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AstralHippie
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Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir
#21755901 - 06/03/15 02:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This monotub is wbs in coir, and these pins have been showing for about a week and a 1/2. All of those tiny white knots are potential pins, and the pins that have formed look grayed and unhappy. I am concerned that the entire tub has stalled, and I was wondering if any of you kind fellows have any advice. I am also concerned with that blue patch, formed after misting one time.





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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: AstralHippie]
#21755992 - 06/03/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks funky to me. That gray isn't normal.
Is there any kind of smell in there? Sweet maybe?
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I'm pretty familiar with the sweet smell of contamination, and this one smells of good myc or freshly opened jar. The gray is more blue than the pictures let on, similar to bruising.
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: AstralHippie]
#21757041 - 06/03/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks stressed out. You only need to mist when the sub looks dry (not glistening with moisture) and only fan after each mist to disperse the water. Too much water can lead to stress and bacteria. It'll still fruit, just cut back on the misting, and if it still looks super wet, consider taking the lid off for a time each day to encourage evaporation.
Hope this helps
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Myconin]
#21757054 - 06/03/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would it be excessive to take the top off and put a fan on it?
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: AstralHippie]
#21757082 - 06/03/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The fan is excessive imo, removing the top isn't. Do you know the ambient RH in your home/grow room? As long as it's lower that the RH inside the bin (and it should be ), water will evaporate out. Just let it happen naturally
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Myconin]
#21757116 - 06/03/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It looks too dry as it is
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Ghatti]
#21757120 - 06/03/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ghatti said: It looks too dry as it is
I'd disagree. I saw some nice glistening in some of those pics. Although, OP, you should try to use a better camera next time if you can the images are a little fuzzy. It'll help everyone here help you.
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Ghatti]
#21757389 - 06/03/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ghatti said: It looks too dry as it is
bruising like that is a sign of drying out. It actually looks retardedly dry. Bottom holes have to be stuffed tight as fuck. Top can be damn loose. Fan on low on the other side of the room facing away. Make sure to LIGHTLY mist directly. I mist a foot above the lip of the tub and let it fall evenly across the surface until it's glistening wet with no pooling water
Edited by Mad Season (06/03/15 01:19 PM)
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Myconin]
#21757398 - 06/03/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Myconin said:
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Ghatti said: It looks too dry as it is
I'd disagree. I saw some nice glistening in some of those pics. Although, OP, you should try to use a better camera next time if you can the images are a little fuzzy. It'll help everyone here help you.
My mistake, I saw the glistening before but not the bruising (get a better camera ) Yes, I agree with Ghatti and Mad Season.
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Myconin]
#21757646 - 06/03/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's retardedly dry even when moisture can be seen on the surface? It is almost like it is having trouble absorbing.
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: AstralHippie]
#21757664 - 06/03/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes. It's not evenly hydrated. The valleys may have moisture but the peaks need to be shimmering wet. This is why we try to make the substrate flat when spawning.
It needs to get misted evenly and more often. Holes probably need adjusting too.
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Mad Season]
#21757679 - 06/03/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, looks like the substrate was prepared on the dry side, and the moisture wasn't enough to sustain fruit growth.
You can try dunking your tub... that may help...
Does your tub feel light when you pick it up? How much water did you use when mixing your bulk substrate? I know with Damion's 5050 tek, I use a gallon of water with the brick of coir and 3 qts of verm.
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Mad Season]
#21757693 - 06/03/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ah, I was afraid misting would stall the pins/knots forming. I used a gallon, been told the verm water ratio is generally 1 to 2 so two quarts of verm and 4 of water with a brick. Some better quality pics.




Edited by AstralHippie (06/03/15 02:57 PM)
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: AstralHippie]
#21757702 - 06/03/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just lightly mist it until everything is shimmering and fan it until the pins are dried off a bit. It won't do any harm 
Nice pinset 
Just keep it properly hydrated and it'll recover
Edited by Mad Season (06/03/15 02:58 PM)
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Mad Season]
#21757713 - 06/03/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So, just to clarify, I should mist about 2-3 times a day and maintain a glisten all throughout the pin formation?
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: AstralHippie]
#21757718 - 06/03/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I normally only need to mist once a day. Just mist when it looks a little dry. Not really a time schedule that's why I never really told you how many times to mist. Just to mist when it isn't glistening anymore lol
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: Mad Season]
#21757799 - 06/03/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry to keep asking, but this is immensely helpful. Do you think a dunk is unnecessary then? Considering the lackluster moisture content, I'll definitely dunk after the first flush, but is it necessary before/will it disrupt the pin set?
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Re: Question Regarding Slow Pin Growth on Coir [Re: AstralHippie]
#21757825 - 06/03/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd just mist it until after first. I wouldn't disturb the pins too much
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