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PsiloSeaBean
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Less intensity of shrooms grown by my own
#21756320 - 06/03/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
I searched on the board but didn't find a topic which is similar to my "problem".
I've grown my own cubensis mushrooms (brasilian) and used the "casing-method". Everything went really well and I got a yield about many many grams of mushrooms.
Yesterday I planned a mild trip by eating fresh mushrooms, because the trip I did before wasn't successful (used the 'Jelly-method' from this board but boiled the mushrooms too long).
For this mild trip, yesterday I ate 12 grams of fresh mushrooms and expected something very comfortable and smooth. I can confirm that it was comfortable, very peaceful and relaxing but not trippy at all. I relation to cubensis mushrooms (mazatapec) I used from a ready-to-grow box this was not as strong at same dosages.
Are mushrooms becoming weaker after opening their hats? Is it better to use more mushrooms in the young-state before hat-opening?
Or is it possible, that I did something wrong while growing? Could it be, that the mushrooms I grew are some kind of weak in comparison to other cubensis shrooms?
Thank you very much for your answers
Edited by PsiloSeaBean (06/03/15 11:34 AM)
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: PsiloSeaBean]
#21756389 - 06/03/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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First up you dont "breed" shrooms.. I assume you grew them from MS. There are many factors at play here most likely is using MS.
Secondly psilocybin breaks down at around 162F. Boiling would destroy any effect you may have had. I use a meat thermometer from this purpose.
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: Jeff Vader]
#21756713 - 06/03/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry was a mistake in translation. English is not my motherlanguage.
I understand your second point and recognized the fault after boiling, but fresh mushrooms should be mostly potent, aren't they?
I'm sorry but what is MS?
Edited by PsiloSeaBean (06/03/15 10:00 AM)
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: Jeff Vader]
#21756731 - 06/03/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jeff Vader said: First up you dont "breed" shrooms.. I assume you grew them from MS. There are many factors at play here most likely is using MS.
Secondly psilocybin breaks down at around 162F. Boiling would destroy any effect you may have had. I use a meat thermometer from this purpose.
boiling wont harm anything!! it would have been genetics as its multispore. you just didnt win the lotto this time. try again with same strain and things could be totally different. like night and day.
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: mustangbob3]
#21756860 - 06/03/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said:
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Jeff Vader said: First up you dont "breed" shrooms.. I assume you grew them from MS. There are many factors at play here most likely is using MS.
Secondly psilocybin breaks down at around 162F. Boiling would destroy any effect you may have had. I use a meat thermometer from this purpose.
boiling wont harm anything!! it would have been genetics as its multispore. you just didnt win the lotto this time. try again with same strain and things could be totally different. like night and day.
Thank you very much. I will give them another try by growing or use the dried ones in higher dosages, which I've stored after all these flushes. I can't claim they weren't pleasant, but some kind of weak 
Maybe it's the substratum, which is not able to produce enough psilocybin after all these flushes. (Currently it's about the 6th or 7th flush on the same substratum).
Or, like you said the genetics of the strain, which wasn't proper this time :/
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: PsiloSeaBean]
#21756956 - 06/03/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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potency can even vary from flush to flush on the same sub. more so with multispore as different genetics can be fruiting at different times ect
if you need to have consistently strong shrooms then im sure 1 of the pros can advise you on agar work and isolation 
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Edited by mustangbob3 (06/03/15 11:03 AM)
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: mustangbob3]
#21756987 - 06/03/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, nice to know. Thank you
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: PsiloSeaBean]
#21756993 - 06/03/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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your very welcome
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: mustangbob3]
#21756998 - 06/03/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grow some pe ,fruit it in cold temp with a thick casing to make a longer consolidation.when you'll try it an 8th will make you shit bricks 
And yes isolation if you wanna have equal guaranteed Psylocibin content but it's not neccesary
For your less potent shroom batch you have right now you could just eat more
Edit: typo and another advice :p
Edited by Jean-guy Masta (06/03/15 11:16 AM)
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
#21757985 - 06/03/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jean-guy Masta said: Grow some pe ,fruit it in cold temp with a thick casing to make a longer consolidation.when you'll try it an 8th will make you shit bricks 
And yes isolation if you wanna have equal guaranteed Psylocibin content but it's not neccesary
For your less potent shroom batch you have right now you could just eat more
Edit: typo and another advice :p
Thanks for the advices. I will give them a further try first and then I will change the way I prepare the casing-method. So far, thank you
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms bred by my own [Re: PsiloSeaBean]
#21758539 - 06/03/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just to say, 12 grams of fresh mushrooms are considered to be about 1.2g dry. That's a very low dose of mushrooms anyway, and so isn't likely to be trippy on its own. I doubt theyre bunk by any means, just try having a 30g dose/3g dry with them and see how you go.
