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2nd flush question
#21756738 - 06/03/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi, I just harvested my first flush on a 66qt monotub. My questions are: If I am going to dunk my tub do I leave the liner and bottom half of the bag in the tub? Also if I have 3% peroxide, how much should I add to the water to kill any possible contams?
Thanks for reading and any input☺.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21756771 - 06/03/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no peroxide and leave the liner.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21756773 - 06/03/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A heavy misting works just as well as dunking it IME. I personally wouldn't use peroxide either, as it could help, mycelium can defend itself from contams by itself usually.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21756788 - 06/03/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can mist heavily your tub few times a day untill it rehydrates. And you do not want to add any peroxide in water. It will burn mycelium!
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Achillita]
#21756790 - 06/03/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok thanks....so no peroxide, also will misting work ok if I harvested 7 oz dry from the first flush? My sub is quite a bit smaller...lol
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21756800 - 06/03/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't add peroxide to the water, if you're fully colonized, your sub will be very resistant to contams. Only use peroxide for cobweb mold. Some can be added to the perlite water for humidification to keep out nasties ime with no consequences to your sub, but that's if you're doing a SGCF.
You can dunk your tub easily without removing it. Place long sticks across your sub through the bottom holes you made for FEA. I use two pieces of a broken broom handle personally because I make the holes big enough to get a finger or two through. This will hold the sub down and keep it from floating too much. Then fill the bin with water on a gentle stream down the side of the sub until water pours out the holes (I like to use the bathtub for all this). Keep the water running so it doesn't sit still, and drain completely after an hour or two. Pull the sticks out, replug with poly, and back into fruiting.
Hope this helps Happy Growing
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Myconin]
#21756837 - 06/03/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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works great too! How big was first flush?
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Myconin]
#21756841 - 06/03/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok great....I will go ahead and dunk it. Side note, what do you guys think about taking a couple quarts of colonized wbs, and using some old yogurt or sour cream containers with a few holes and poly at the level of the grain, and one in the lid. This will be without a casing, seeing as I dont have any on hand. Do you think this will work or no?
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21756845 - 06/03/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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First flush was just under 2000 g wet , just ov3r 7 oz dry.(Thanks to all the help from everyone here) All pretty small fruits.....hoping for some monsters on the second flush lol.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21756861 - 06/03/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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tbayOn said: Ok great....I will go ahead and dunk it. Side note, what do you guys think about taking a couple quarts of colonized wbs, and using some old yogurt or sour cream containers with a few holes and poly at the level of the grain, and one in the lid. This will be without a casing, seeing as I dont have any on hand. Do you think this will work or no?
You won't need a casing with cubes ime, and they'll grow in almost any container that has conditions dialed in.
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tbayOn said: First flush was just under 2000 g wet , just ov3r 7 oz dry.(Thanks to all the help from everyone here) All pretty small fruits.....hoping for some monsters on the second flush lol.
Gongratz Nice job!
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Myconin]
#21756893 - 06/03/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks....ya I was more than happy lol..And I will give the containers a shot maybe today lol.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21756958 - 06/03/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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tbayOn said: Ok great....I will go ahead and dunk it. Side note, what do you guys think about taking a couple quarts of colonized wbs, and using some old yogurt or sour cream containers with a few holes and poly at the level of the grain, and one in the lid. This will be without a casing, seeing as I dont have any on hand. Do you think this will work or no?
yes but add bulk sub. straight grains dont pin well at all. if its a small container no need for polyfill just treat it as a cake fruited from the top.
wowimflabbergasted did something similar a while back.
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So if I dont put bulk sub I fruit it like a cake, or I should use bulk sub? lol
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21757036 - 06/03/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have seen grows done straight out of the jar.....would this not be the same?(using a container instead of a jar)
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spacechildo said: add bulk sub

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tbayOn said: I have seen grows done straight out of the jar.....would this not be the same?(using a container instead of a jar)
depends what's in the jar. for grains, add bulk. pf cakes fruit fine on their own.
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Ok thanks....I guess it wil have to wait till tomorrow then haha.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21757100 - 06/03/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Myconin's broom handle idea is pretty solid! Unfortunately I use glued on ironed Poly filters that I can't remove. An alternative that works for mine is filling up old milk jugs with water and laying them on top of the sub, on their side. This anchors them down enough so it doesn't float up when filling the tub.
