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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764020 - 06/04/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21764024 - 06/04/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21764052 - 06/04/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: drr]
#21764061 - 06/04/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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drr said:
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Gottaloveacid said: Dude, you really are fucking dumb. That article I linked showed human trials, not fucking animals.
I guess I will just start linking a shit load of human based studies showing cannabis curing cancer
Brain Cancer
http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v95/n2/abs/6603236a.html
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/308/3/838.abstract
http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/10/1/90.abstract
Breast cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20859676
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/early/2006/05/25/jpet.106.105247
http://www.molecular-cancer.com/content/9/1/196
http://www.pnas.org/content/95/14/8375.full.pdf+html
Lung cancer
http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v27/n3/abs/1210641a.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22198381?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21097714?dopt=Abstract
Prostate cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12746841?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3339795/?tool=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22594963
Blood cancer
http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/70/5/1612.abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.23584/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16908594
Mouth cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20516734
Liver cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475304
Pancreatic cancer
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/66/13/6748.abstract
THESE ARE ALL HUMAN STUDIES. Now will you please fuck off with the bullshit lies you spread every day on the forums? People believe what they read, and when they read wrong information, they believe it is true. That is how religion started
Wow, thank you for doing the work that the rest of us were too lazy to do.
Bitter cactus, if your response isn't a complete 180 from before, you're a complete moron.
Those are human cells not clinical trials. There have been no clinical trials with humans on cannabis curing cancer.
Show me one study or quote from a study saying they had a large sample of humans with cancer and used cannabis to treat the cancer and it cured the cancer. There are no such studies.
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Edited by Bitter Cactus (06/05/15 12:00 AM)
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764067 - 06/05/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No... read closely they use the word patients in nearly every one of those studies...
And even if that was the case, then it still means cannabis cures cancer in humans. You were previously claiming that all the studies are just animal studies, obviously that was bullshit.
You are just so delusional/ignorant/stupid it makes my head hurt
People come to this site for information that is in some way correct. When you tell people weed is nothing but bad and has no values worth considering you are wrong and you are just the type of scum that is preventing legalization
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21764071 - 06/05/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764078 - 06/05/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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- Virtually all the scientific research investigating whether cannabinoids can treat cancer has been done using cancer cells grown in the lab or animal models. It’s important to be cautious when extrapolating these results up to real live patients, who tend to be a lot more complex than a Petri dish or a mouse.
- For example, some researchers have found that although high doses of THC can kill cancer cells, they also harm crucial blood vessel cells, although this may help their anti-cancer effect by preventing blood vessels growing into a tumour. And under some circumstances, cannabinoids can actually encourage cancer cells to grow, or have different effects depending on the dosage and levels of cannabinoid receptors present on the cancer cells
- Others have discovered that activating CB2 receptors may actually interfere with the ability of the immune system to recognise and destroy tumour cells, although some scientists have found that certain synthetic cannabinoids may enhance immune defences against cancer.
- Clinical research
But that’s the lab – what about clinical research involving people with cancer? Results have been published from only one clinical trial testing whether cannabinoids can treat cancer in patients, led by Dr Manuel Guzman and his team in Spain. Nine people with advanced, terminal glioblastoma multiforme – an aggressive brain tumour – were given highly purified THC through a tube directly into their brain.
Eight people’s cancers showed some kind of response to the treatment, and one didn’t respond at all. All the patients died within a year, as might be expected for people with cancer this advanced.
- At the moment, there simply isn’t enough evidence to prove that cannabinoids – whether natural or synthetic – works to treat cancer in patients, although research is ongoing. And there’s certainly no evidence that ‘street’ cannabis can treat cancer.
Wow basically that article says the only clinical trial was done with nine people with cancer and they all ended up dying.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764083 - 06/05/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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One clinical study with nine people that all had cancer and ended up dying totally proves cannabis cures cancer..
Not!
Let's wait until there are proper clinical trials until we form any conclusions guys.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764109 - 06/05/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Obviously cannabis isn't enough to kill all cancers with a high success rate. It cannot help a patient if the cancer is large in size, or if the patient is terminally ill.
Cannabis is a very effective drug for preventing cancer more so than curing it because taking the drug will target cancerous tumors right as they start to grow, but again if the cancer is too aggressive it cannot completely stop it.
It is just common logic man. Obviously it doesn't have a very high success rate because it isn't enough to battle aggressive cancers. But that doesn't mean that it can't help prevent and even cure less aggressive cancers effectively. That is partly why you see a lot more cigarette smokers getting cancer than cannabis smokers.
What we need to do is take notes from the research done on humans to develop drugs that work on the same binding sites as cannabis to make a drug that more effectively targets cancer cells.
My whole point is it is very ignorant to 1) say cannabis can't cure some cancers and 2) try to argue against medical studies because it isn't highly effective
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21764126 - 06/05/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gottaloveacid said: Obviously cannabis isn't enough to kill all cancers with a high success rate. It cannot help a patient if the cancer is large in size, or if the patient is terminally ill.
