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    #21754195 - 06/02/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I've done pretty well with pf cakes and decided it was time i transitioned over to mono tub type grows.

Ive done one bulk sub grow but it just wasn't exactly what i expected so i wanted to go bigger.

I had a 3 pound rye berry spawn bag of PE so i decided this was finally time to do it.
I started with a 66 qt tub and followed the tek that made the most sense( can't remember which one at the time).
Went with a 1:2 ratio with hpoo and straw mixture and let the colonization begin!
day 5:


The first signs one mycelium appeared in about two days and took around ten days to fully colonize.
I chose to not cover the mono tub at all and the tub received 12 to 12 light cycle from day one from from indirect sunlight coming into the room from two windows.

day 7:


day 9

After full colonization i put the tub into fruiting and cased with a thin layer of coco coir, verm, lime and gypsum.


After two days I'm starting to see mycelium poking through, does it need to colonize the casing before it pins or does it usually start poking through the casing layer?



Also any tip or advice on what to do better would be greatly appreciated as I'm still getting used to the whole bulk grow side of things.


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21754817 - 06/02/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Let it do it's thing :thumbup: It'll fruit in a few days.


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Re: PE montub [Re: Myconin]
    #21754833 - 06/02/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Let it do it's thing :thumbup: It'll fruit in a few days.




Awesome! Will do!


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21754902 - 06/02/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:raisemyglass: ur golden


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21754906 - 06/02/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Np, just be sure to mist if the sub gets dry, and only fan when you mist to disperse the water.

Setup looks great imo :thumbup:


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Re: PE montub [Re: sooperdooper]
    #21754912 - 06/02/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:vibin::kaneclap:


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Re: PE montub [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21755059 - 06/02/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:raisemyglass: ur golden



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:vibin::kaneclap:



I appreciate the replies guys! & I'll make sure I do that Myconin.

I'm going to update this with pics as the process moves along.


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Re: PE montub [Re: Myconin]
    #21755256 - 06/02/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Let it do it's thing :thumbup: It'll fruit pin in a few days weeks.




Fixed.


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21755346 - 06/02/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your pic of the colonized bulk substrate looks awesome.

Your casing layer is going to encourage full colonization (with the coir) ... so that will set you back a number of days until it colonizes.  ...

The bulk substrate mycelia will have a chance to really digest the food and consolidate .... should work out really nicely.

Sometimes, even a 50/50 casing layer (peat and vermiculite) will fully colonize.  it bums me out because it adds time to a slow PE schedule and the colonization defeats the casing layer purpose: to absorb and evaporate moisture.

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Re: PE montub [Re: uncle_rico]
    #21756234 - 06/03/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Your pic of the colonized bulk substrate looks awesome.

Your casing layer is going to encourage full colonization (with the coir) ... so that will set you back a number of days until it colonizes.  ...

The bulk substrate mycelia will have a chance to really digest the food and consolidate .... should work out really nicely.

Sometimes, even a 50/50 casing layer (peat and vermiculite) will fully colonize.  it bums me out because it adds time to a slow PE schedule and the colonization defeats the casing layer purpose: to absorb and evaporate moisture.

good luck to you





I was debating whether to case or just put it in directly into fruiting conditions, but it has since started to pin even from yesterdays last picture.
I figured PE takes a little longer anyway so i might as well add a casing layer to help maintain moisture and RH.


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21757854 - 06/03/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

imo PE doesn't do near as well uncased...so u did good:stoned::thumbup:

other varieties i never case...


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Re: PE montub [Re: sooperdooper]
    #21758009 - 06/03/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:bananahorsey:


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Re: PE montub [Re: Subnet Mask]
    #21758214 - 06/03/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Untape the liner from the tub....you want it to stick to the sides of the substrate...if it doesn't then it defeats the entire purpose of the liner.


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Re: PE montub [Re: PussyFart]
    #21758242 - 06/03/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

indeed, liners are not about light at all, clear liners work just as well.


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Re: PE montub [Re: PussyFart]
    #21758355 - 06/03/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Untape the liner from the tub....you want it to stick to the sides of the substrate...if it doesn't then it defeats the entire purpose of the liner.





Okay, i appreciate that.. will do!


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21761358 - 06/04/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So the tub has been in fruiting since Saturday and so far I only have two pins-_-

Am I just being over anxious about it & need to be more patient or am I doing something wrong?

The casing laying is a lot more colonized that previously so I'm guessing it could pin any day now, just looking for some input.





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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21761423 - 06/04/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It always starts with 1 or 2 :wink:


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Re: PE montub [Re: Mad Season]
    #21761593 - 06/04/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It always starts with 1 or 2 :wink:





Yeah true, I guess I was just expecting a bunch of them in a dense pin set.
This is my first mono tub but I can't help but wana try to get the kind of harvest you guys do.


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21761620 - 06/04/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Patience. This is your first one. Walk before you run :thumbup: You've got more pins on the way :mushroom2:


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Re: PE montub [Re: Myconin]
    #21762063 - 06/04/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Patience. This is your first one. Walk before you run :thumbup: You've got more pins on the way :mushroom2:




Thats good advice, i think its the fact that this is my first mono and I'm just really excited to see how it turns out haha.
Anyway thanks for the input guys, ill update as soon as it happens!


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21774969 - 06/07/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Update: mono has been in fruiting for a week now and I'm finally starting to see the kind of pin sets I've been expecting.
I loosened up one of the top poly fill holes (barely in the hole at all) so as to increase the FAE available to the growing pins and they have since taken off.




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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21775023 - 06/07/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't have any poly in my top holes. I might have to mist sometimes here and there on some that had low hydration, but overall everything always looks way healthier.


