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getting stoned isn't as fun anymore
#21752875 - 06/02/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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what happened?
when i was a teenager weed was responsible for so many fun times and great memories. laughing, running around or going to the movies.
it was always a fun, eye opening experience.
now whenever i smoke weed its boring and depressing. and i get paranoid.
is anyone else like this now that they're older?
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: nastynaven]
#21752888 - 06/02/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't really even get high man. I've been smoking daily since twelve. Its all about flavor nowadays.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: nastynaven]
#21752890 - 06/02/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nastynaven said: now whenever i smoke weed its boring and depressing. and i get paranoid.
is anyone else like this now that they're older?
Yeah, me. It helps to only smoke every now and then.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Matt87]
#21752892 - 06/02/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Matt87 said: I don't really even get high man. I've been smoking daily since twelve. Its all about flavor nowadays.
see, i only smoke once a month these days.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: nastynaven]
#21752905 - 06/02/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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When you are young you are carefree and ignorant to such things in the world. You can get high and do nothing, and not worry about a thing. As an adult you get high and you think, damn I have to pay bills and go to work and I have to do this and that and it sort of takes away from the high. It's not like that for everyone, but I think a level of maturity and responsibility has something to do with it.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: nastynaven]
#21752921 - 06/02/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Matt87 said: I don't really even get high man. I've been smoking daily since twelve. Its all about flavor nowadays.
see, i only smoke once a month these days.
That would certainly make me paranoid. I used to get like that after a few years of smoking. Its just a habit now I guess.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: nastynaven] 1
#21752933 - 06/02/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Take a break 
The only time I smoke is either before bed or when Im really drunk. I put my headphones on and browse youtube for new music. Its still pretty fucking great.
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it also doesn't help that my friends i smoke with always just wanna hang around the apartment. thats boring.
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In my experience, those feelings corresponded with problematic issues in other aspects of my lifestyle. My use started out (and many can nostalgically relate) smoking occasionally in high school. Giggles, laughs, no serious consequences, you know the deal.
For the next 3-4 years, smoking pot was something with which I personally identified. Daily user, always looked forward to using, sometimes 2-3 times a day. However, there was a definite shift from fun loving, spiritual, or opening to paranoid, anxious, and general negative experiences. I would use, immediately regret doing so, and then spend the rest of the high thinking about the responsibilities I was not attending to because I was baked (at the time it was a lot of homework, social obligations/events). Spent most of my time indoors generally not interacting with people.
At a certain point, these negative experiences beg the question: why do you continue to do something which is wholly aversive? Why continue to beat a dead horse? I took a long break to gain some perspective. I could see I used it as an escape device, ironically, to escape the very activities I now find so stimulating (emphasis because I believe the very things which cause us anxiety are almost begging us to figure them out!).
Now (10 months post daily user), I usually smoke between 0-2 times a week, usually when exercising outdoors (yoga is FANTASTIC while high) or before sex. I'm motivated and reinforced more by my holistic health than an escapist desire to be intoxicated.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Myopic.Skam]
#21753072 - 06/02/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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As Im getting older I find myself losing interest in drugs more and more. I stopped smoking weed years ago, I dont even find psychedelics to be that appealing anymore. They've taken to kicking my ass with bodyloads for most of the trip. Coke, MDMA, all of that. Im slowly drifting to being straight edge and just being comfortable with my day to day headspace. Which is kind of crazy since I used to blow hundreds of dollars on them every week when I was younger.
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I almost hate smoking weed now, I tried giving it up and somewhat succeeded for a couple months just recently....I only realized I truly can't be sober, its like i have two different personalities with and without drugs in my life (not hard drugs) and even if it's not great, with drugs it's better, might be pathetic, but I'd probably kill myself from hatred of everything if it wasn't for them, so I'd rather dislike it a little instead of hating everything a lot, do get more anxiety then I used to though, by a large margin
Weed keeps me passive, which does a great deal for me, even with me not liking it, I don't like myself more without it.
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I just smoke when Im doing something that I would enjoy anyways. Then weed just makes it more fun
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I actively avoid and fear the marijuana high. Even smelling a nug gives me insane anxiety.
No other drug makes me feel so paranoid, socially awkward and panicked. From the first toke it feels like I am about to jump off a cliff and I just want the high to end and even if someone payed me a hundred dollars right now to smoke I would turn it down. This is coming from an ex meth user that gets anxiety relief when he uses stimulants.
Kratom is the ex stoner drug. It is for those that are looking for something better that you can use every day and feel good, happy, social and energized. Kratom has way more medicinal benefit IMO. The only difference is that a weed high is multiple times stronger then a kratom high.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753141 - 06/02/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm the total opposite, I need at least a few hits of good weed just so I can leave my house and tolerate people all the while listening to their stupid ass stories and pretending like any of it is important.
I'm almost never in public sober, for good reason lol. It gives me anxiety, just not social anxiety, unless I'm so high I can't even communicate properly, in which case I get a little anxiety.
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I personally think weed is the cause of many people's social anxiety. It is the antisocial drug.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#21753150 - 06/02/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree 99% of the time that's the case, it like bugs one of my closest friends how I need to smoke before we go out, he has no idea how I do it because he would just seclude himself immediately after if he were to try the same.
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Bitter Cactus said: I personally think weed is the cause of many people's social anxiety. It is the antisocial drug.
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SirShroomsAlott said: I agree 99% of the time that's the case, it like bugs one of my closest friends how I need to smoke before we go out, he has no idea how I do it because he would just seclude himself immediately after if he were to try the same.
I can hardly believe I'm reading some of these posts.
Yeah, meth calms me down but weed makes me anxious.
Makes zero sense.
And to NOT get stoned before going out, what fun is that?
Kooks.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: LunarEclipse]
#21753181 - 06/02/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And to NOT get stoned before going out, what fun is that?
There is no fun without it, it's the only thing that makes people seem slightly interesting.
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When you smoke meth your mind feels relaxed and you lay back in euphoria and sink into the couch, the same way you would on MDMA. Your body is moving fast but in your mind you feel an inner peace. The only way I could describe it to someone who has never used it is that it feels like molly in a way.
Weed just gives me negative though spirals, self doubt, anxiety. No other drug can compare to weed's ability to strip away all the good aspects of my personality and replace me with an anxious, awkward quiet person. It is sad.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753200 - 06/02/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I stopped smoking regularly over 2 years ago, life has been awesome since.
Weed sucks, it's extremely over-priced and makes me awkward as fuck.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753212 - 06/02/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Kratom is the ex stoner drug. It is for those that are looking for something better that you can use every day and feel good, happy, social and energized. Kratom has way more medicinal benefit IMO. The only difference is that a weed high is multiple times stronger then a kratom high.
I've tried to enjoy kratom, but the stomach pain it gives me is just too intense. I may give it another whirl as I have a bunch left, but I just haven't been able to get the dosage right.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Sheekle]
#21753214 - 06/02/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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"The stoners told me it would make me relaxed and take away my anxiety. They said it would calm my mind down and help me relax. What happened when I had my first toke was immediate panic, intense anxiety and inability to communicate with anyone around me. I just wanted it to stop."
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Matt87]
#21753247 - 06/02/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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did you graduate high school? did you get a degree? nope. Weeds a motivation and ambition killer. We tell our children not to use drugs and here we are legalizing them. Wrong message.
Although when it comes to harm reduction is it much less dangerous than the legal garbage. The legal shit is the worst. fucking retards. Alcohol is the biggest money maker in the world. Brings in more money than oil and the internets. No matter what is happening in the economy alcohol will be there. and the worse it gets the more people will buy it
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: sprinkles]
#21753393 - 06/02/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Weed motivates me. I do use it to self-medicate my depression or whatever else my brain has. So it works well for myself.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: sprinkles]
#21753396 - 06/02/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I really don't smoking anymore either. I haven't in a few weeks and I feel great. Definitely easier than I thought it was gonna be
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21753451 - 06/02/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People say weed doesn't demotivate them and make them anxious. My attitude is that is bullshit.