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms grown by my own [Re: PsiloSeaBean]
#21758870 - 06/03/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PsiloSeaBean said: Hey guys,
I searched on the board but didn't find a topic which is similar to my "problem".
I've grown my own cubensis mushrooms (brasilian) and used the "casing-method". Everything went really well and I got a yield about many many grams of mushrooms.
Yesterday I planned a mild trip by eating fresh mushrooms, because the trip I did before wasn't successful (used the 'Jelly-method' from this board but boiled the mushrooms too long).
For this mild trip, yesterday I ate 12 grams of fresh mushrooms and expected something very comfortable and smooth. I can confirm that it was comfortable, very peaceful and relaxing but not trippy at all. I relation to cubensis mushrooms (mazatapec) I used from a ready-to-grow box this was not as strong at same dosages.
Are mushrooms becoming weaker after opening their hats? Is it better to use more mushrooms in the young-state before hat-opening?
Or is it possible, that I did something wrong while growing? Could it be, that the mushrooms I grew are some kind of weak in comparison to other cubensis shrooms?
Thank you very much for your answers 
12 gms fresh is a pretty low dose unless you have above average potency, and mostly that even if you do. "Trippy" would be a rare occurance at that level, but feeling it as a kind of low buzz type thing wouldn't be. If your grow is from MS though potency varies fruit to fruit, so eating small amounts gets you the losing ticket sometimes. Time to harvest matters for two reasons - after the veil tears the fruit has as many actives as it's gonna, so pick just as the veil tears; and after it reaches maximum actives they start to degrade slowly, so again, pick just at the peak. 
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Maybe it's the substratum, which is not able to produce enough psilocybin after all these flushes. (Currently it's about the 6th or 7th flush on the same substratum).
That is definitely a factor IME.
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms grown by my own [Re: PsiloSeaBean]
#21759347 - 06/03/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe it's the substratum, which is not able to produce enough psilocybin after all these flushes. (Currently it's about the 6th or 7th flush on the same substratum).
That is definitely a factor IME.
This. Probably after 3 or 4 flushes, you can toss it. When you try again, start fresh, don't wait for another flush.
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms grown by my own [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#21759762 - 06/03/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Penis ENvy!!!! And i dont mean the strain. It's what happens when we grow shrooms ourselves and they hardly compare to the last batch we bought. All I can suggest is to isolate and try them once youve isolated on some agar.
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Re: Less intensity of shrooms grown by my own [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#21934404 - 07/12/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe it's the substratum, which is not able to produce enough psilocybin after all these flushes. (Currently it's about the 6th or 7th flush on the same substratum).
That is definitely a factor IME.
This. Probably after 3 or 4 flushes, you can toss it. When you try again, start fresh, don't wait for another flush.
Thanks for the hints. I will try them once again with friends when the next fullmoon rises. The amount will be about 2 g dry. All those mushies I've harvested (even after all these flushes) are going to become blue after touching like hell. I think this is a very good sign that there must be still enough psilocybin/psilocin to make us fly 
Just the dose seemed to be the "problem" last time.
I'm very excited for this next trip, because it will be the highest dose I've done, yet. The preparations are going to start just now
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