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stareatclouds said: Myconin's broom handle idea is pretty solid! Unfortunately I use glued on ironed Poly filters that I can't remove. An alternative that works for mine is filling up old milk jugs with water and laying them on top of the sub, on their side. This anchors them down enough so it doesn't float up when filling the tub.
Yeah, if you can't remove your filters, then you'll have to weigh it down somehow without damaging the sub. What do you do about water in the FAE filters though? If they get wet, it's a nesting ground for nasties.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Myconin]
#21757169 - 06/03/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no need to weight it down really, bulk subs arent as solid as cakes so just pour some water on and wait 2-4 hrs then drain well!
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Myconin]
#21757186 - 06/03/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So yes the broom handles worked wonders lol.....I still had to lightly pour water on the sub a couple times because the sticks floated to the top of the holes, making the top of the sub higher than the water. Maybe in retrospect I should have made a couple weights to get the job done. Unless pouring the water lightly over the sub ruined it, it seems to have gone well, and is re-hydrated. Thanks for all the guidance
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spacechildo said: no need to weight it down really, bulk subs arent as solid as cakes so just pour some water on and wait 2-4 hrs then drain well!
Mine always float ime lol. Perhaps it's my ingredients: WBS spawned to coir with gypsum. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I've honestly never given it much of any thought.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21757219 - 06/03/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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tbayOn said: So yes the broom handles worked wonders lol.....I still had to lightly pour water on the sub a couple times because the sticks floated to the top of the holes, making the top of the sub higher than the water. Maybe in retrospect I should have made a couple weights to get the job done. Unless pouring the water lightly over the sub ruined it, it seems to have gone well, and is re-hydrated. Thanks for all the guidance
Did you re-hydrate long it enough ? Everyone seemed to say let it hydrate for 2-4 hours. Your thread is barely 2 hours old
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Myconin]
#21757230 - 06/03/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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it doesnt matter if it floats IME, just pour water on top and down the liner. the sub block will drink and transport the water it needs in 2-4 hrs. just remember to drain well. some even rinse the block afterwards but...
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Tuff_Guy2]
#21757274 - 06/03/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mine always float ime lol. Perhaps it's my ingredients: WBS spawned to coir with gypsum. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I've honestly never given it much of any thought.
My ingredients are wbs spawned to coir/verm.
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Did you re-hydrate long it enough ? Everyone seemed to say let it hydrate for 2-4 hours. Your thread is barely 2 hours old
I re-hydrated for just about 2 hours, I dunked right away lol. I didnt want to go too long as i have already misted heavily for a couple days lol
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21757291 - 06/03/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I read that any stumps that are left after harvesting will be eaten by the mycelium, in your experience does this hold true? And if so what about pins/aborts?
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Myconin]
#21757332 - 06/03/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Myconin said: Yeah, if you can't remove your filters, then you'll have to weigh it down somehow without damaging the sub. What do you do about water in the FAE filters though? If they get wet, it's a nesting ground for nasties.
I don't go above them as my sub is always a bit lower than the bottom of them. Also I'd probably just spray them with Lysol in any case and let them dry out. I'm pretty sure they have to get a little wet with all the moisture rolling down the sides of the tubs anyway?
Also my subs always float like a motherfucker.
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Myconin said: Yeah, if you can't remove your filters, then you'll have to weigh it down somehow without damaging the sub. What do you do about water in the FAE filters though? If they get wet, it's a nesting ground for nasties.
I don't go above them as my sub is always a bit lower than the bottom of them. Also I'd probably just spray them with Lysol in any case and let them dry out. I'm pretty sure they have to get a little wet with all the moisture rolling down the sides of the tubs anyway?
Also my subs always float like a motherfucker.
Lysol works ime too, I always have that shit on hand
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21759488 - 06/03/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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tbayOn said: I read that any stumps that are left after harvesting will be eaten by the mycelium, in your experience does this hold true? And if so what about pins/aborts?