You have to fight the tiredness and the anxiety it gives you. Those are simply the effects.
If you want something that is motivating and calming try kratom. The effects will make you feel that way themselves.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753456 - 06/02/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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How come kratom has always made me want to take a nap?
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753463 - 06/02/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I started smoki ng everyday again, but I literally just take a few good hits, it actually peps me up and makes me more active suprisingly, I see that doesn't do that to everyone though, I don't believe in it unmotivating people either, just my opinion though
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#21753481 - 06/02/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: People say weed doesn't demotivate them and make them anxious. My attitude is that is bullshit.
You have to fight the tiredness and the anxiety it gives you. Those are simply the effects.
If you want something that is motivating and calming try kratom. The effects will make you feel that way themselves.
Maybe you get lazy because your attitude is bullshit?
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: D.M.T]
#21753495 - 06/02/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: How come kratom has always made me want to take a nap?
High doses of kratom make you tired, low doses energized. Red vein is more sedating, white vein is more energizing. Overall tho it is like a relaxant and an energizing thing in one. Like a baby speedball.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: nastynaven]
#21753506 - 06/02/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tone and degree of mental effect is largely strain dependent. The expression and strength of its potential effects are based on how it is grown. If you wanted something inspiring, but relaxing and euphoric, you could get a nice indica like the bubblegum, and blast it into some wax. That'd concentrate the main essence of its effect. 2 rips and you'd be soaring but never paranoid. The vibe is "everything is fine".
There are varieties that would not make you paranoid, and others less likely to make you tired.
Likewise, I could tell you strains that would likely send you on a fear coaster like the og18, or put you down for a nap like the midnight kush.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753507 - 06/02/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's what they say but I only take low doses (~3 grams) because it hurts my stomach too much. Green, red, white vein, I've found the effects to be the same. Tis unfortunate because I was hoping for the energy but I've only had it make me sick and demotivate me like weed.
Kava on the other hand I've found is pretty good for working, as well as alcohol.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753512 - 06/02/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: People say weed doesn't demotivate them and make them anxious. My attitude is that is bullshit.
You have to fight the tiredness and the anxiety it gives you. Those are simply the effects.
If you want something that is motivating and calming try kratom. The effects will make you feel that way themselves.
Weed makes me do shit.
Krat makes me want to do nothing.
Weed doesn't make me tired or anxious. For someone who says he avoids weed like the plague, you pretend to know an aweful lot, especially considering you can't handle the high.
In fact, you were bragging when you got a ritalin script and talking about how much it changed your life. I've never met a person who enjoyed having a script. They all sold it for things that don't suck.
So I can safely conclude that much like in your annoying little anti-weed rants that we all hoped were in the past, you don't know shit.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: D.M.T]
#21753548 - 06/02/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: That's what they say but I only take low doses (~3 grams) because it hurts my stomach too much. Green, red, white vein, I've found the effects to be the same. Tis unfortunate because I was hoping for the energy but I've only had it make me sick and demotivate me like weed.
Kava on the other hand I've found is pretty good for working, as well as alcohol.
Try mixing the kratom into yogurt the straight leaf is hard on the stomach bro.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753555 - 06/02/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's actually what I do. My stomach is just not cut out for opiates / things that work on opioid receptors. I've puked twice in my life from drugs, once from way too much alcohol (nearly lethal amount) and once from two 7.5 Lortabs.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: D.M.T]
#21753641 - 06/02/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I first smoked around 9 years ago. It has changed quite a bit but so have I.
Alot of people i know who used to smoke everyday no longer smoke because they say it gives them anxiety and paranoia.
Weed has always given me anxiety and paranoia, its part of the high IMO
I really feel like these people (that i know in real life) are just using weed to feel good. They use drugs to escape reality.
I feel like these people dont like weed anymore because they cant use it to escape their problems anymore. In fact, it magnifies their problems, causing anxiety and paranoia.
I have always felt like the anxiety and paranoia are just part of the high and i embrace these feelings and actually find them enjoyable most of the time. Its just part of getting high. Some level of anxiety and paranoia helps keeps you aware of your surroundings.
Weed seems just as good, if not better, than it always has been for me
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take a day or two off if that don't work take a longer tolerance break. /thread
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I wonder what weed does to the brain long term that changes such an initially enjoyable high into such a shitty, paranoid and anxiety/ panic ridden experience.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Sheekle] 1
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I wonder if weed HELPS all types of anxiety if you have it normally and it CREATES anxiety if you normally don't have it all the time.
Personally, when sober I am EXTREMELY anxious and always feel like I am dying or something (if I have a pain or ache) and it is not possible for me to meet new people. I fear people I don't know well so much, it fucking sucks.
But when I blaze up, no matter what set/setting, types of weed, etc. all of that anxiety and social awkwardness just washes away. I usually become the center of attention when I am stoned in public because it is so much fun and you can't stop once you have started talking to people... it is weird but I love it.
Maybe I am just built for weed - it has saved my life (literally, I used to be suicidal depressed before weed)
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Oeric McKenna]
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Bitter Cactus said: I wonder what weed does to the brain long term that changes such an initially enjoyable high into such a shitty, paranoid and anxiety/ panic ridden experience.
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Oeric McKenna said: Tone and degree of mental effect is largely strain dependent. The expression and strength of its potential effects are based on how it is grown. If you wanted something inspiring, but relaxing and euphoric, you could get a nice indica like the bubblegum, and blast it into some wax. That'd concentrate the main essence of its effect. 2 rips and you'd be soaring but never paranoid. The vibe is "everything is fine".
There are varieties that would not make you paranoid, and others less likely to make you tired.
Likewise, I could tell you strains that would likely send you on a fear coaster like the og18, or put you down for a nap like the midnight kush.
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XLCaps said:
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Bitter Cactus said: People say weed doesn't demotivate them and make them anxious. My attitude is that is bullshit.
You have to fight the tiredness and the anxiety it gives you. Those are simply the effects.
If you want something that is motivating and calming try kratom. The effects will make you feel that way themselves.
Weed makes me do shit.
Krat makes me want to do nothing.
Weed doesn't make me tired or anxious. For someone who says he avoids weed like the plague, you pretend to know an aweful lot, especially considering you can't handle the high.
Yeah weed is motivating - both in the present and it helps me set goals and actually follow through with them.
I am not really sensitive to weed's depressant/sleep inducing effects, and I am sure there are others out there who are the same. The only strain that truly puts me to sleep is herijuana, but that is debated as the most narcotic strain ever.
To me, marijuana just makes me super happy and it makes everything feel like a sunny day and you are just chill as fuck sipping on a cold drink... that is weed, just all the time. I don't how anxiety comes from that.
My question to people with bad experiences with weed, what exactly are you anxious about? Is it just general day to day shit (bills, calling someone, upcoming meetings, etc)? Do you feel like someone is following you? Does it seem like everyone is looking at you? Or is it a bit of everything?
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
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Bitter Cactus said: People say weed doesn't demotivate them and make them anxious. My attitude is that is bullshit.
You have to fight the tiredness and the anxiety it gives you. Those are simply the effects.
If you want something that is motivating and calming try kratom. The effects will make you feel that way themselves.
Weed makes me do shit.
Krat makes me want to do nothing.
Weed doesn't make me tired or anxious. For someone who says he avoids weed like the plague, you pretend to know an aweful lot, especially considering you can't handle the high.
