO3 on when it came out, if I want.
- Have you fuckin seen 1440p and 4k?
-Have you fuckin seen 60fps or 120fps?
- Emulation with upscaling (see PS2 comment)  Can play PS2, gamecube, wii games at 4k resolution instead of their native 480p.  Most of them still look pretty good this way.
- If it's broke it's your fault and you can do something about it, vs the alternative


If this comes across as "nazi like", or pretentious, it's because consoles are probably perfect for you.  You're probably the target audience, which means you don't like having to know about hardware, you don't like changing your graphics settings to optimize it for how you like to play, you like your computer to just be an "internet portal", and you don't like doing anything but putting in a disc and starting a game.  (not that clicking an icon is harder)

If that stuff is true what is the problem with people enjoying what they like?  I like configuring shit.  I like stuff to look the best it can.  I like for my eyes not to hurt from framerate drops.  I like being able to interact with the game files.  I like modding.  I like picking my own controller.  I like all that shit you can do on PC.  If you don't like it, just don't get a gaming PC.  Don't have to say it "sucks ass for gaming" when it objectively doesn't.  Consoles don't suck ass for gaming if that's what you're into.

If you have any points to make besides "I like how I do stuff better than how you do stuff" then I'd be glad to hear them, but I think that really covers it.

Bethesda games in particular are just objectively better on PC.  There's really no way around that.


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: Inocuole]
    #22490581 - 11/07/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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PC gamers...you are the master race and everyone else is inferior.  I have no idea what 90% of what you guys talk about even means...But I can plug in my console...Deal with it.
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Yeah, this is pretty much what consoles arguments against PC sound like.
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Enjoy your 30fps with drops into the low 20s.  I'll be playing the exact same game with more detail and better input response. :shrug:  Don't understand why anybody would be proud of eating out of Sony or Microsoft's hand.




PC gamers talk about concrete advantages over console gaming, console gamers talk about how console is superior due to a lack of comprehension on how to maintain and run computers.

Making the jump from console gaming to PC gaming was the best choice I made.  Getting to experience Fallout 4 the way it was meant to be experienced, then getting more flexibility with mods later on, is going to go great. :awesomenod:

I can respect that there are people who do not feel they can afford or understand PCs, but when people try to paint console gaming as superior or PC gaming as somehow being terrible, it always gives me a laugh, because I used to do it myself.
Console gaming is kind of like looking back at pictures from high school and going "why did I think that was a good idea at the time." :lol:


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: ToTheSummit] * 1
    #22490616 - 11/07/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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i didn't think you'd stoop so low as to eat out of the hands of Nvidia or ATI...wow, dude, that's disgusting.

at the very least, jokes aside, at least Sony and Microsoft have some exclusive titles, that for all intents and purposes should preform at just same rate of exchange as most all other titles, because i dunno...i figure people just 'like video games'.

i know...crazy right?




If we're going that route.. PC has FAR more exclusive titles.
Also I can play "console exclusives" on my PC.. so they aren't that exclusive are they?

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PC gamers...you're all alike.  Kinda like the Nazis of gamers, believing you are the master race and everyone else is inferior.  I have no idea what 90% of what you guys talk about even means.  Graphics cards/GPUs/MGHZ/Memory...its all greek to me. But I can plug in my console and it works every time.  My computer is really nothing more than an internet portal, and thats all I want it to be.  Unless you are a complete computer nerd PCs suck ass for gaming.  Deal with it.

Oh wait...you have an extra bush next to that building in the background!?  OH THE HUMANITY!!!! MY LIFE IS RUINED!!
:ohgodpleaseno:




The PC master race thing is a joke

But in all seriousness, PC gamers are so adamant about it because of the numerous REAL advantages it offers over consoles in a variety of ways.

1. Far higher performance / capabilities. You can just upgrade your PC if you want to play the latest games.
New game comes out for the new PS4? Oh sorry you have to buy a brand new console.
That's like if you had to buy a brand new PC every 2 years or whatever.
Most people just build a decent PC and upgrade the video card every couple years, then maybe the motherboard / CPU every other couple years when it becomes obsolete.

2. Consoles are always a generations or five behind PCs in graphics. Sorry but that's just the facts of the situation. When consoles were all still rocking DX9 games, PC already had multitudes of titles in DX11 with much higher capabilities.
Consoles are always going to be limited by the hardware the manufacturer puts in them.
The games are "chopped up" and downgraded in graphics so they can run on the limited hardware in said consoles.
PCs do not suffer from this problem (UNLESS the game was DESIGNED for consoles and then gets ported over to PC)

Many PC games are designed to be able to be cranked up to the most ridiculous settings, as long as you have the hardware to support it. You may scoff at an "extra bush".. but it's FAR more than that in most examples. The difference is NIGHT and DAY in many cases of games on PC graphics vs those same games on console. But if you want to sacrifice quality for perceived 'ease of use', that's cool.

3. I turn on my PC and it works every time, without fail. I've had it overclocked to shit and I leave it running 24/7 as well, and I've been running it this way for about 4 1/2 years. I'm not sure what you're talking about with your console works every time, like that's some special feature.. my PC works every time too.
However, if something DOES break on my PC... I would have it fixed by the end of the day. I don't have to "send it in".

4. PC does everything. I can play multiple games at once (yes, I do play multiple games at once). Have 50 internet tabs open, be working on some photoshop shit in the background, maybe have Ableton open in the background with another project, and be downloading a slew of torrents all at the same time. Who wants to do that? Me.. I'm a multitasking maniac. Console does not afford me that luxury.