I don't personally do it, but some people here cut their shrooms at the base to harvest. They swear that the mycelium recovers just fine in most cases. Personally, I know from cloning that tissue from inside the stem will recover onto agar, cardboard, even grains from some reports. If tissue from the stem recovers on those mediums, it's logical to think that it will recover on it's own home mycelium colony (aka: your substrate).
Any shroom-cutters out there want to pop in here and verify this?
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Myconin]
#21759610 - 06/03/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well when you put it that way lol. I cut a few at first then started to twist and pull.(the clusters were too dense, and I had just bought a sweet pair or pruning scissors haha) I guess I can let you know in the next couple days, kind of already looks like the mycelium is eating through the stumps. But thanks for the input anyway☺. Sounds logical to me.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21759644 - 06/03/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you clone your mushrooms? If so, is it very difficult? I was thinking about trying it just for the experience. I also read up on 9er stem cloning tek with a blender, seems interesting.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21759724 - 06/03/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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tbayOn said: Do you clone your mushrooms? If so, is it very difficult? I was thinking about trying it just for the experience. I also read up on 9er stem cloning tek with a blender, seems interesting.
9er's blended stems tek works well for most people. I personally prefer to clone with cardboard. I understand agar is superior, no question. I've not been able to find agar where I live an I detest ordering things over the internet. So, I use cardboard out of simplicity and convenience, not because it's the best.
Ime, cardboard is not a good host for many contams, so my tissue can colonize it when it's moist with relative ease. You can still cut wedges and apply to grains, attempt strain isolation, etc.
In conclusion, there are many great teks on this site for cloning, all having their pros and cons. Look through them, choose one that fits your project, and have at 'er. Cloning and strain isolation is one of the most rewarding aspects of this hobby imo
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: Myconin]
#21760469 - 06/04/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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stem butts is just mycelium 
for cloning you can just put a young pin right on agar, or rip up a bigger fruit in a sab and take inner stem tissue to agar.
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tbayOn said: I read that any stumps that are left after harvesting will be eaten by the mycelium, in your experience does this hold true? And if so what about pins/aborts?
I don't personally do it, but some people here cut their shrooms at the base to harvest. They swear that the mycelium recovers just fine in most cases. Personally, I know from cloning that tissue from inside the stem will recover onto agar, cardboard, even grains from some reports. If tissue from the stem recovers on those mediums, it's logical to think that it will recover on it's own home mycelium colony (aka: your substrate).
Any shroom-cutters out there want to pop in here and verify this?
i always cut mushrooms to harvest and mycelium recovers just fine
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: PFFFT]
#21761611 - 06/04/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great....thanks a bunch guys
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21761675 - 06/04/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It looks like the mycelium is recovering quite well, guess time will tell.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21763689 - 06/04/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does this look healthy to you guys, or should I give it the toss?

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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21763799 - 06/04/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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more pics would help.what are those yellow spots?
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21763862 - 06/04/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those yellow spots are grain from the bird seed I would assume(I don't know if this is normal or not...to stir up grains from harvesting lol). I only have a few pics, if they aren't good I will have to grab some more in the morning.

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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21763995 - 06/04/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks pretty dry. Imo it's still fine. Just keep it shimmering wet 24/7 by light direct misting. No pooling water, as that's a breeding ground for bacteria.
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Mad Season said: Looks pretty dry. Imo it's still fine. Just keep it shimmering wet 24/7 by light direct misting. No pooling water, as that's a breeding ground for bacteria.
it should be fine untill second flush.just rehydrate it.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: PFFFT]
#21764362 - 06/05/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It looks like you ripped the sub up when harvesting or didn't mix and break up your sub together good enough initially.
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Great....I will spray away lol. Thanks Ya I ripped up the sub pretty good, was harvesting at 3 am. (That and it was my first time lol) I am going to try cutting on the next flush if its not too dense to get snips in.
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Re: 2nd flush question [Re: tbayOn]
#21773175 - 06/07/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have one more question, kind of off topic. Would it work if someone were to spawn wbs into small containers of coir/verm, then once those are colonized spawn again into another larger container with more coir/verm? Or would that just be a waste of time? Im just trying to figure out if this will cut down colonization times for a smaller ratio of spawn. Thanks
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