Yeah weed is motivating - both in the present and it helps me set goals and actually follow through with them.
I am not really sensitive to weed's depressant/sleep inducing effects, and I am sure there are others out there who are the same. The only strain that truly puts me to sleep is herijuana, but that is debated as the most narcotic strain ever.
To me, marijuana just makes me super happy and it makes everything feel like a sunny day and you are just chill as fuck sipping on a cold drink... that is weed, just all the time. I don't how anxiety comes from that.
My question to people with bad experiences with weed, what exactly are you anxious about? Is it just general day to day shit (bills, calling someone, upcoming meetings, etc)? Do you feel like someone is following you? Does it seem like everyone is looking at you? Or is it a bit of everything?
I agree with most of what you're saying.
But as for the question about weed anxiety - that's just it. It isn't anxiety "about" anything. It's totally irrrational fear. For me, my heart beats fast and strong, I feel very anxious, maybe a bit light headed, and out of breath. Your typical anxiety attack. It doesn't have to be about something in your life. It's tough for people without anxiety to imagine, I know, but anxiety is totally irrational. It's not about paranoia, or being self-conscious, or being worried about my life or my future. It's just the pure sensation of fear, and it sucks.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
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Yep the anxiety is totally irrational and I can tell myself there is nothing to be anxious about and still be in panic.
It is the weed high itself that does this.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
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Yeah it sucks and yet I still risk it daily. I love smoking pot. It doesn't happen very often but when it does, it sucks. If I keep the dose very low, I'm fine. Which saves me a lot of money... I can make an eighth last me a week, staying high pretty much constantly.
If I smoke the right (tiny) amount, it's still very enjoyable and brightens up my day.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
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stop judging your own feelings just go with the flow. its called being high.
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It isn't anxiety "about" anything. It's totally irrrational fear. For me, my heart beats fast and strong, I feel very anxious, maybe a bit light headed, and out of breath. Your typical anxiety attack. It doesn't have to be about something in your life. It's tough for people without anxiety to imagine, I know, but anxiety is totally irrational. It's not about paranoia, or being self-conscious, or being worried about my life or my future. It's just the pure sensation of fear, and it sucks.
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It isn't anxiety "about" anything. It's totally irrrational fear. For me, my heart beats fast and strong, I feel very anxious, maybe a bit light headed, and out of breath. Your typical anxiety attack. It doesn't have to be about something in your life. It's tough for people without anxiety to imagine, I know, but anxiety is totally irrational. It's not about paranoia, or being self-conscious, or being worried about my life or my future. It's just the pure sensation of fear, and it sucks.
I used to have "anxiety" then I stopped thinking of it as such and now I don't see it as anxiety and it doesn't bother me like It used to.
someone gave me that advice and it has been the best "anxiety" advice I have ever been given.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: D.M.T]
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exactly. thats what i was trying to explain in my post. Paranoia and anxiety are just part of the high. Whenever i look back at a time when i was paranoid, i laugh pretty hard because of how irrational it was.
There are also times where the paranoia was justified and if i wasnt extremely paranoid, something bad would have happened
Simply being alive makes me anxious and paranoid. Thats what i am anxious about, the fact that i am alive
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
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you don't ignore it you just stop calling it anxiety and using it as an excuse to freak the fuck out. don't go against that "anxiety" go with it. don't make up shit to freak out about.
trust me I have had bad anxiety in my past but you can change it. it only sounds hard. just stop sitting there like "oh no I have anxiety right now" because that way youre damning your self into freaking out.
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you don't ignore it you just stop calling it anxiety and using it as an excuse to freak the fuck out. don't go against that "anxiety" go with it. don't make up shit to freak out about.
trust me I have had bad anxiety in my past but you can change it. it only sounds hard. just stop sitting there like "oh no I have anxiety right now" because that way youre damning your self into freaking out.
You don't get it. It's cool but stop trying to argue about it. I'm happy for you that you overcame your anxiety, but you obviously do not get it.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
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im not arguing im just trying to help others who suffer the same thing. some people don't want to be helped.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
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I like taking drugs
then getting stoned 
Amphetamine + weed not so much for working tho
But GABAergics + weed
fuck yeah
It isn't as fun anymore Untill I get around the people I have fun with Or I just sit alone at home, comfortable, not aching
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Beanhead]
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Anything that isn't an upper + weed =
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: nastynaven]
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I made the mistake of allowing my drug use to progress. At least with weed when you realize it isn't fun anymore you can just stop No high is worth trading away being able to get through the day like a normal person. If you're having trouble finding enough joy in life smoking trees all day, before you decide to start mixing in alcohol, or checking out what all these mystery chemicals kids are buying off the internet, maybe consider taking a break from drugs, or at least self-medicating.
I get anxiety from weed. Like someone else said, it was a real problem for a while, then one time I had a trip (or maybe just a revelation sans psychs, I forget ) and I was like, 'so fucking what?' and since then I still get the anxiety, but I just deal with it alot better, and have even learned to direct that into things I enjoy, which I couldn't even do on speed. So my relationship with weed has changed of the years, but at this point I think it is the best drug ever, by any measure, and people who question that are all trolls.
Seriously it's fantastic. The fact that it isn't all that and a bag of chips is part of it's charm. It is the best recreational drug as well as overall health tonic.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: moonrockmushy]
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i stopped smoking like 8 years ago cause of psychosis
i heard from a close doctor friend of mine that 1 out of 10 people experience psychosis from weed
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: leafing]
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Yeah well that is a fair reason to stop, but there is no evidence that marijuana causes psychosis, at least not when compared to nearly any other psychoactive drug. Any stressor can stir up underlying mental disturbances.
1/10 sounds awful high to me. I wonder how psychosis would be defined there.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: moonrockmushy]
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1/10 sounds awful high to me. I wonder how psychosis would be defined there.
1/10 close doctor friends aren't real anyway.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: leafing]
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leafing said: i stopped smoking like 8 years ago cause of psychosis
i heard from a close doctor friend of mine that 1 out of 10 people experience psychosis from weed
Temporary or long term/permanent?
While weed may cause a psychosis (there is evidence that states THC by itself can cause it, both short and long term), CBD along with nearly every other compound found in cannabis flowers counter psychosis and the negative effects of marijuana. If you can't get weed from someone/some place that lists the tested cannabinoid profiles of your strain then I would recommend you pick up some CBD extract to use with your marijuana.
CBD is a mild yet extremely effective antianxiolytic and has been proven to treat mental illnesses like schizophrenia
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
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I have always said this, but weed is by far the worst drug for the mentally ill. I believe it brings out schizophrenia and is the root cause of anxiety disorders and other mental issues.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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I have smoked weed for thirty years and I still enjoy it a great deal. That being said, it is not as it was in my teens, man getting high was epic in those days.
These days I rarely carry or smoke during the day, but I do burn pretty much every evening. I smoke out from time to time but more typically if I am smoking weed I am home chilling with my woman. And cat.
The good news is that after smoking daily for three decades I still have my full faculties and a solid career as a senior network engineer. I have to laugh at the anti-weed crew here, who seem to have decided that all users are lazy stoners who only smoke herb, talk about smoking herb etc. Some might be but there are many productive, intelligent people who consume MJ regularly.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Void_Hawk]
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Weed definitely isn't good for anyone with a mental illness but there are much worse drugs to do to exasperate a current condition.
Getting high is all about who you're with and what you are doing. Someone mentioned it is an 'enhancer' and I absolutely agree with that.
