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OfflinePsilocybinPsycho1
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Fake Dealers
    #21755269 - 06/02/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So me and a friend have bought some bunk police tester kits to take with us to a festival for the good of our group and some thoughts have come across my mind. I have for most of my life been weak minded and rarely stood up for myself, but now here we are many years and experiences later and I have come to a point where bullshit is no longer tolerated. People have been dying at festivals and much of it is due to much of the dealers selling their product as something it is not. I'm not a confrontational person and mainly one of the chillest people you'd likely meet but a part of me wants to grill these people that try to sell something like bath salts as MDMA.
I guess what I'm looking for is your guys input on what you would do in those situations? I'm thinking a fake dealer would likely look for ways to weasel out of getting it tested in the first place, but if I go through with the testing in front of them and it turns out sour I'm going to have a hard time not getting angry. It's easy to just shrug them off and move on, but if no one starts scaring these people they are going to continue killing people with their poisons.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: PsilocybinPsycho1]
    #21755305 - 06/02/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What else can you do except punch them in the throat and administer some anti-MDVP vigilantism?


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: PsilocybinPsycho1]
    #21755306 - 06/02/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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PsilocybinPsycho1 said:
So me and a friend have bought some bunk police tester kits to take with us to a festival for the good of our group and some thoughts have come across my mind. I have for most of my life been weak minded and rarely stood up for myself, but now here we are many years and experiences later and I have come to a point where bullshit is no longer tolerated. People have been dying at festivals and much of it is due to much of the dealers selling their product as something it is not. I'm not a confrontational person and mainly one of the chillest people you'd likely meet but a part of me wants to grill these people that try to sell something like bath salts as MDMA.
I guess what I'm looking for is your guys input on what you would do in those situations? I'm thinking a fake dealer would likely look for ways to weasel out of getting it tested in the first place, but if I go through with the testing in front of them and it turns out sour I'm going to have a hard time not getting angry. It's easy to just shrug them off and move on, but if no one starts scaring these people they are going to continue killing people with their poisons.





What happens when the fake dealers are lied to and they really think they are selling a good product?

It is a complicated situation.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: PsilocybinPsycho1]
    #21755311 - 06/02/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We need more people like you to save us from things like this.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21755341 - 06/02/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that's definitely a possibility then again in this day and age where its possible to figure that out it's irresponsible for them to sell something they have no clue about nor have not tried themselves at the least. If I were given a sheet to sell you'd bet your ass I'd be finding out that it was the real deal before I put it on the market. I feel most of these fake dealers know exactly what they are doing and have no care for anything except the money they are making and taking advantage of peoples' ignorance.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: PsilocybinPsycho1]
    #21755378 - 06/02/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, either the dealer had no idea his product was fake and you did him a huge favor. Or, the dealer knew and is just going to try and sell it to the next chump. All you can really do is let word get around about it and warn people not to buy from him.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: OsculateOfDemise]
    #21755408 - 06/02/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We can all agree that..

If you are at a festival, people are going to be on drugs.  Police should be out checking and arresting people either willingly or stupidly selling drugs known to kill or cause damage..

There should just be well established dispensaries at EVERY festival selling what ever you want..


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: PsilocybinPsycho1]
    #21755410 - 06/02/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think education is key to preventing more injuries. If we can teach people how to spot fakes and make testing methods more readily available then these dealers wouldn't make money and eventually they would give up.

Its really frustrating how some people act so reckless towards another human's life but you can only beat so many of them. Thanks to groups like the shroomery we can educate millions! I think if you really want to make a difference you should rally support on here to start a subforum under The Psychedelic Experience dedicated to detecting frauds, test kits, and safety alerts on dangerous products found.

