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Gluten allergies
    #21753659 - 06/02/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I used to know a kid who was allergic to gluten way back when i went to church. He was home schooled, and his mom was very strict about his diet. Now the thing that confuses me was his reactions to gluten weren't what i would have thought a typical food allergy to be like. We went on lots of camping trips, where he would go all out on junk food. He didn't display any physical side effects. They were all personality based.

He would go from your typical church kid, to a whiny bitch as the week went on through his gluten binge. I mean he would ball his eyes out if picked last for a game, turn into an asshole picking on other kids, like literally the biggest bitch in the world.

I've read some places that gluten allergies can be likened to apergers, in that it's almost a trendy way people define themselves to be different. (Aspergers like add, has a very loose definition) So my question is if any of you have a gluten allergy is it similar to these symptoms? I started wondering if maybe he just uses his allergy as an excuse for being a bad person. I also wonder if maybe his mom(who he inherited the allergy from) kind of unintentionally made it worse by stressing him out even more, kind of lile a parent freaking out at there kid for smoking pot.

Discuss.

(I'm not trying to deny the existance of the allergic or anything, im curious if HE had it, and wanting to know if anyone else could enlighten me in this topic. I really do not mean to offend anyone)


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21753683 - 06/02/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My dad is heavily allergic to gluten.  You wouldn't know it though without him telling you.

It's not like his face swells up or breaks out in hives


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Herbologist]
    #21753715 - 06/02/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Many people are sensitive to gluten without showing major symptoms. The effects can vary greatly. Gluten is good to avoid in general, wheat does nothing for you and increases obesity.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Herbologist] * 2
    #21753718 - 06/02/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Fucking gluten.

1% of the population has problems with gluten. The rest of us are fine. Don't buy into the marketing bullshit.

Companies have been abusing people's ignorance about gluten and playing on their fear that its the next bigger killer

I've seen ads on sausage packages saying they are gluten free (duh, no gluten has ever been present in sausages). Gluten free carrots, gluten free chicken, gluten free eggs..... You know, all sorts of items that never contained gluten in the history of time. BUT, they aren't lying, they are gluten free... But they can now raise the price!

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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Patlal]
    #21753763 - 06/02/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My wife has a gluten allergy. Not full blown celiac disease though. Two bites of bread or so will fuck her otherwise iron stomach up for hours.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Matt87]
    #21753881 - 06/02/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Matt87 said:
My wife has a gluten allergy. Not full blown celiac disease though. Two bites of bread or so will fuck her otherwise iron stomach up for hours.




Yeah, its a lot more common than the average person realizes. Sensitivity can range from very mild symptoms to full blown celiac disease and everything in between.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Herbologist]
    #21754109 - 06/02/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Herbologist said:
My dad is heavily allergic to gluten.  You wouldn't know it though without him telling you.

It's not like his face swells up or breaks out in hives



So is it like a personality change or something?


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] * 1
    #21756619 - 06/03/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LuSiD enthusiast said:
Quote:

Herbologist said:
My dad is heavily allergic to gluten.  You wouldn't know it though without him telling you.

It's not like his face swells up or breaks out in hives



So is it like a personality change or something?




No, it makes him sick to his stomach


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #21756648 - 06/03/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Most gluten free products use more fat and sugar to hold the products together instead of the gluten. Most people who avoid gluten do it because they think its a healthier choice but there is no evidence that it is bad unless you have an allergy. In that case your dick Will fly off


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21756655 - 06/03/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I think there are a lot of people who just kind of fake it for attention. The real thing really sucks though from what I hear.



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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: twelvelookslikeu] * 1
    #21756674 - 06/03/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

my doctor stupidly diagnosed me with gluten intolerence/possible celiac when i was about 17 because i was ALWAYS constipated. when in fact he was completely untrained to make that diagnosis.
unless you get a Small intestine biopsy, never believe a doctor if he tells you youre allergic to gluten. and for the love of god, dont trust stupid people in your yoga class to try to convince you to not eat gluten





after a colonoscopy and a endoscopy+biopsy, there was absolute proof that i was NOT celiac, or gluten intolerent at all.

as it turned out, my digestive system was addicted to stimulants after 7 years of Ritalin that the shitty doctor who said i had celiac perscribed to me

i spent 5 horrible months not eating anything really. a gluten free diet is miserable


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] * 1
    #21756742 - 06/03/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have coeliac disease, which is different to a gluten intolerance. It's an autoimmune disease, so when I eat anything containing gluten (wheat, oats, barley or rye) my immune system attacks my intestines, causing the villi (these little hair type things which allow you to absorb nutrients) to die.

The physical effects are that initially I get mouth ulcers, which are the biggest tell I've eaten something I shouldnt have, then I get severe abdominal cramps, and bloating. Then I have pretty savage diarrhoea last ing a couple of days. Long term side effects of me eating gluten would be savage malnutrition (which is how I was originally diagnosed), osteoporosis and eventually bowel cancer. After eating gluten it takes a few weeks for my intestinal lining to regenerate.

However if I completely avoid gluten in my diet all of this is void and I'm healthy.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Cepheus] * 1
    #21756997 - 06/03/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

in my experience with the restaurant business, 10 years now, cook to management, front and back of house, people generally have no idea what they are talking about.

they will bitch about gluten then douse their entire plate in soy sauce not aware that it has gluten :ffffuuu:

then try and bitch about some minor thing not knowing they are completely ignorant of their "condition"

just because you prefer to not eat something doesn't make it an allergy.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21757092 - 06/03/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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in my experience with the restaurant business, 10 years now, cook to management, front and back of house, people generally have no idea what they are talking about.

they will bitch about gluten then douse their entire plate in soy sauce not aware that it has gluten :ffffuuu:

then try and bitch about some minor thing not knowing they are completely ignorant of their "condition"

just because you prefer to not eat something doesn't make it an allergy.