As I get older, I do have more anxiety when I smoke but I don't smoke nearly as much as I did in my younger days. I have too much shit I need to get done during the day.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Detached]
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I'd rather get drunk then stoned any day.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Detached]
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1: weed is always better taken with something else
2: weed shouldn't be smoked into high amounts unless you're on something else
overall: weed isn't as effective as other drugs for getting high. it's mimics the effects of a narcotic in high doses, so thus lower doses are preferable in most cases to me. meaning it's just not a very meaningful drug in the long term, though it's effects can be strong on one's mindset. it's basically like a cigarette or a drink after awhile. other psychedelic drugs are simply better.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: akira_akuma]
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Weed is a pretty meaningful experience to me. It brings me deep insight and allows me to look at things objectively.
If sobriety was walking and drugs were a means of transportation, weed is like, a rickshaw.
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Idk man and the medicinal benefits are so overblown. Hate to be a one note pony but kratom has way more medicinal benefits for me.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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With kratom though you have to dose and wait...and even then the effects are rather timid. Granted kratom does wonders for my motivation and anxiety that weed has never done.
But theres something just so simple and easy about taking a few hits to help my sleep, ease my pain or nausea. Kratom can't even top that.
They are very different drugs used for very different purposes.
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If sobriety was walking and drugs were a means of transportation, weed is like, a rickshaw.
well, i did say it was a strong effect on one's mindset, and that it's effects are only not meaningful in the long term. it ends up wearing a little thin to me, and not really worth the expenditure half the time.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: akira_akuma]
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I thought I was in the kratom thread. whoops.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Not really. Cannabis has been shown to treat/help treat over 160 diseases and ailments
http://www.unitedpatientsgroup.com/resources/illnesses-treatable
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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I used krat a couple times a week for a few months and while I did find I enjoyed myself and was relieved of pains, I found myself being more absorbed on being high. When I just smoke weed I just feel nice and do stuff. Krat feels like an event sort of in the same way when I trip, you know? Though I suppose others who've never been or aren't a chronic, would likely feel the same about weed. When I'm kratted I just wanna close my eyes and think about how good I feel, when I'm weeded I do stuff.
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Weed helps my asthma.
just toshin it out there.
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But theres something just so simple and easy about taking a few hits to help my sleep, ease my pain or nausea. Kratom can't even top that.
They are very different drugs used for very different purposes.
sometimes the subtler the effect the more pronounced it's effect. Kratom is good for that. plus it's alot less expensive than weed, and usually doesn't over power.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: akira_akuma]
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it isn't cheaper if you buy from head shops and if you want the heavy sedative affect.
40 bucks for 30 caps of .5 g in ea.
only lasts me like 2 days...
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just toshin it out there.
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40 bucks for 30 caps of .5 g in ea.
only lasts me like 2 days...
Average price is usually 100$ a kilogram.
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just toshin it out there.
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just toshin it out there.
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Even in the medical community, there has long been debate over whether or not cannabis is helpful for asthma patients when smoked. Asthma is a chronic inflammatory disease and cannabis is a known anti-inflammatory, so could the benefits outweigh the smoking risk? Studies on the pro side cite THC’s ability to dilate respiratory passages and inhibit coughing as factors that make it beneficial for some patients. Turns out, cannabis actually does the opposite of tobacco smoke in that it expands, rather than constricts bronchial passageways.
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But theres something just so simple and easy about taking a few hits to help my sleep, ease my pain or nausea. Kratom can't even top that.
They are very different drugs used for very different purposes.
sometimes the subtler the effect the more pronounced it's effect. Kratom is good for that. plus it's alot less expensive than weed, and usually doesn't over power.
Eh, I don't pay for weed so kratom is kind of expensive to me.
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Even in the medical community, there has long been debate over whether or not cannabis is helpful for asthma patients when smoked. Asthma is a chronic inflammatory disease and cannabis is a known anti-inflammatory, so could the benefits outweigh the smoking risk? Studies on the pro side cite THC’s ability to dilate respiratory passages and inhibit coughing as factors that make it beneficial for some patients. Turns out, cannabis actually does the opposite of tobacco smoke in that it expands, rather than constricts bronchial passageways.
You can find studies about weed that claim pretty much anything. People here actually believe weed straight up cures cancer when that is completely false.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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yes but i know this from experience. i have an incredibly hard time breathing but the trepenes(or something) help me catch my breath instantly. all i have to do is smell weed and my airways are opened and i can breath. i have had this issue since i was young and didn't even noticed how much it help my breathing until i had been smoking for years.
the thc from smoking it helps a lot too..
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OsculateOfDemise said: With kratom though you have to dose and wait...and even then the effects are rather timid. Granted kratom does wonders for my motivation and anxiety that weed has never done.
But theres something just so simple and easy about taking a few hits to help my sleep, ease my pain or nausea. Kratom can't even top that.
They are very different drugs used for very different purposes.
sometimes the subtler the effect the more pronounced it's effect. Kratom is good for that. plus it's alot less expensive than weed, and usually doesn't over power.
Eh, I don't pay for weed so kratom is kind of expensive to me.
well, it's got a particularly different usage than weed, regardless. i use more weed than i do Kratom. i don't burn out from Kratom either, it's just got a nice perkup-effect from after use, like most Opiates.
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the thc from smoking it helps a lot too..
Smelling weed won't help your breathing bud.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Says you...
I just explained i have a problem catching my breath from asthma and the smell of weed opens my air ways and i can catch my breath.
who are you to tell me something don't work for me.
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I just explained i have a problem catching my breath from asthma and the smell of weed opens my air ways and i can catch my breath.
who are you to tell me something don't work for me.
Placebo. You want it to be true so it is.
Smelling weed will do diddly squat for your airways. If you want any effect you need to smoke it buddy.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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believe what you want.
I know it works for me.
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Um... no.... have you ever heard of menthol? Eucalyptus? etc? Cannabis is the same way. When you smell it, you are inhaling terpene molecules which have an effect on both the body and the mind.
When you smell vicks vaporub and it opens your airways, you are inhaling those molecules into your lungs, which soothes them and opens them. There are thousands of compounds like that responsible for smells in plants, which are usually in lipids.
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Even in the medical community, there has long been debate over whether or not cannabis is helpful for asthma patients when smoked. Asthma is a chronic inflammatory disease and cannabis is a known anti-inflammatory, so could the benefits outweigh the smoking risk? Studies on the pro side cite THC’s ability to dilate respiratory passages and inhibit coughing as factors that make it beneficial for some patients. Turns out, cannabis actually does the opposite of tobacco smoke in that it expands, rather than constricts bronchial passageways.
You can find studies about weed that claim pretty much anything. People here actually believe weed straight up cures cancer when that is completely false.
It does. THC does. Google yourself some medical studies on how
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Smoking it is super bad for your lungs.
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Are you "super" sure about that?
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Any smoke is bad for your lungs. They were not designed to be inhaling smoke of any kind.
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Its the orally consumed constituents that are healing. Juiced raw cannabis is actually non psychoactive. Smoking anything is probably not all that good for your lungs. (I still do it tho) Doesnt make the plant any less noble. Thats like saying a hammer isnt good at its function of pounding nails just because it hurts if you choose whack your face with it.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Oeric McKenna]
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Plus there is way more tar in weed smoke and it has over 400 carcinogens which cause cancer.
Just saying inhaling any smoke is dangerous and can lead to health problems.
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haha I know smoking is bad its just when someone uses the word "super" all I hear it in my head with a lisp.
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Bitter Cactus said: Plus there is way more tar in weed smoke and it has over 400 carcinogens which cause cancer.
Just saying inhaling any smoke is dangerous and can lead to health problems.
now you are losing me.
that is all false info. its the same propaganda they have been spewing for years.
the only time I see that piece of info is by the most misinformed people when it comes to cannabis.
that's all.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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luckily I would literally trade in my lungs for a lifetime of peace. Many people vape now
I smoke
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Bitter Cactus said: Any smoke is bad for your lungs. They were not designed to be inhaling smoke of any kind.