Keep safe and educate :thumbup:


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21755484 - 06/02/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah the education is going to be quite important. I used to be one of the kids that would trust what someone sold me as being exactly what they said it was and I've had some troubled nights because of it. So far I think I'm just going to make situational calls on what I say and do. I remember being at one festival where a guy was selling lollipops with "LSD" on them and also some Dead Bear blotters and did some really sketchy advertising with tester kits and said "Do you think they guy selling tester kits is gonna lie to you?" Long story short he basically had a large group of people looking to beat his ass because many people had a rough night that night and the festival was small enough to find people. He dipped out before the group caught up with him though.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: PsilocybinPsycho1]
    #21755747 - 06/03/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'd say a decent percent of people selling MDMA don't know what they're selling. The term Molly has become a name for any drug that brings Euphoria.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: Magicman69]
    #21755771 - 06/03/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd say a decent percent of people selling MDMA don't know what they're selling. The term Molly has become a name for any drug that brings Euphoria.



Qft. Every person ive asked if they know if their molly is pure give these same few responses.

My guy tested it.:facepalm:

Its supposed to look like(describes whatever they have right there):facepalm:

I dont really care, as long as it gives me a good high i got my money's worth.

Honestly though at least the last one is relatively honest though. This is why i simply don't fuck with powdered drugs. At least acid you can always take one hit and taste test (until some tasteless rc comes on the scene). I feel like with blotter there isn't any risk(unless the hit is huge, which i wouldn't bother with if it was) with 1 hit.

I couldn't imagine a lethal dose of any rc fitting onto a normal size blotter. Does anyone know if this is possible? To get a lethal dose on one hit? If so though, you'd be the worlds dumbest drug dealer.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21755779 - 06/03/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Doesn't matter if it's lethal or not. If you say it's acid it better damn well be acid. Shit pisses me off to no end.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: PsilocybinPsycho1]
    #21756127 - 06/03/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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PsilocybinPsycho1 said:
Yeah the education is going to be quite important. I used to be one of the kids that would trust what someone sold me as being exactly what they said it was and I've had some troubled nights because of it. So far I think I'm just going to make situational calls on what I say and do. I remember being at one festival where a guy was selling lollipops with "LSD" on them and also some Dead Bear blotters and did some really sketchy advertising with tester kits and said "Do you think they guy selling tester kits is gonna lie to you?" Long story short he basically had a large group of people looking to beat his ass because many people had a rough night that night and the festival was small enough to find people. He dipped out before the group caught up with him though.



What goes round comes round more often then not in the drug world. You can't stay in buisiness long scamming people. Honestly a lot of people dying from rcs at fest assumes that it's pure mdma and all the literature and pop culture tells them the "Molly" is safe(which isn't entirely untrue) but people think they can dose really high and do it because they assume it's pure. A lot of deaths in that respect can be attributed to deadly dehydration which is fatal with mdma and more so with its analogies. Bad dealers are always tricky to deal with but imo just spreading the word about someone scamming usually puts an immediate halt in the circles of buying. People do sort of investigations on statements sometimes in my community. That doesn't happen very often though.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: PsilocybinPsycho1]
    #21756142 - 06/03/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If your not confrontational then why would you want to go around testing people's drugs. If you or a friend are going to buy some say, "yeah I want to test it first". Obviously if it's not what it is said to be you don't buy it; but honestly there's not much more you can do. Bringing attention to someone selling drugs is a big no in the first place.

The term molly is a joke. It was a way for someone to just sell RC's as MDMA. Instead of having the pressed rolls they got the pure RC powder and were like yo this is pure MDMA. I knew this guy who openly sold his Molly as Mephedrone and people kept buying it. He even claimed it was mephedrone. I know some MDMA analogues that still come up as MDMA on those tests as well.

If your going to try to be some advisers you need to make sure the audience even cares. I'm sure most on this site care what they get but the majority of people will not. I've learned this from experience while calling out over a handful of people. You will just look like a hater.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: Gorlax]
    #21756215 - 06/03/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I got my hands on some methylone [Fake Mdma] and honestly it had the same effects of MDMA but was more Mild. Unlike molly hitting at once out of now where, methylone creeps up slowly you can feel it coming. Only differences I noticed was, Its less intense you can control it better, the high lasts 2-3 hours and the come down is also Mild. You cannot redose on Methylone it simply does not work.

