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Psilosoulful

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What lid method do you use for your grain jars
#21753019 - 06/02/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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In your experience, what size gas exchange hole is optimal, and do you believe in using tyvek, polyfill, SFD, with a self healing injection port? Or do you feel that purchasing specially made quart jar lids is easier? I've seen experienced growers on here using those white lids, I'm guessing those are the way to go.
Even though I've had good grows so far, I still get slow colonization in about 50% of the jars that I've made. I suspect that it's the gas exchange that I'm having problems with in my jars, because I follow the WBS tek to a T. I just wanna find the best method to ensure faster grows from start to finish.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21753025 - 06/02/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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how big is YOUR gas exchange hole?
Edited by MonkeyJesusFresco (06/02/15 02:20 PM)
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21753029 - 06/02/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like the plastic lids with the big, thick SFDs under them with whatever size hole in the top. It's not that important. When I run out of SFDs I use Polyfil.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21753036 - 06/02/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SFD. Good to have at least one plastic lid with injection port though for master jars (I bought mine, good to have one I suppose... They don't tend to get contaminated easily if you follow sterile procedure... Same with SFD but even safer)
SFD is generally good enough though
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Fractal420]
#21753041 - 06/02/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Injection ports are overrated. Just crack the lid and inoculate. Silicone doesn't like to stick to that plastic either.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Fractal420]
#21753048 - 06/02/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use 1/8" holes and cover with a cut SFD that is siliconed over the hole.

These pics are old, yes I used to use them gasket side up, now I use them gasket side down.
I noticed no difference other than the gasket side up ones are a bitch to open.
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Quote:
MonkeyJesusFresco said: how big is YOUR gas exchange hole? 
id like to lick your silicone injection port!
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: PussyFart]
#21753258 - 06/02/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: I use 1/8" holes and cover with a cut SFD that is siliconed over the hole.

These pics are old, yes I used to use them gasket side up, now I use them gasket side down.
I noticed no difference other than the gasket side up ones are a bitch to open.
anyone who has been cultivating more than a few has lids like this.
I still use mine gasket side up. or I tear the gasket material out.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: PussyFart]
#21753290 - 06/02/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: I use 1/8" holes and cover with a cut SFD that is siliconed over the hole.

These pics are old, yes I used to use them gasket side up, now I use them gasket side down.
I noticed no difference other than the gasket side up ones are a bitch to open.
Do you recommend always injecting thru the SFD, then covering with micropore tape or making a separate SHIP to inject thru?
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21753303 - 06/02/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Psilosoulful said:
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PussyFart said: I use 1/8" holes and cover with a cut SFD that is siliconed over the hole.

