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D.M.T
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753212 - 06/02/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: Kratom is the ex stoner drug. It is for those that are looking for something better that you can use every day and feel good, happy, social and energized. Kratom has way more medicinal benefit IMO. The only difference is that a weed high is multiple times stronger then a kratom high.
I've tried to enjoy kratom, but the stomach pain it gives me is just too intense. I may give it another whirl as I have a bunch left, but I just haven't been able to get the dosage right.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Sheekle]
#21753214 - 06/02/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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"The stoners told me it would make me relaxed and take away my anxiety. They said it would calm my mind down and help me relax. What happened when I had my first toke was immediate panic, intense anxiety and inability to communicate with anyone around me. I just wanted it to stop."
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Matt87]
#21753247 - 06/02/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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did you graduate high school? did you get a degree? nope. Weeds a motivation and ambition killer. We tell our children not to use drugs and here we are legalizing them. Wrong message.
Although when it comes to harm reduction is it much less dangerous than the legal garbage. The legal shit is the worst. fucking retards. Alcohol is the biggest money maker in the world. Brings in more money than oil and the internets. No matter what is happening in the economy alcohol will be there. and the worse it gets the more people will buy it
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: sprinkles]
#21753393 - 06/02/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Weed motivates me. I do use it to self-medicate my depression or whatever else my brain has. So it works well for myself.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: sprinkles]
#21753396 - 06/02/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I really don't smoking anymore either. I haven't in a few weeks and I feel great. Definitely easier than I thought it was gonna be
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21753451 - 06/02/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People say weed doesn't demotivate them and make them anxious. My attitude is that is bullshit.
You have to fight the tiredness and the anxiety it gives you. Those are simply the effects.
If you want something that is motivating and calming try kratom. The effects will make you feel that way themselves.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753456 - 06/02/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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How come kratom has always made me want to take a nap?
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753463 - 06/02/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I started smoki ng everyday again, but I literally just take a few good hits, it actually peps me up and makes me more active suprisingly, I see that doesn't do that to everyone though, I don't believe in it unmotivating people either, just my opinion though
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#21753481 - 06/02/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: People say weed doesn't demotivate them and make them anxious. My attitude is that is bullshit.
You have to fight the tiredness and the anxiety it gives you. Those are simply the effects.
If you want something that is motivating and calming try kratom. The effects will make you feel that way themselves.
Maybe you get lazy because your attitude is bullshit?
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: D.M.T]
#21753495 - 06/02/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: How come kratom has always made me want to take a nap?
High doses of kratom make you tired, low doses energized. Red vein is more sedating, white vein is more energizing. Overall tho it is like a relaxant and an energizing thing in one. Like a baby speedball.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: nastynaven]
#21753506 - 06/02/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tone and degree of mental effect is largely strain dependent. The expression and strength of its potential effects are based on how it is grown. If you wanted something inspiring, but relaxing and euphoric, you could get a nice indica like the bubblegum, and blast it into some wax. That'd concentrate the main essence of its effect. 2 rips and you'd be soaring but never paranoid. The vibe is "everything is fine".
There are varieties that would not make you paranoid, and others less likely to make you tired.
Likewise, I could tell you strains that would likely send you on a fear coaster like the og18, or put you down for a nap like the midnight kush.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753507 - 06/02/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's what they say but I only take low doses (~3 grams) because it hurts my stomach too much. Green, red, white vein, I've found the effects to be the same. Tis unfortunate because I was hoping for the energy but I've only had it make me sick and demotivate me like weed.
Kava on the other hand I've found is pretty good for working, as well as alcohol.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753512 - 06/02/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: People say weed doesn't demotivate them and make them anxious. My attitude is that is bullshit.
You have to fight the tiredness and the anxiety it gives you. Those are simply the effects.
If you want something that is motivating and calming try kratom. The effects will make you feel that way themselves.
Weed makes me do shit.
Krat makes me want to do nothing.
Weed doesn't make me tired or anxious. For someone who says he avoids weed like the plague, you pretend to know an aweful lot, especially considering you can't handle the high.
In fact, you were bragging when you got a ritalin script and talking about how much it changed your life. I've never met a person who enjoyed having a script. They all sold it for things that don't suck.
So I can safely conclude that much like in your annoying little anti-weed rants that we all hoped were in the past, you don't know shit.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: D.M.T]
#21753548 - 06/02/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: That's what they say but I only take low doses (~3 grams) because it hurts my stomach too much. Green, red, white vein, I've found the effects to be the same. Tis unfortunate because I was hoping for the energy but I've only had it make me sick and demotivate me like weed.
Kava on the other hand I've found is pretty good for working, as well as alcohol.
Try mixing the kratom into yogurt the straight leaf is hard on the stomach bro.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21753555 - 06/02/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's actually what I do. My stomach is just not cut out for opiates / things that work on opioid receptors. I've puked twice in my life from drugs, once from way too much alcohol (nearly lethal amount) and once from two 7.5 Lortabs.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: D.M.T]
#21753641 - 06/02/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I first smoked around 9 years ago. It has changed quite a bit but so have I.
Alot of people i know who used to smoke everyday no longer smoke because they say it gives them anxiety and paranoia.
Weed has always given me anxiety and paranoia, its part of the high IMO
I really feel like these people (that i know in real life) are just using weed to feel good. They use drugs to escape reality.
I feel like these people dont like weed anymore because they cant use it to escape their problems anymore. In fact, it magnifies their problems, causing anxiety and paranoia.
I have always felt like the anxiety and paranoia are just part of the high and i embrace these feelings and actually find them enjoyable most of the time. Its just part of getting high. Some level of anxiety and paranoia helps keeps you aware of your surroundings.
Weed seems just as good, if not better, than it always has been for me
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take a day or two off if that don't work take a longer tolerance break. /thread
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Bitter Cactus
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I wonder what weed does to the brain long term that changes such an initially enjoyable high into such a shitty, paranoid and anxiety/ panic ridden experience.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Sheekle] 1
#21753799 - 06/02/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder if weed HELPS all types of anxiety if you have it normally and it CREATES anxiety if you normally don't have it all the time.
Personally, when sober I am EXTREMELY anxious and always feel like I am dying or something (if I have a pain or ache) and it is not possible for me to meet new people. I fear people I don't know well so much, it fucking sucks.
But when I blaze up, no matter what set/setting, types of weed, etc. all of that anxiety and social awkwardness just washes away. I usually become the center of attention when I am stoned in public because it is so much fun and you can't stop once you have started talking to people... it is weird but I love it.
Maybe I am just built for weed - it has saved my life (literally, I used to be suicidal depressed before weed)
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#21753813 - 06/02/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I wonder what weed does to the brain long term that changes such an initially enjoyable high into such a shitty, paranoid and anxiety/ panic ridden experience.
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Oeric McKenna said: Tone and degree of mental effect is largely strain dependent. The expression and strength of its potential effects are based on how it is grown. If you wanted something inspiring, but relaxing and euphoric, you could get a nice indica like the bubblegum, and blast it into some wax. That'd concentrate the main essence of its effect. 2 rips and you'd be soaring but never paranoid. The vibe is "everything is fine".
There are varieties that would not make you paranoid, and others less likely to make you tired.
Likewise, I could tell you strains that would likely send you on a fear coaster like the og18, or put you down for a nap like the midnight kush.
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