Mine were.
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Bro, weed smoke has more tar then cigarette smoke but you smoke less weed then cigarettes but there is still more tar.
Weed contains many carcinogens, less then cigarettes, but they are still present and cause cancer.
Inhaling smoke is bad for your lungs. I don't care what you say it is bad for your lungs and health to smoke weed.
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"Weed" has anti-carcinogenic properties.
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It actually contains over four hundred carcinogens when you smoke it which is how people use it like 99 percent of the time.
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Whoah buddy... containing carcinogens and production of carcinogenic compounds when combusted are completely different things. No flame, no carcinogens.
Fact: Cannabis contains potent anti-carcinogens
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tobacco doesn't have anti-carcinogenic properties.
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Weed smoke contains lots of carcinogens. Don't even lie dude people ingest it by smoking it the vast majority of the time. Carcinogens and tar are what you inhale when you smoke a joint. Those are not good for your health and carcinogens are cancer causing chemicals.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Holy shit then dont smoke it fella.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: I'd rather get drunk then stoned any day.
I'd rather combine them. Pretty boring one without the other unless you get REAL drunk. & Then I just start chainsmoking tobacco
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Sheekle said: I stopped smoking regularly over 2 years ago, life has been awesome since.
Weed sucks, it's extremely over-priced and makes me awkward as fuck.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Oeric McKenna]
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Rolling is an artform
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I can only think that you guys are smoking much worse quality weed than you think you are
I can't smoke this crap they have around this area, it does exactly what you people are in here saying, anxiety etc.
but, years ago there was this home grown weed and man.. it was like smoking vitamins, every smoke got you clearer, feeling better, feeling actually "higher"
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: cube talk]
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Yeah, that's high THC weed. Not that it can't have the same effect as any other weed, it just seems to be more consistent. Crappy weed gives me a headache and makes me tired. THC is definitely a different beast than the mixture of shit in buds.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: Weed smoke contains lots of carcinogens. Don't even lie dude people ingest it by smoking it the vast majority of the time. Carcinogens and tar are what you inhale when you smoke a joint. Those are not good for your health and carcinogens are cancer causing chemicals.
Then explain to me, how come so many people get cancer from smoking cigarettes but from smoking weed it's basically unheard of? Or how come studies show that people who smoke both cigarettes and weed will live longer than people who just smoke cigarettes?
There are old religious Indian dudes who smoke weed all day every day like it's their job, how come they aren't all dying of cancer?
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: OhMrJohnson]
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God I hate these weed bashing threads.
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Bitter Cactus said: Weed smoke contains lots of carcinogens. Don't even lie dude people ingest it by smoking it the vast majority of the time. Carcinogens and tar are what you inhale when you smoke a joint. Those are not good for your health and carcinogens are cancer causing chemicals.
Weed carcinogens are different than that in tabacco carcinogens and absolutely do not cause cancer this was proven in 2005 At the university of Saskatchewan.
You smoke twice a day and your bitching about not getting high anymore after years of doing that? It's called Tolerance bud, maybe you should quite smoking for a bit. A lot of hard core people on here always preach about how weed makes them anxious and makes them awkward, for fucks sake it's not for you then! Go smoke some meth and so you can feel less awkward because there are plenty of people who use it responsibly and love it, all your doing by bashing it is making this whole thing go backwards.
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My friends made the smoking fun three years ago. They were the reason for all the good times, more so than the weed alone. The enjoyment I get from smoking now, alone, is negligible to nonexistent, but its been beneficial and has helped me. Weed got me over my weed obsession, to a point where I dont "need" it (I never did), so I just haven't bothered with it for a week and feel pretty good atm. I cant recreate that same enjoyment from the past by smoking alone, so Im gonna stop hoping for it, and trying, and just move on.
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Yeah this is a good point. Back in high school when you're ditching class with your friends and being mischievous is when I got the most enjoyment out of smoking. Now that I can basically just do it at my leisure in my apartment, its really lost the magic. Now that I'm almost done with college I don't really see myself smoking as often as I do now. Hopefully I'll have a real job and will be making the kind of money where I can actually go on vacations and stuff like that.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: akira_akuma]
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opiates took the fun out for me
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: Bro, weed smoke has more tar then cigarette smoke but you smoke less weed then cigarettes but there is still more tar.
Weed contains many carcinogens, less then cigarettes, but they are still present and cause cancer.
Inhaling smoke is bad for your lungs. I don't care what you say it is bad for your lungs and health to smoke weed.
Wait, so this guy is seriously going to promote smoking meth and then go on to express his unconfirmed opinions about cannabis, all of which have been recently disproved by scientific research..
You are seriously misinformed. I can't help but attribute this to your meth induced paranoia and confusion. Cannabis something that is grown in nature, which is a medicinal plant that actually cures cancer instead of causing it..
In my opinion, your statements are therefor discredited.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Purplecapz]
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Yea I know he was spewing shit about marijuana that has been disproved years ago and most the thing he was saying probably came right out of the Reagan propaganda about weed lol like word for word
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Meth heads don't like weed because it makes them sketchy. I could be tweaking for days no problem, but the second I start smoking weed while spun things get wEiRd
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This is such an ass backward way of looking at it lol to each their own, but please stop spreading misinformation it's just hurting the cause.
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She's talking from experience, so I don't think that counts as misinformation.
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I don't know if that was directed at me but I am not spreading any misinformation.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: D.M.T]
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I was directing that towards bitter cactus, all she said was things get weird when you smoke meth and weed.
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OsculateOfDemise said: Meth heads don't like weed because it makes them sketchy. I could be tweaking for days no problem, but the second I start smoking weed while spun things get wEiRd
Makes sense
Similar to how a lot of hard alcoholics don't like to smoke pot, because it just gives them the spins and pushes them over the edge.
Personally, I don't like meth, I'd much rather take the mellow and euphoric marijuana buzz, with its slight edge of borderline psychedelic mindfuck, to keep things interesting, any day of the week. But I'm just not a person who enjoys stimulants. I could see how stimulants + pot could be a bad combination. When I used to drink a lot of coffee, smoking pot could be a really bad idea. And we all know how much it can potentiate psychedelics.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
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I remember on the 3rd day of a meth binge i was getting pretty paranoid.
Smoking some weed actually calmed me down and helped me realize that i was having delusions.
Weed helped end the meth psychosis for me, I was able to fall asleep not long after smoking.
Also, the only meth head that i have ever known was also a huge stoner
just throwing in my 2 cents because my experience is pretty much a 180 compared to OOD's
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I love it on stimulants but it's not good for working because you get loopy. Very euphoric!
My brother on the contrary gets headaches and feelings of 'pressure'
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
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If the problem is that you're not having fun when you smoke weed anymore, trust me, it isn't the drug. It is you and your lifestyle. It can happen without weed too. If all you do is sit around at watch tv, you get bored.
If you are having problems with anxiety flaring up when you smoke many people quit at that point, but if you still kinda like weed minus the anxiety there are some things you can do to help cope with this.
-Drink water/eat food -Take 10 slow deep breaths (just do it, it works) -Go for a walk or run -Don't smoke when you have responsibilities you have to take care of and are neglecting -Don't let people push you into smoking more than you like to smoke -Basically just do something you enjoy, it's that simple really. Computer TV aren't inherently bad as long as you're enjoying it and not just doing it because that is what you always do.
When you start smoking just the act of smoking weed alone is like doing something. It doesn't stay like that for long though. You've still got to do things in your life if you don't want to become a bored and depressed. People were meant to be out there moving around and doing things, don't just sit on the computer/in front of the TV all day.