These pics are old, yes I used to use them gasket side up, now I use them gasket side down.
I noticed no difference other than the gasket side up ones are a bitch to open.
Do you recommend always injecting thru the SFD, then covering with micropore tape or making a separate SHIP to inject thru?
uhh, neither. you don't inject through the lid at all. take the lid off in a SAB or using a flow hood. Injection ports are to get you through your first few grows. micropore tape is crap, and I would never rely on it for anything.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: bodhisatta]
#21753320 - 06/02/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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injection ports are noob friendly. until you learn how easy it is to use sterile technique. SABs work great using a still air box is easy(4th grader skill level), or hard if you fail to make one that accommodates you properly and then bitch about how small and hard they are to use(retard). or buy a flow hood(unnecessary for almost all of us).
the only filter you can inject through with a syringe needle is polyfil.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: bodhisatta]
#21753362 - 06/02/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: injection ports are noob friendly. until you learn how easy it is to use sterile technique. SABs work great using a still air box is easy(4th grader skill level), or hard if you fail to make one that accommodates you properly and then bitch about how small and hard they are to use(retard). or buy a flow hood(unnecessary for almost all of us).
the only filter you can inject through with a syringe needle is polyfil.
Okay, is there any added benefit to opening up the grain jar lids other than to inject into? I've always read that making a SHIP is necessary. I'm not 100% confident my homemade cardboard SAB will ward off all possible contaminates.
Edited by Psilosoulful (06/02/15 03:43 PM)
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21753372 - 06/02/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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technique wards off contaminants, you have to start somewhere. you won't be an expert right away. but you learn how to ride the bike and it's pretty damn easy.
injection ports don't last forever. needles are getting plugged with injection port pieces. if you take your jars out the PC take the foil off let them cool. the best you can do is sanitize the injection port you can't sterilize the outside of an injection port. you can wipe it with 70% iso alcohol and it works almost every time but most of us who do agar work in a very easy to prep and use SAB just inoculate by removing the lid ever so slightly and squirting right into the jar. injection ports are just inferior in almost every conceivable way other than a stepping stone.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: bodhisatta]
#21753410 - 06/02/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: technique wards off contaminants, you have to start somewhere. you won't be an expert right away. but you learn how to ride the bike and it's pretty damn easy.
injection ports don't last forever. needles are getting plugged with injection port pieces. if you take your jars out the PC take the foil off let them cool. the best you can do is sanitize the injection port you can't sterilize the outside of an injection port. you can wipe it with 70% iso alcohol and it works almost every time but most of us who do agar work in a very easy to prep and use SAB just inoculate by removing the lid ever so slightly and squirting right into the jar. injection ports are just inferior in almost every conceivable way other than a stepping stone.
I'll try that then. I did do a grain to grain transfer in my SAB a couple of weeks ago, and I had no contamination issues, so I think I'll be okay. I just gotta make sure I sanitize everything properly. Do you recommend spraying lysol into the SAB, then letting it settle for 10 minutes? Or should i use a bleach/water solution? I've read on a lot of forums that using lysol could cause mutations..
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: bodhisatta]
#21753424 - 06/02/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would you have to flame sterilize between jars, or could you just crack the lid and inoculate without touching the jar with the needle?
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psychblues]
#21753479 - 06/02/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have my jars pre-loosened I'll do all of them flame the needle only at the start.
lysol is useless I would never buy it for any part of mushroom cultivation. use water or very very dilute soapy water about 1 drop dish soap to a liter of water. spray the inside wait a minute and then go to work. it's technique not how clean the box is.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: bodhisatta]
#21753520 - 06/02/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I have my jars pre-loosened I'll do all of them flame the needle only at the start.
lysol is useless I would never buy it for any part of mushroom cultivation. use water or very very dilute soapy water about 1 drop dish soap to a liter of water. spray the inside wait a minute and then go to work. it's technique not how clean the box is.
Also, is it necessary to loosen the jars a quarter turn before pc'ing if using a SFD? Thanks for the feedback!
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21753788 - 06/02/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no, that's the point of the gas exchange. the lids go on snug to tight.
you pre-loosen them so when you're inoculating or doing g2g you don't have to dick around with loosening jars when you're trying to be sterile and smooth.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: bodhisatta]
#21754090 - 06/02/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've always tightened lids until i feel just a tiny bit of resistance, then cover with foil. After I pc, I leave them in the pc for about an hour to cool, and then tighten with the aluminum foil still on. If I tighten them too much before they cool off, they have to be run under hot water to reopen
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psychblues]
#21754413 - 06/02/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive been getting the autoclavable plastic lids, and placing a cut circle of SFD over the hole with silicone, like Pussyfart does above. The SFDs are kinda pricey so cutting them and only using like a nickle to quarter sized filter is pretty cost effective.
I just started buying cases of spawn bags so I can afford a proper SFD lid for every master jar
But when I need more I use 2 circles of craft felt between the band and lid of jar over the hole, it hold the lid as one piece and you dont have to stuff polyfill through all the holes
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: mushpunx]
#21755060 - 06/02/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SFDs seem expensive at first but they're infinitely reusable. The cost becomes negligible after a few runs.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21756133 - 06/03/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea dude they really arent too bad considering Especially if you just tack on another set of ten every time you place an oder for something, you build up a collection pretty fast
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Psilosoulful

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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21758750 - 06/03/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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grain jars
 filters
 liquid cultures and pf jrs
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: eatyualive]
#21758772 - 06/03/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those are cool eat Hey do you know what size hole the vaccutainer ports require?
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Psychblues]
#21761165 - 06/04/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Damn, eats, do you just use a dime or something? When I used to cut up my filters I'd use a nickel and I'd get 7 circles max.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21761237 - 06/04/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just recently started using 1/2"-1" hole stuffed as tightly as possible with polyfil. Depending on what my inoculate was I witness different speeds of growths. A slice of agar took about 3 weeks my tigerdrops colonized exceptionally fast, under two weeks.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21545546
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Thoky.ykoht]
#21761434 - 06/04/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I currently use 1/4" holes stuffed with polyfil.... works great btw.
I have some plastic lids and some SFD's I am going to put together one of these days...just haven't gotten around too it. And the ones I use now work so well I haven't been in a rush to switch over...lol.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: Thoky.ykoht]
#21761442 - 06/04/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thoky.ykoht said: I just recently started using 1/2"-1" hole stuffed as tightly as possible with polyfil. Depending on what my inoculate was I witness different speeds of growths. A slice of agar took about 3 weeks my tigerdrops colonized exceptionally fast, under two weeks.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21545546
damn... those sound like pretty big holes. I can see 1/2" but 1" seems it would cause the grains to dry out.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#21761657 - 06/04/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't see how you could stuff poly tight enough in a 1" hole...maybe I underestimate poly
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For my quart jars I use two 1/8" holes on the sides for GE and a 1/4" hole in the center covered top and bottom with RTV silicone.
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: ShroominMe]
#21761803 - 06/04/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do agar to grain. I use a 1 inch whole in the middle of the lid with a filter disc over it. Cheap. Simple. Easy. Works for me. I get 5 circles out of each wide mouth filter disc. I also run a thin layer of silicone on the inside of the lid to keep it from rusting
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Re: What lid method do you use for your grain jars [Re: GIjoe420]
#21761922 - 06/04/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Step Two: Make your lids Using a 3/4" or 1" drill bit or hole saw, carefully drill a hole in the lid of each quart jar.
Stuff the lid with polyfill VERY TIGHTLY. You should stuff it as tight as possible, no exceptions.
To test for good polyfill density, stick your needle through it. You should feel some resistance as you press it through. More resistance is better in all cases.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837/fpart/1/vc/1
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