Yeah that shit bugs my wife like crazy.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Cepheus]
    #21757160 - 06/03/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have coeliac disease, which is different to a gluten intolerance. It's an autoimmune disease, so when I eat anything containing gluten (wheat, oats, barley or rye) my immune system attacks my intestines, causing the villi (these little hair type things which allow you to absorb nutrients) to die.

The physical effects are that initially I get mouth ulcers, which are the biggest tell I've eaten something I shouldnt have, then I get severe abdominal cramps, and bloating. Then I have pretty savage diarrhoea last ing a couple of days. Long term side effects of me eating gluten would be savage malnutrition (which is how I was originally diagnosed), osteoporosis and eventually bowel cancer. After eating gluten it takes a few weeks for my intestinal lining to regenerate.

However if I completely avoid gluten in my diet all of this is void and I'm healthy.




Cool. I got diagnosed positive for ceoliac with an antibody test and an endoscopy. I have no noticeable symptoms when I eat gluten, but I'm on the diet to prevent the accumulation of long-term damage to my intestine (and the other associated risks). Thanks for having symptoms though. You symptomatic guys and your forum posts let me know which whiskies I can still drink. Some of you guys seem to be able to pick up on lower concentrations of gluten than the actual tests that are mandated.

I'd also like to give a big thank you to all the crazy people who think gluten is evil. It's because of you guys that I can buy crackers that don't taste like those shitty communion wafers catholic people seem to be able to gag down. Now I have something to put cheese on. Again, big thanks.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21757299 - 06/03/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't let stupid idiots tell you there is no such thing as gluten intolerance. Not everyone has it but many do.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21757520 - 06/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My brother has celiac disease and it really fucks him up. He will Shit and vomit his brains out for a week if he has a nibble of anything gluten. Hell he is involved with a state study that involves getting Medicine that isn't even FDA approved.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21758660 - 06/03/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

To be honest it's not that big of a deal.. the key is to eat and drink like a human should. As a general rule if it's made of something else I won't eat it (i.e. bread is flour, water, yeast etc...). Pretty much everything I eat I make from scratch, which has made me a pretty decent cook :tongue:.

Whole foods, nature definitely does provide :wink:.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Cepheus] * 1
    #21758683 - 06/03/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Gluten intolerance is real, but the gluten free diet has become a fad like cross fit or those richard simmons videos from the 80's. Skinny fat fuck.

Anyways it was funny when I was working at this farmers market. Would get people asking me if I ate gluten free because of the shape im in and would always look shocked when I said "no". Months later zero progress from their new fad diet... a cupcake is a fucking cupcake wheat or not.

If you have celiac disease go for it. if not you are wasting your time and actually missing out on a few vital nutrients that gluten provides.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Mescalean]
    #21758816 - 06/03/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think the "gluten free fad" is indicative of millions of people becoming aware that there is something in their diet that makes them feel like shit. I would think it more likely to be some other chemical additives, preservatives, or some other substance they have an allergy to though.

I wouldn't hate on anyone who goes gluten free though. It's a very challenging diet and they're just trying to figure out what makes their body feel bad.

EDIT: Gluten itself doesn't provide any vital nutrients. :facepalm:


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #21758862 - 06/03/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the "gluten free fad" is indicative of millions of people becoming aware that there is something in their diet that makes them feel like shit. I would think it more likely to be some other chemical additives, preservatives, or some other substance they have an allergy to though.

I wouldn't hate on anyone who goes gluten free though. It's a very challenging diet and they're just trying to figure out what makes their body feel bad.

EDIT: Gluten itself doesn't provide any vital nutrients. :facepalm:




http://www.webmd.com/diet/truth-about-gluten

"Gluten itself doesn’t offer special nutritional benefits. But the many whole grains that contain gluten do. They’re rich in an array of vitamins and minerals, such as B vitamins and iron, as well as fiber."

Sooo sorry I worded it wrong. You get the point though.

Personally I think the "feeling better" for the people with normal immune function is either A. Placebo. B. They are so use to eating shitty food that by switching to gluten free they are already eating way healthier there for feeling better. Nothing to do with the wheat protein. I do find it funny that gluten gets more hype than preservatives and all that though.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: Mescalean]
    #21758929 - 06/03/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I completely agree.

But I still leave room for the potential for some people to actually be sensitive to gluten without having celiac disease or a wheat allergy. Just like I'm sensitive to tomatoes and chocolate. Digestive systems are complex and weird.


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Re: Gluten allergies [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #21758967 - 06/03/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I completely agree.

But I still leave room for the potential for some people to actually be sensitive to gluten without having celiac disease or a wheat allergy. Just like I'm sensitive to tomatoes and chocolate. Digestive systems are complex and weird.




Of course, its good to see some common sense on these boards now and then. People seem to think you either can eat all the gluten you want with no problems or you can't eat any. Like most conditions, it presents as a spectrum from very little to very severe.

I do agree it has become something of a fad, many who are not gluten sensitive at all get on the fad. But wheat is not a great food, avoiding wheat I can see. Oats and some other grains are much better unless you are sensitive to them.


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