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Re: PE montub [Re: Mad Season]
    #21775053 - 06/07/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't have any poly in my top holes. I might have to mist sometimes here and there on some that had low hydration, but overall everything always looks way healthier.




I've noticed people doing this a lot with there mono's, i think I'm gonna go ahead and try it out. i don't mind misting once in a while.


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21776599 - 06/07/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you live in the US Mountain West and it's winter (05% humidity), you will dry things out.

Here, it is 50 - 70% humidity and an average 75 degrees F, so you can really open things up.  FRESH AIR EXCHANGE for healthy fruits and a clean healthy substrate.

Hydrate your substrate properly and mist as required.  I would rather err on the side of too dry, than too wet.

Lots of air solves many problems.  Stale, moist air is death.


fresh air is good.

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Re: PE montub [Re: uncle_rico]
    #21776603 - 06/07/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Uncle rico, were those grown outdoors? Inquiring minds must know. . .


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Re: PE montub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21776637 - 06/07/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Monotubs.  Outdoors. in the shade, protected, in a light breeze .....


It's the way to go if your conditions permit.

sorry, op.  I just love to show that handful of PE

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Re: PE montub [Re: uncle_rico]
    #21776641 - 06/07/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you :hatsoff:


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Re: PE montub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21776676 - 06/07/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

at your service, my friend
yes, those clone culture fruits were very uniform



you can grow various varieties.  FAE always is good


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    #21776686 - 06/07/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah ya got me jelly. I have only once had outdoors work for me. Was during the one week of decent rain we got all summer. . . Hopefully I can see a repeat this July. Gonna lay down a few quarts of spawn into an outdoor bed just in case. . . The caps got huge. I had never seen outdoor cubes IRL before that :blush:


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Re: PE montub [Re: uncle_rico]
    #21779442 - 06/08/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Monotubs.  Outdoors. in the shade, protected, in a light breeze .....


It's the way to go if your conditions permit.

sorry, op.  I just love to show that handful of PE

and.. I'm lit







Awesome PE harvest there! I wasn't sure if PE performed well or not outdoor but i can see it does quite well given the right circumstances. Gonna have tp give that a try….


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21781789 - 06/09/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Update: The tub is starting to produce some nice fruits already with a bunch of pins still growing. So far i have not had any of the PE mutations or blobs, just good old fashion PE fruits. Sorry for the poor quality pictures my phone doesn't focus well at all. -_-







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    #21787754 - 06/10/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Update: loving the mono tub setup so far, hopefully ill be harvesting by this weekend!



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    #21787839 - 06/10/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:rockon: loving it! You'll get to have some fruits too :smile: that's the best part!


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Re: PE montub [Re: Mad Season]
    #21787981 - 06/10/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You have toremember PE can be painfully slow, just wait it out. They seem like they'll come pretty soon, in the masses  :lol:

Edit: missed the last few posts, looks like it already has. Looks great man


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21788007 - 06/10/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Update: loving the mono tub setup so far, hopefully ill be harvesting by this weekend!






since PE has a messed-up spore delivery system (don't blast spores everywhere), you don't have a gun to your head to harvest.  You can wait wait wait.  often a modest tub when left to grow up and fill in ends up looking more respectable.

lookn good MAN.

ps. camera is still weak


edit: wrong word


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Re: PE montub [Re: uncle_rico]
    #21788285 - 06/10/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:rockon: loving it! You'll get to have some fruits too :smile: that's the best part!




Im really stoked about this whole grow method so far, excited to try some of the fruits while fresh. I had some PE on a camping trip from my last bulk sub and they were incredible. i really enjoy this strain even though it takes a little longer. IMO its well worth the extra wait that it requires.

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You have toremember PE can be painfully slow, just wait it out. They seem like they'll come pretty soon, in the masses  :lol:

Edit: missed the last few posts, looks like it already has. Looks great man




Yeah, I am seeing most of the fruits double in size everyday. I went into this grow expecting it to take longer so I'm really just taking it all in and learning what i can/could've done better while i wait for them to be ready.

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Update: loving the mono tub setup so far, hopefully ill be harvesting by this weekend!






since PE has a messed-up spore delivery system (don't blast spores everywhere), you don't have a gun to your head to harvest.  You can wait wait wait.  often a modest tub when left to grow up and fill in ends up looking more respectful.

lookn good MAN.

ps. camera is still weak




Yeah I've been contemplating harvesting one of the fruits that looks ready but since they don't really drop spores I'm not sure if its even worth it. on the other hand I'm sure that the pins and smaller fruits could use the water that that fruit it taking up, so I'm kind of at a crossroads at this point.

Sorry about the camera, its been giving me trouble focusing. I'll try and get some focused shots up in the next few days when more fruits come to maturity.


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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21789054 - 06/10/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Standard cubes are said to be at their most potent (comparing overall weight to amount of alkaloids) at or just before veil tearage.

I have heard some growers say that PE gets more potent with 'age'.

I usually wait until the bitter end as I am going for the best looking pic and I know there won't be a bunch of spores in the FC.

The PE culture I'm working with is loaded with spores that remain in the gills .... can't be very tasty !


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Re: PE montub [Re: uncle_rico]
    #21797902 - 06/12/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Update: came home to this today :laugh:. Hopefully I'll harvest this tub on Monday if all goes well!

Ps: Better pics this time around!





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Re: PE montub [Re: fan5]
    #21806539 - 06/14/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Update: I havested the mono today. Very happy with it being my first one.  Gonna go grab a scale that will fit all of these and I'll give you guys a wet weight!


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