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I remember on the 3rd day of a meth binge i was getting pretty paranoid.
Smoking some weed actually calmed me down and helped me realize that i was having delusions.
Weed helped end the meth psychosis for me, I was able to fall asleep not long after smoking.
Also, the only meth head that i have ever known was also a huge stoner
just throwing in my 2 cents because my experience is pretty much a 180 compared to OOD's
That's interesting....whenever I smoked weed while spun (and after up for days) it made me way more paranoid. I would get more audio hallucinations and even see patterns and static in the air. Made things a lot more trippy and not in a good way.
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Bitter Cactus said: Weed smoke contains lots of carcinogens. Don't even lie dude people ingest it by smoking it the vast majority of the time. Carcinogens and tar are what you inhale when you smoke a joint. Those are not good for your health and carcinogens are cancer causing chemicals.
Weed carcinogens are different than that in tabacco carcinogens and absolutely do not cause cancer this was proven in 2005 At the university of Saskatchewan.
You smoke twice a day and your bitching about not getting high anymore after years of doing that? It's called Tolerance bud, maybe you should quite smoking for a bit. A lot of hard core people on here always preach about how weed makes them anxious and makes them awkward, for fucks sake it's not for you then! Go smoke some meth and so you can feel less awkward because there are plenty of people who use it responsibly and love it, all your doing by bashing it is making this whole thing go backwards.

this is what BC lives for - bashing weed, throwing out misinformation, and asserting opinion or anecdotal "evidence" as fact.
The "400 times more carcinogens than tobacco" is a perfect example. It comes straight from the reefer madness style bad science offered up during Reagan-era war on drugs propaganda; in this case it sounds exactly like an old study which compared the carcinogen content of MJ fan leaves to tobacco, instead of the parts people actually use.
Don't like it? Don't use it, but the constant attempts to "educate" all the poor misinformed weed smokers is so fucking tired. So many straw-men constructed, logical fallacies asserted, and legitimate scientific findings denied. Get over it already.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Void_Hawk]
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No bud cannabis smoke contains carcinogens get over yourself.
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Bitter Cactus said: I personally think weed is the cause of many people's social anxiety. It is the antisocial drug.
I agree to an extent...because theres some people that gets effected totally opposite! they become so talkative, relaxed, energized..etc. Its like some mystery to me because I have no idea how its so extreme on both sides. Its really like one or the other.
I know McKenna was one of the talkative. I have a couple of friends that got very talkative as well.
I think its like a 90% quiet..reserved.. and 10% extremely talkative.
and no...the strains do not matter 1 bit in this case.
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Bitter Cactus said: No bud cannabis smoke contains carcinogens get over yourself.
Cannabis smoke contains many tars, yes.
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The talkative people are usually the posers that don't even inhale and keep asking if they are high every five seconds.
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Please stop trolling, it is getting old as fuck
I get talkative and I can assure you I inhale quite deeply and don't ask (myself) every 5 minutes if I am high.
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Bitter Cactus said: No bud cannabis smoke contains carcinogens get over yourself.
Here you illustrate part of your MO that is so annoying. I never claimed MJ had no carcinogens, I claim that your numbers were wrong, and that in this case and others past, you offer unsupported and demonstrably incorrect information/opinion as "fact".
When called out on you simply move the goalposts and address something that was never in question to begin with. So what is it? Trolling, intellectual laziness, inability to follow a conversation? Some combination I would imagine.
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That's not true, man.
but im sure theres some cases of that
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Bitter Cactus said: No bud cannabis smoke contains carcinogens get over yourself.
Nicotine alters the mechanism responsible for cleaning up the lungs of mucus (tars).
THC does not. It's a bronchodilator.
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Honestly when I smoke now, it's to hang around this girl I like to match. Very lame I know
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Fuck her while you smoke a blunt
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I plan on trying Nitrous while getting head soon. I wanna know what it would be like to cum right as I inhale that sweet sweet hippie crack
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I get my girlfriend to suck my cock while I smoke weed all the time. It's just so relaxing. 
I return the favour of course.
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Bitter Cactus said: No bud cannabis smoke contains carcinogens get over yourself.
Are you seriously just stupid or do you not care? I told it definitely contains carcinogens but it was proven over ten years ago that they are different than tobacco smoke and do not cause cancer.
There is plenty of research to support that cannabis carcinogens may have and adverse effect on cancer cells and actually be able to cure cancer.
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Blowen & Blowen
Smoking a joint (blowen in Dutch) whilst getting head
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Bitter Cactus said: No bud cannabis smoke contains carcinogens get over yourself.
Are you seriously just stupid or do you not care? I told it definitely contains carcinogens but it was proven over ten years ago that they are different than tobacco smoke and do not cause cancer.
There is plenty of research to support that cannabis carcinogens may have and adverse effect on cancer cells and actually be able to cure cancer.
He's retarded, put him on ignore, that's what I'm going to do.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
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And make sure to rate him, too.
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Bitter Cactus said: There is plenty of research to support that cannabis carcinogens may have and adverse effect on cancer cells and actually be able to cure cancer.
Not true, although the carcinogens in cannabis smoke are generally much safer than tobacco smoke. Cannabis smoke has carcinogens in it and they MUST cause cancer because that is what carcinogen means.
But the chemicals in cannabis can slow, stop, and even reverse cancer itself.
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There is zero proof cannabis cures any cancer in humans tho. There have been no clinical trials and the studies they have done have been with animal cells in petri dishes with high concentrations of THC. Often drugs show promise to cure cancer with the animal cells in petri dishes but do fuck all in the clinical trials. There is no evidence that proves cannabis cures cancer in humans. It helps with the symptoms and that is it.
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No studies at all?
"A new study by Salazar et al. in The Journal of Clinical Investigation demonstrates that THC causes tumor cells to begin to degrade themselves from the inside (a process called autophagy, i.e. “self-eating”). Although autophagy has been shown to promote cell survival in some cases and cell death in others, the authors show that in this case it causes cancer cells to undergo programmed cell death (apoptosis). Thus, THC activates a series of events within cancer cells, inhibiting tumor growth."
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"A new study by Salazar et al. in The Journal of Clinical Investigation demonstrates that THC causes tumor cells to begin to degrade themselves from the inside (a process called autophagy, i.e. “self-eating”). Although autophagy has been shown to promote cell survival in some cases and cell death in others, the authors show that in this case it causes cancer cells to undergo programmed cell death (apoptosis). Thus, THC activates a series of events within cancer cells, inhibiting tumor growth."
Absolutely zero clinical studies in humans that say that THC cures cancer.
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"Autophagy can promote cell survival or cell death, but the molecular basis underlying its dual role in cancer remains obscure. Here we demonstrate that delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main active component of marijuana, induces human glioma cell death through stimulation of autophagy. Our data indicate that THC induced ceramide accumulation and eukaryotic translation initiation factor 2alpha (eIF2alpha) phosphorylation and thereby activated an ER stress response that promoted autophagy via tribbles homolog 3-dependent (TRB3-dependent) inhibition of the Akt/mammalian target of rapamycin complex 1 (mTORC1) axis. We also showed that autophagy is upstream of apoptosis in cannabinoid-induced human and mouse cancer cell death and that activation of this pathway was necessary for the antitumor action of cannabinoids in vivo. These findings describe a mechanism by which THC can promote the autophagic death of human and mouse cancer cells and provide evidence that cannabinoid administration may be an effective therapeutic strategy for targeting human cancers."
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"A new study by Salazar et al. in The Journal of Clinical Investigation demonstrates that THC causes tumor cells to begin to degrade themselves from the inside (a process called autophagy, i.e. “self-eating”). Although autophagy has been shown to promote cell survival in some cases and cell death in others, the authors show that in this case it causes cancer cells to undergo programmed cell death (apoptosis). Thus, THC activates a series of events within cancer cells, inhibiting tumor growth."