Cannabis is a very effective drug for preventing cancer more so than curing it because taking the drug will target cancerous tumors right as they start to grow, but again if the cancer is too aggressive it cannot completely stop it.
It is just common logic man. Obviously it doesn't have a very high success rate because it isn't enough to battle aggressive cancers. But that doesn't mean that it can't help prevent and even cure less aggressive cancers effectively. That is partly why you see a lot more cigarette smokers getting cancer than cannabis smokers.
What we need to do is take notes from the research done on humans to develop drugs that work on the same binding sites as cannabis to make a drug that more effectively targets cancer cells.
My whole point is it is very ignorant to 1) say cannabis can't cure some cancers and 2) try to argue against medical studies because it isn't highly effective
There is absolutely no proof that cannabis cures cancer in humans. Give me a quote from one of your links that says that they conducted a clinical trial with a minimum of a hundred people that proves cannabis cures cancer in people. So you are jumping to conclusions based off of studies done with cells in animals and in a lab. Like I told you many many treatments show promise in the animal cells only to fail in clinical trials. Until there are legitimate clinical trials we will never know.
Honestly lots of people use weed and die of cancer just like everyone else. If there were any correlation you would see weed smokers with less cancer then the rest of the population. The only reason everyone says that cannabis cures cancer is that they like the idea of it and it gives them another reason to legalize it. However those claims are completely false and I know they can't do clinical trials because it is illegal but at the same time you shouldn't jump to conclusions without anything to support your wild claims.
Let's wait until there are clinical trials to say weed cures cancer, until then I will call bullshit on you every time.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764198 - 06/05/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can we get BC banned already? 
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Bitter Cactus said: The only reason everyone says that cannabis cures cancer is that they like the idea of it and it gives them another reason to legalize it.
Kind of like the only reason why you stubbornly argue against it is becouse you clearly are biased...
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: musiclover420]
#21764245 - 06/05/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nope, find me a clinical study with a hundred people minimum where they are cured from cancer and I will shake your hand and agree with you.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21764280 - 06/05/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah becouse clinical trials are what make something true or not 
Cannabis has been used for thousands of years for an incredibly wide range of applications.
We don't have to prove shit to you, you clearly don't want to hear it anyways.
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Bitter Cactus said: I know they can't do clinical trials because it is illegal
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Bitter Cactus said: Nope, find me a clinical study


Maybe if people like you weren't so skeptical it would never have been made illegal and we would already have all the studies you seek to "prove" it for yourself.
Meanwhile all the people who have benefited from it for the past 5-10,000+ years clearly don't matter since its "anecdotal" or some shit. Not to mention all the people using it now.
I have even known people who make extracts for cancer patients...
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: musiclover420]
#21764373 - 06/05/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly bud, there are no clinical trials.
The laws are fucked, but it is what it is.
The reason a clinical study is necessary to say cannabis cures cancer in humans is because you need to test cannabis on real fricking people to know if it will cure the cancer in people. It is not that complicated.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: musiclover420]
#21764402 - 06/05/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: because you need to test cannabis on real fricking people to know if it will cure the cancer in people. It is not that complicated.
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musiclover420 said: Cannabis has been used for thousands of years for an incredibly wide range of applications.
all the people who have benefited from it for the past 5-10,000+ years clearly don't matter since its "anecdotal" or some shit. Not to mention all the people using it now....
I have even known people who make extracts for cancer patients...
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: musiclover420]
#21764955 - 06/05/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People who even say something "cures cancer" generally don't understand cancer or cancer treatment. I think people just say that because it is less syllables than trying to explain all the ways it has proven to be beneficial, and the limits it has in treatment.
Also, even if we're talking "animal testing", humans are animals as far as I'm concerned. I know the religious folks here might dispute that but lets leave that for another day. When they put a human cancer inside another mammal, and are able to effectively treat that cancer, that is generally a good sign and not something to throw away as totally bogus information.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21765002 - 06/05/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: There are no clinical studies on humans that prove cannabis cures cancer.
The studies you read are based off of animal cells in petri dishes with huge concentrations of THC. Studies done this way often show promise in the lab but when it comes to more complex cells in humans they fail.
I wish cannabis cured cancer in humans like everyone here but that is simply so far from reality that it's not even funny. We have no cure for cancer today.
Do you read a fucking thing anyone posts? This reminds me of when you got banned for being a dickhead the first time, then you came off your ban and one of the first things you said is about how you read an article about how they are using weed to help with seizures in kids. Then I pointed out how much of a fucking hypocrite you were and guess what? You never responded. Meanwhile, people spent days and days explaining this shit to you.
At this point, there's no other option other than you're a sad little meth head who gets his kicks by making other people as miserable as he is.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21765415 - 06/05/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said:
Let's wait until there are proper clinical trials until we form any conclusions guys.
Haha take your own advise. You've obviously reached the conclusion that it doesn't and where is your clinical trial proof? Dumbass.
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Re: getting stoned isn't as fun anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21765446 - 06/05/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea I know but still... God damn lol
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