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Offlineinvitro

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Whats the issue with cacti and moss?
    #21754297 - 06/02/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've heard from a few different people warning about trichs and spaghnum moss.  I wanted to plant some dragon fruit cuttings and moss is what I have available.  Can anyone elaborate on what the issue is?


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Re: Whats the issue with cacti and moss? [Re: invitro]
    #21754330 - 06/02/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What exactly is it that you have heard?


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Re: Whats the issue with cacti and moss? [Re: Eagerhunter]
    #21754339 - 06/02/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Probably the fact that it retains a lot of moisture.

Trichs and dragon fruit are very forgiving,and can take lots of water,so I'd use it.


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Re: Whats the issue with cacti and moss? [Re: invitro]
    #21754378 - 06/02/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Trout said something about ow it harbors bacteria, it's been a while since I read his book (notes), but I don't think he gave much detail.


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Re: Whats the issue with cacti and moss? [Re: invitro]
    #21754570 - 06/02/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've used peat moss for an in ground trichocereus plot located  on the sunny side of the house because I couldn't find coco coir. When it rained the perlite floated to the the top because floating is perlites kyrptonite. which left us with a swamp and no cactus on the sunny side. The cactus on the sunny side ended up in 15 gallon pots because only peat moss and natural soil remained after we cleaned the perlite up.

If I used peat moss I'd mix it with atleast half perlite.

At your local sand company you can possibly pick up turface which is the medium they lay on baseball fields. Turface has been reported better than perlite.


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Re: Whats the issue with cacti and moss? [Re: JayZ Morgan]
    #21754575 - 06/02/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Trout's work is kind of a joke. I would not put too much stock in it.


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Re: Whats the issue with cacti and moss? [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21756438 - 06/03/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bacteria?, Fungus?.. some of those things form cooperative relationships With the plant.

Sterile media is really only essential when possibly starting newly rooted cuttings (from water or gel), and when starting seed. (as some seeds are picky about germination, with regard to what kinds of bacterias and things help start them off in life.).. Some plants like Proteas from Africa, and Australia are in fact super hard to germinate without the minerals and chemicals found in (smoke). Anyway, the most important thing I can say about soil, is research what kinds of native soils your plant grows in. Does it come from a cloud-forest? Like some Trichos, and can stand a kind of soil that has some organic matter. . . or is it one that comes from the open desert, with high mineral gravel? Cacti can be very finkey, about flowering with regard to soil mixes. Some kinds of cacti, also will not bloom real well without having a good ratio of organic material along with the mineral-gravel.

Best thing I can say is read up and research the species you have, the environment they come from, and what they enjoy growing on (best). Trichos, are fairly forgiving as cacti go. I just had 2 days of rain, with my largest 2 Pachanoi plants outside in it drinking up the water. Peat is not a BAD choice. It just tends to be a bit acid in the PH, which is ok for things like Blueberry and huckleberry plants..However for other things you might need to ammend the soil, with some sand, and maybe some agricultural-lime/crushed limestone.


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Re: Whats the issue with cacti and moss? [Re: invitro]
    #21757124 - 06/03/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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invitro said:
I've heard from a few different people warning about trichs and spaghnum moss.  I wanted to plant some dragon fruit cuttings and moss is what I have available.  Can anyone elaborate on what the issue is?




Spaghnum moss is different from peat moss. 

Spaghnum moss retains to much moisture for most cactus to safely thrive in it worry free. Normal peat also will retains moisture but its harder to rehydrate after its gone dry, which is probably why coir is more popular. Coir is also more sustainable.

If you choose to use it, cut it well with something else like stated above.


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