Absolutely zero clinical studies in humans that say that THC cures cancer.
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Trichome_Delta9 said: "Autophagy can promote cell survival or cell death, but the molecular basis underlying its dual role in cancer remains obscure. Here we demonstrate that delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main active component of marijuana, induces human glioma cell death through stimulation of autophagy. Our data indicate that THC induced ceramide accumulation and eukaryotic translation initiation factor 2alpha (eIF2alpha) phosphorylation and thereby activated an ER stress response that promoted autophagy via tribbles homolog 3-dependent (TRB3-dependent) inhibition of the Akt/mammalian target of rapamycin complex 1 (mTORC1) axis. We also showed that autophagy is upstream of apoptosis in cannabinoid-induced human and mouse cancer cell death and that activation of this pathway was necessary for the antitumor action of cannabinoids in vivo. These findings describe a mechanism by which THC can promote the autophagic death of human and mouse cancer cells and provide evidence that cannabinoid administration may be an effective therapeutic strategy for targeting human cancers."
Those studies were not done in clinical trials with humans. Read closer buddy.
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"The researchers found that administering THC to mice with human tumors initiated autophagy and caused the growth of the tumors to decrease. Two human patients with highly aggressive brain tumors who received intracranial administration of THC also showed similar signs of autophagy, upon analysis"
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Two people? Hardly enough of a sample to form any conclusions.
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Holy fuck man just give it up.
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Dude you're deep in denial.... some think you're trolling, I think you're just that ignorant.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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4th result down on a google search
http://norml.org/library/item/gliomascancer
Proof cannabis cures cancer in humans
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
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Read the article the studies were done on animals buddy.
There are no legitimate clinical trials on humans today that prove cannabis cures cancer.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: Read the article the studies were done on animals buddy.
There are no legitimate clinical trials on humans today that prove cannabis cures cancer.
Despite the overwhelming evidence that it does suppress growth, you expect the FDA and big pharma to actively promote the fact? Not gonna happen.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Cure-relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition.
sounds like a cure to me.....
make sure you know the actual definition bitter boy.
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There are no clinical studies on humans that prove cannabis cures cancer.
The studies you read are based off of animal cells in petri dishes with huge concentrations of THC. Studies done this way often show promise in the lab but when it comes to more complex cells in humans they fail.
I wish cannabis cured cancer in humans like everyone here but that is simply so far from reality that it's not even funny. We have no cure for cancer today.
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The studies you read are based off of animal cells in petri dishes with huge concentrations of THC. Studies done this way often show promise in the lab but when it comes to more complex cells in humans they fail.
The mental benefits along are worth it.
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The most cannabis does for people with cancer is helps them get through the chemo. Otherwise it does nothing to shrink tumors or cure your cancer. You should probably go to a doctor if you want your tumor to go away.
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I'm a disabled vet. Suffered a major TBI.
12 medication from veterans affairs. Not any more.
Cannabis does a better job then anything prescribe. I no longer take pharmaceuticals thanks to a plant.
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Are you saying it relieves the symptoms....
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sounds like a cure to me.....
make sure you know the actual definition bitter boy.
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Trichome_Delta9 said: Cure-relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition.
sounds like a cure to me.....
make sure you know the actual definition bitter boy.
It relieves the symptoms of the chemo and probably the side effects of whatever cancer you have. At the end of the day it does nothing to cure the actual cancer buddy.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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Bitter Cactus said: Read the article the studies were done on animals buddy.
There are no legitimate clinical trials on humans today that prove cannabis cures cancer.
Give me a fucking break dude 
You're really reaching to hang on to your stupid argument. Why don't you show us some studies where meth did any good for anybody, other than short term stimulation. People smoke pot their entire lives and die old and happy - and on top of that, it's been shown in studies to reverse the growth of tumors! People smoke meth their entire lives and look like fucking methheads with sunken cheeks, pockmarks, a receding jawline and teeth ground down to nubs - good luck with that.
Any argument you've made against the cancer fighting properties of marijuana has purely been biased horse shit - for whatever little reason every piece of evidence that is shown to you doesn't "qualify", as if you can write a 20 word sentence that dismisses all of the research that went into these studies. Typical meth head pretzel logic.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
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Weed does not cure cancer in humans. Ask any doctor there is no medical evidence in clinical trials with actual people that says so.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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See, you're just doing the same shit again, I'm done. Go smoke some meth.
Think about it, stupid. If it reverses cancer sell growth in ANY mammal, thats HUGE. Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe it hasn't been specifically shown to do so in humans. But in making that statement, you're completely dismissing the reality which is that pot shrunk tumors in mammals in studies. You're like a Holocaust denier, it's so illogical.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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What is your definition of "cure" exactly?
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
#21763802 - 06/04/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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drr said: See, you're just doing the same shit again, I'm done. Go smoke some meth.
Think about it, stupid. If it reverses cancer sell growth in ANY mammal, thats HUGE. Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe it hasn't been specifically shown to do so in humans. But in making that statement, you're completely dismissing the reality which is that pot shrunk tumors in mammals in studies. You're like a Holocaust denier, it's so illogical.
Haven't done meth or any illegal drugs for at least a year bud.
Based on your quote, it sounds like you are saying that weed cures some cancer cells in animals. Congrats, but please do not say weed cures cancer in humans. The only studies have been done on rats or cells in a petri dish and those are not real people.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764020 - 06/04/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21764024 - 06/04/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21764052 - 06/04/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
#21764061 - 06/04/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gottaloveacid said: Dude, you really are fucking dumb. That article I linked showed human trials, not fucking animals.
I guess I will just start linking a shit load of human based studies showing cannabis curing cancer
Brain Cancer
http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v95/n2/abs/6603236a.html
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/308/3/838.abstract
http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/10/1/90.abstract
Breast cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20859676
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/early/2006/05/25/jpet.106.105247
http://www.molecular-cancer.com/content/9/1/196
http://www.pnas.org/content/95/14/8375.full.pdf+html
Lung cancer
http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v27/n3/abs/1210641a.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22198381?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21097714?dopt=Abstract
Prostate cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12746841?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3339795/?tool=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22594963
Blood cancer
http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/70/5/1612.abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.23584/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16908594
Mouth cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20516734
Liver cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475304
Pancreatic cancer
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/66/13/6748.abstract
THESE ARE ALL HUMAN STUDIES. Now will you please fuck off with the bullshit lies you spread every day on the forums? People believe what they read, and when they read wrong information, they believe it is true. That is how religion started
Wow, thank you for doing the work that the rest of us were too lazy to do.
Bitter cactus, if your response isn't a complete 180 from before, you're a complete moron.
Those are human cells not clinical trials. There have been no clinical trials with humans on cannabis curing cancer.
Show me one study or quote from a study saying they had a large sample of humans with cancer and used cannabis to treat the cancer and it cured the cancer. There are no such studies.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764067 - 06/05/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No... read closely they use the word patients in nearly every one of those studies...
And even if that was the case, then it still means cannabis cures cancer in humans. You were previously claiming that all the studies are just animal studies, obviously that was bullshit.
You are just so delusional/ignorant/stupid it makes my head hurt
People come to this site for information that is in some way correct. When you tell people weed is nothing but bad and has no values worth considering you are wrong and you are just the type of scum that is preventing legalization
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21764071 - 06/05/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764078 - 06/05/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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- Virtually all the scientific research investigating whether cannabinoids can treat cancer has been done using cancer cells grown in the lab or animal models. It’s important to be cautious when extrapolating these results up to real live patients, who tend to be a lot more complex than a Petri dish or a mouse.