5. MODDING games - has been an INTEGRAL part of the PC gaming community for MANY YEARS.. even back in the Doom era, it really took off in the Unreal Tournament era. The ability to mod games has been a key aspect of PC gaming for all this time, which adds infinite replay value to some games, breathes new life into old games, and allows players to participate in and brings things to games they wish to see. Countless games have been created BECAUSE they were based off a popular mod, and were liked so much people wanted to make a full game out of the mod. This has been a large part of whats made PC gaming so popular and successful.
Unfortunately, consoles all this time had no access to mods of any kind. I truly feel sorry for people who were stuck with playing vanilla Skyrim on a console. On a PC skyrim looks so much better, and the ability to mod it opens it up to a whole new world.
It's good that with Fallout 4, console users will FINALLY get access to some mods. But they won't be the ones creating the mods.....

6. Speaking of backwards compatibility... can your PS4 play games from 1995 and 2015? No? My PC can...

7. My PC serves as a console replacement as well.
Sometimes I miss playing old console games I knew and loved. I looked into buying an N64 and SNES and all the accessories and all the games I knew and loved.. and while the nostalgia factor would be great... my total bill was nearing like $600 to get everything I wanted.. those games aren't much cheaper now than in the 90s, or the same.
I just said fuck it, bought a USB N64 and SNES controller, and downloaded all those games on ROMS. Instead of spending $600... I spent $20.. and got the exact same experience.



Now I just play all those N64 and SNES games on my PC- in glorious 1080p resolution ---- with the same game controller as the console.
If I wanted to, I could play Wii/Wiiu, PS2/3 games, XBOX, and soon PS4 games as soon as there's an emulator. You name the console.. I can probably play that consoles games on my PC. "Console exclusives" don't mean very much, when you can download an emulator and play those games on a PC.
Conversely, that is not even possible on a console. You cannot download a "PC emulator" and play PC games on a console.

So in reality, my PC is EVERY console ever made, in addition to being able to play any PC game.

PS4 costs what... like $400 at the base? You can build a pretty basic gaming PC that would far outperform a PS4 for about 500-600, in addition to providing ALL the above features as well as more. So why would you want to limit yourself?

Now I'm not trying to get in a pissy fight here, we all have our preferences.
But to say PC's suck ass for gaming is just :rofl:
PCs are the masters of gaming.


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: Shroomism]
    #22490625 - 11/07/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'll say one thing about PC gamers, we're baited easily as fuck.

Also my PS3 died twice.  That was the last straw.


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #22490694 - 11/07/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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PC gamers...you're all alike.  Kinda like the Nazis of gamers, believing you are the master race and everyone else is inferior.  I have no idea what 90% of what you guys talk about even means.  Graphics cards/GPUs/MGHZ/Memory...its all greek to me. But I can plug in my console and it works every time.  My computer is really nothing more than an internet portal, and thats all I want it to be.  Unless you are a complete computer nerd PCs suck ass for gaming.  Deal with it.

Oh wait...you have an extra bush next to that building in the background!?  OH THE HUMANITY!!!! MY LIFE IS RUINED!!
:ohgodpleaseno:




I ain't hating...  Gaming from the couch with a controller on a console that doesn't need part upgrades has its benefits.  Gaming at a desk with a keyboard and quality hardware is good too.

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Unless you are a complete computer nerd PCs suck ass for gaming.




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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #22490721 - 11/07/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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PC gamers...you're all alike.  Kinda like the Nazis of gamers, believing you are the master race and everyone else is inferior.  I have no idea what 90% of what you guys talk about even means.  Graphics cards/GPUs/MGHZ/Memory...its all greek to me. But I can plug in my console and it works every time.  My computer is really nothing more than an internet portal, and thats all I want it to be.  Unless you are a complete computer nerd PCs suck ass for gaming.  Deal with it.

Oh wait...you have an extra bush next to that building in the background!?  OH THE HUMANITY!!!! MY LIFE IS RUINED!!
:ohgodpleaseno:




I ain't hating...  Gaming from the couch with a controller on a console that doesn't need part upgrades has its benefits.  Gaming at a desk with a keyboard and quality hardware is good too.





You know what else is good?  Hooking your PC up to your TV and playing PC games from the couch with a controller, or a mouse and keyboard. (low latency wireless is great here)

I'm using Shroomery on my TV from my couch, on my PC, which I will also be playing FO4 on, from the exact same spot.  If that's not the bees knees then just shoot me now.


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: Inocuole]
    #22490788 - 11/07/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If we're going that route.. PC has FAR more exclusive titles.
Also I can play "console exclusives" on my PC.. so they aren't that exclusive are they?




what do you mean?

PC has alot of exclusive titles too...i'm not saying PC sucks or anything. :shrug:

but yeah, i dunno if you can play console exclusives on PC, not at all, but maybe i'm missing something here.

oh you mean emulators? yeah...

my mine issue with PC gaming is the cost. :shrug: to run a PS3 emulator must be a pain in the ass, not to mention a resource hog. you'd need to have a top of the line PC, recently purchased upgrades i'd assume.


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Re: Fallout 4 [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22490851 - 11/07/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

PS3 emulators actually don't exist yet.  That cell processor (the one that frequently melted its own connection to the board by getting so hot), is difficult to emulate, even with infinite processing power.  Hard to say how PS4 compares.  People say the x86 architecture of the current gen of consoles would help make that easier, but they also said that would make porting easier and for some devs, it obviously hasn't.

Emulators go up to PS2, Gamecube, Wii, and that's about it.  I hear there's a wii U emulator in the works.  I don't know of any exclusives for the last two gens of consoles that I'm really interested in though.  With my luck the one I'd be interested in would be the same one that'll run like shit.

It just doesn't feel like winning when I have to buy a console for one game that I want, you know?  I inevitably will have to at one point I'm sure but I don't look forward to it.


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