Carrying a test kit around is a good Idea and you should always test it when getting it from a new or unknown source. I personally wouldnt be mad at the "Fake dealer" because chances are his connection is the "Fake Dealer". Test it, if its not good, tell him peace.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: OsculateOfDemise]
    #21756267 - 06/03/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Well, either the dealer had no idea his product was fake and you did him a huge favor. Or, the dealer knew and is just going to try and sell it to the next chump. All you can really do is let word get around about it and warn people not to buy from him.



If I was buying wholesale volumes to retail I'd damn sure be testing for 2 reasons.
1 To avoid being ripped off.
2 To not get a reputation of selling bad product.
If I Drop a couple grand on a supply I'd better damned sure be getting what I paid for. :psycrankey:


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21756388 - 06/03/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

anyone who lets you test their shit either doesn't know what they have, or knows exactly what they have. 

I hope you've been practicing your karate chops.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: teamkiller]
    #21756484 - 06/03/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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anyone who lets you test their shit either doesn't know what they have, or knows exactly what they have. 

I hope you've been practicing your karate chops.



That's a dumb statement. Drugs are just a business just like anything else. If I was selling MDMA I'd want the dealers buying off me to be assured they are getting what they pay for. If I screw them  I'm sure they would be happy to go down the street to the next guy Who will give them what they are paying for.  There are  ethics in drug dealing too. Why
do you think Moonshiners proofed Whiskey? You try to sell me substandard or fraudulent product puts me at risk and my reputation as well. And  as far as the karate chops I'm free to get up nd walk away If they don't wan't their shit tested. That would be a huge red flag.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21756499 - 06/03/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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MikeBearPig said:
If you are at a festival, people are going to be on drugs.  Police should be out checking and arresting people either willingly or stupidly selling drugs known to kill or cause damage..

There should just be well established dispensaries at EVERY festival selling what ever you want..



Yeah I agree with this, legalize all drugs and jail misrepresenters of drugs.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21756710 - 06/03/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

teamkiller said:
anyone who lets you test their shit either doesn't know what they have, or knows exactly what they have. 

I hope you've been practicing your karate chops.



That's a dumb statement. Drugs are just a business just like anything else. If I was selling MDMA I'd want the dealers buying off me to be assured they are getting what they pay for. If I screw them  I'm sure they would be happy to go down the street to the next guy Who will give them what they are paying for.  There are  ethics in drug dealing too. Why
do you think Moonshiners proofed Whiskey? You try to sell me substandard or fraudulent product puts me at risk and my reputation as well. And  as far as the karate chops I'm free to get up nd walk away If they don't wan't their shit tested. That would be a huge red flag.



You have a good fashion old school form of ethics that I like to see


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: PsilocybinPsycho1]
    #21756720 - 06/03/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

my personal opinion is they should be cracked in the face, but its not worth going to jail over or being sued over.  Laugh and walk away.  Or make a scene and yell that he is selling fake drugs.


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Re: Fake Dealers [Re: MagicRico]
    #21756723 - 06/03/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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MagicRico said:
I got my hands on some methylone [Fake Mdma] and honestly it had the same effects of MDMA but was more Mild. Unlike molly hitting at once out of now where, methylone creeps up slowly you can feel it coming. Only differences I noticed was, Its less intense you can control it better, the high lasts 2-3 hours and the come down is also Mild. You cannot redose on Methylone it simply does not work.

Carrying a test kit around is a good Idea and you should always test it when getting it from a new or unknown source. I personally wouldnt be mad at the "Fake dealer" because chances are his connection is the "Fake Dealer". Test it, if its not good, tell him peace.





Methylone sucks bro and is way cheaper so your getting ripped off, if you want to pay the right price for it that's fine but there not even close to the same in my book. I've had pure MDMA last for 6-8 hours peeking for at least 3 hours straight.


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