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Offlinebigbitch
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shatter degrading to crumble *DELETED*
    #21756284 - 06/03/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: bigbitch]
    #21756315 - 06/03/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It decarbs at more like over 200f
It happens. There are contaminants in your concentrates that are causing the buddering. Just whip it all up...


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble *DELETED* [Re: Kazak]
    #21756325 - 06/03/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: bigbitch]
    #21756332 - 06/03/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It definitely isn't the solvent I'm talking about (although I doubt your homies shatter is testing at 0ppm butane). That is fairly easily removed. I'm talking more about whatever foliar sprays were used on the plants while growing.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: bigbitch]
    #21756342 - 06/03/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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bigbitch said:
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Kazak said:
It decarbs at more like over 200f
It happens. There are contaminants in your concentrates that are causing the buddering. Just whip it all up...



edit: ohh and whip it all up?  Are you saying if I take my original product in a warm room, and quickly whip it with my dabber for minutes, I can stop it from future degredation, by whipping it up? 




Nah


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Kazak]
    #21756352 - 06/03/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It definitely isn't the solvent I'm talking about (although I doubt your homies shatter is testing at 0ppm butane). That is fairly easily removed. I'm talking more about whatever foliar sprays were used on the plants while growing.




Damn that's crazy.  Thanks for answering the different products, degrade at different speeds, question.  If anybody else can chime in and back this dude up, that would be cool.  It's just crazy that "foliar sprays", can make your dabs budder up in week.  That's a big difference in stability, compared to some stuff still being pretty shatter, months later.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: bigbitch]
    #21756380 - 06/03/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Or its contaminants in the butane. What the gas suppliers say is clean isn't always clean.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Kazak]
    #21756439 - 06/03/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Or its contaminants in the butane. What the gas suppliers say is clean isn't always clean.




hmmm.  That's still really crazy that some contaminants can make it degrade.  THe butane made sense to me.  I read this online recently"  If you have any experience making oil, you know that a color change in clear oil is a wax matrix forming from leftover solvent. This oil was under purged to begin with. He left it in his car, which created uneven temperatures, most likely warm ones. The top of the oil stays cooler than the oil on the inside of the slab, or the bits touching the warm glass. Butane attempted to work its way out of the product when it was warm, failed due to the difference in surface tension, and whipped itself."

That makes sense to me, because butane is a solvent  with crazy properties.  However,  I would think some butane contaminants, or plant contaminants, would just yield a contaminated product, not make it degrade quicker.  I don't know anything about this though, so I'm assuming you're right.  I just am having a hard time fully believing it.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: bigbitch]
    #21762643 - 06/04/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bump.  I hope you all don't mind the bump, I just wanted to hear more in depth answers on storage.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: bigbitch]
    #21762713 - 06/04/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have standard Hemp Seed Oil and it must be refrigerated once the bottle is opened or the oil will quickly go rancid.

Maybe you should try refrigeration next time.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Browser]
    #21762731 - 06/04/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It wasn't dewaxed(winterized)


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #21763600 - 06/04/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

From the people I get dab from, they say it's strain specific.

Some strains will butter up faster in similar conditions than others.

I store anything over a gram in the freezer, otherwise I'm smoking on it. A gram last me about 3 days these days.

Interested in seeing if anyone who actually blast chimes in here to perhaps explain the process a little more throughly.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #21766458 - 06/05/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It wasn't dewaxed(winterized)




kudos, I now remember an old legit buddy telling me about it waxing up, from the plant fats and waxes.  I did not even think of that.  I will try winterizing some next time, and see how quick it degrades.  I've winterized before, but it seems I got to warm the alcohol to get it to dissolve good.  I would hate to warm it too hot. 

The strain specific info is interesting too, maybe specific strains, have more plant fats and waxes.  Any other info on heat or air would be appreciated, otherwise, i'll let this thread die.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #21766530 - 06/05/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It wasn't dewaxed(winterized)



Doesn't have to be


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Kazak]
    #21766743 - 06/05/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All shatter will turn toobudder over time. Unless its dewaxed. Yes certain straind hapen faster than others.
But, you shouldnt smoke shatter, its not a finished product, the wax is the finished product, that you make from shatter. Shatter has fats and lipids that arent good to inhale.

  On that note, shatter wont budder up if there is 0zeroO moisture in the weed when you make it, if its raining outside when You make it, it will budder up. From moisture in the air. NEVER put shatter or hash or weed in the freezer, especially shatter, it will cause it get moisture in it and turn it to budder. If a peice of condensation falls into hash when making it, shitll budder up.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble *DELETED* [Re: whitelights]
    #21767202 - 06/05/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: bigbitch]
    #21767720 - 06/05/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It seems that, thus far, no agreement has been reached.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: healing]
    #21768185 - 06/05/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if the bud is not completely dry when its made into oil, itll wax up. even if it is sealed, just condensation from coming out of the freezer will get in there.

  im telling you, we made oil with some stuff not completely cracker dry, it buddered up in two/3 weeks every time. moisture will cause things to budder up. temps above 130/140 in oven makes crumble, 97-107/108 makes pull snap, or sap(what most people call shatter) you can de wax that or put the oven at 125/130 for wax, 140 for a short time will turn it to crumble.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: whitelights]
    #21769162 - 06/06/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lol you're so close its humidity not temp or heat. My last batch of shatter turned crumbly really quick cuz a few drops of water went in my pyrex dish. :frown:


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Element1]
    #21770383 - 06/06/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Point is... It can be a number of factors


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Kazak]
    #21771157 - 06/06/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Im not close im spot on you obviously didnt read my posts.

  I said the moisture im the air(humidity) weed or otherwise gets into the hash, it wil budder up over time.

The temp it sits at, probably doesnt hurt/help. But, freezing it will cause moisture, even if you think those bags are really air tight.

The temps its made in the oven at has everything to do with what product you get, likr i already stated above.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: whitelights]
    #21771160 - 06/06/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And your all going to argue with me, only to have someone irl or here tell you the same thing in a month or two and your totally going to agree with them, i know how it goes.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: whitelights]
    #21772485 - 06/06/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, so much misinformation here. It certainly doesn't budder because it wasn't dewaxed or is full of contaminant. It's a process of nucleation that makes the "budder" structure. Here's a good article

http://www.hightimes.com/read/shatter-vs-wax-whats-difference


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: Godfather1376]
    #21779773 - 06/08/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah it doesnt budder up because its not dewaxed, but it will budder up if its not dewaxed. Also what causes this nucleation process, i mean thats chemically how it hspprns, but what causes it? Moisture.


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Re: shatter degrading to crumble [Re: whitelights]
    #21781278 - 06/08/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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