- For example, some researchers have found that although high doses of THC can kill cancer cells, they also harm crucial blood vessel cells, although this may help their anti-cancer effect by preventing blood vessels growing into a tumour. And under some circumstances, cannabinoids can actually encourage cancer cells to grow, or have different effects depending on the dosage and levels of cannabinoid receptors present on the cancer cells
- Others have discovered that activating CB2 receptors may actually interfere with the ability of the immune system to recognise and destroy tumour cells, although some scientists have found that certain synthetic cannabinoids may enhance immune defences against cancer.
- Clinical research
But that’s the lab – what about clinical research involving people with cancer? Results have been published from only one clinical trial testing whether cannabinoids can treat cancer in patients, led by Dr Manuel Guzman and his team in Spain. Nine people with advanced, terminal glioblastoma multiforme – an aggressive brain tumour – were given highly purified THC through a tube directly into their brain.
Eight people’s cancers showed some kind of response to the treatment, and one didn’t respond at all. All the patients died within a year, as might be expected for people with cancer this advanced.
- At the moment, there simply isn’t enough evidence to prove that cannabinoids – whether natural or synthetic – works to treat cancer in patients, although research is ongoing. And there’s certainly no evidence that ‘street’ cannabis can treat cancer.
Wow basically that article says the only clinical trial was done with nine people with cancer and they all ended up dying.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764083 - 06/05/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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One clinical study with nine people that all had cancer and ended up dying totally proves cannabis cures cancer..
Not!
Let's wait until there are proper clinical trials until we form any conclusions guys.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764109 - 06/05/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Obviously cannabis isn't enough to kill all cancers with a high success rate. It cannot help a patient if the cancer is large in size, or if the patient is terminally ill.
Cannabis is a very effective drug for preventing cancer more so than curing it because taking the drug will target cancerous tumors right as they start to grow, but again if the cancer is too aggressive it cannot completely stop it.
It is just common logic man. Obviously it doesn't have a very high success rate because it isn't enough to battle aggressive cancers. But that doesn't mean that it can't help prevent and even cure less aggressive cancers effectively. That is partly why you see a lot more cigarette smokers getting cancer than cannabis smokers.
What we need to do is take notes from the research done on humans to develop drugs that work on the same binding sites as cannabis to make a drug that more effectively targets cancer cells.
My whole point is it is very ignorant to 1) say cannabis can't cure some cancers and 2) try to argue against medical studies because it isn't highly effective
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21764126 - 06/05/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gottaloveacid said: Obviously cannabis isn't enough to kill all cancers with a high success rate. It cannot help a patient if the cancer is large in size, or if the patient is terminally ill.
Cannabis is a very effective drug for preventing cancer more so than curing it because taking the drug will target cancerous tumors right as they start to grow, but again if the cancer is too aggressive it cannot completely stop it.
It is just common logic man. Obviously it doesn't have a very high success rate because it isn't enough to battle aggressive cancers. But that doesn't mean that it can't help prevent and even cure less aggressive cancers effectively. That is partly why you see a lot more cigarette smokers getting cancer than cannabis smokers.
What we need to do is take notes from the research done on humans to develop drugs that work on the same binding sites as cannabis to make a drug that more effectively targets cancer cells.
My whole point is it is very ignorant to 1) say cannabis can't cure some cancers and 2) try to argue against medical studies because it isn't highly effective
There is absolutely no proof that cannabis cures cancer in humans. Give me a quote from one of your links that says that they conducted a clinical trial with a minimum of a hundred people that proves cannabis cures cancer in people. So you are jumping to conclusions based off of studies done with cells in animals and in a lab. Like I told you many many treatments show promise in the animal cells only to fail in clinical trials. Until there are legitimate clinical trials we will never know.
Honestly lots of people use weed and die of cancer just like everyone else. If there were any correlation you would see weed smokers with less cancer then the rest of the population. The only reason everyone says that cannabis cures cancer is that they like the idea of it and it gives them another reason to legalize it. However those claims are completely false and I know they can't do clinical trials because it is illegal but at the same time you shouldn't jump to conclusions without anything to support your wild claims.
Let's wait until there are clinical trials to say weed cures cancer, until then I will call bullshit on you every time.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764198 - 06/05/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can we get BC banned already? 
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Bitter Cactus said: The only reason everyone says that cannabis cures cancer is that they like the idea of it and it gives them another reason to legalize it.
Kind of like the only reason why you stubbornly argue against it is becouse you clearly are biased...
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: musiclover420]
#21764245 - 06/05/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nope, find me a clinical study with a hundred people minimum where they are cured from cancer and I will shake your hand and agree with you.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764280 - 06/05/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah becouse clinical trials are what make something true or not 
Cannabis has been used for thousands of years for an incredibly wide range of applications.
We don't have to prove shit to you, you clearly don't want to hear it anyways.
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Bitter Cactus said: I know they can't do clinical trials because it is illegal
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Bitter Cactus said: Nope, find me a clinical study


Maybe if people like you weren't so skeptical it would never have been made illegal and we would already have all the studies you seek to "prove" it for yourself.
Meanwhile all the people who have benefited from it for the past 5-10,000+ years clearly don't matter since its "anecdotal" or some shit. Not to mention all the people using it now.
I have even known people who make extracts for cancer patients...
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: musiclover420]
#21764373 - 06/05/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly bud, there are no clinical trials.
The laws are fucked, but it is what it is.
The reason a clinical study is necessary to say cannabis cures cancer in humans is because you need to test cannabis on real fricking people to know if it will cure the cancer in people. It is not that complicated.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: musiclover420]
#21764402 - 06/05/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: because you need to test cannabis on real fricking people to know if it will cure the cancer in people. It is not that complicated.
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musiclover420 said: Cannabis has been used for thousands of years for an incredibly wide range of applications.
all the people who have benefited from it for the past 5-10,000+ years clearly don't matter since its "anecdotal" or some shit. Not to mention all the people using it now....
I have even known people who make extracts for cancer patients...
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: musiclover420]
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People who even say something "cures cancer" generally don't understand cancer or cancer treatment. I think people just say that because it is less syllables than trying to explain all the ways it has proven to be beneficial, and the limits it has in treatment.
Also, even if we're talking "animal testing", humans are animals as far as I'm concerned. I know the religious folks here might dispute that but lets leave that for another day. When they put a human cancer inside another mammal, and are able to effectively treat that cancer, that is generally a good sign and not something to throw away as totally bogus information.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21765002 - 06/05/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: There are no clinical studies on humans that prove cannabis cures cancer.
The studies you read are based off of animal cells in petri dishes with huge concentrations of THC. Studies done this way often show promise in the lab but when it comes to more complex cells in humans they fail.
I wish cannabis cured cancer in humans like everyone here but that is simply so far from reality that it's not even funny. We have no cure for cancer today.
Do you read a fucking thing anyone posts? This reminds me of when you got banned for being a dickhead the first time, then you came off your ban and one of the first things you said is about how you read an article about how they are using weed to help with seizures in kids. Then I pointed out how much of a fucking hypocrite you were and guess what? You never responded. Meanwhile, people spent days and days explaining this shit to you.
At this point, there's no other option other than you're a sad little meth head who gets his kicks by making other people as miserable as he is.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21765415 - 06/05/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said:
Let's wait until there are proper clinical trials until we form any conclusions guys.
Haha take your own advise. You've obviously reached the conclusion that it doesn't and where is your clinical trial proof? Dumbass.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21765446 - 06/05/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea I know but still... God damn lol
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21765449 - 06/05/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Nope, find me a clinical study with a hundred people minimum where they are cured from cancer and I will shake your hand and agree with you.
that not how anything ever works.
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