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complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL
    #21752583 - 06/02/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OK so done brf grows a few times with good success, now want to try bulk in a modified Monotub.
going to use small CPU fans with filters between fan and tub pulling air out at the top. thinking it will improve FAE. they are variable speed to help control temp and RH. when i get all my components ill post a step by step pic just for fun.

going to use a 5 grain spawn. and a casing from http://midwestgrowkits.com/spawn-bags.html ; (hope its OK to post this link)

ordering because i don't have a PC. and the supplies I've gotten from them were good before. but any way.....lol

first: i was wondering, if i get 2 of the 5 grain spawn bags, colonize them fully,get 2 casing bags, and mix the casing with some pasteurized wbs ( pillow case and boiling water style), mixed in the fully colonized 5 grain, then covered the top with an even layer of 50/50 Coir/verm. would it give it more nutrients to feed or if i get spore drop, to colonize, while the coir/verm acted as a contaminant barrier? or am i just asking for trouble?

second: if i use a spawn bag like what that place sells, after full colonization, and i crumble it up a bit. should i open a small hole in the top of the bag and soak it all down for 24 hrs before i mix with my casing?

and finally: i see mixed info, if i use a casing like the above, should i also use a coir/verm/coffee top layer? or just skip their casing altogether and use the coir/verm/coffee as my casing?

I've been reading a searching and reading but get alot of mixed info, i know i will on this post to but at least it will be easier to follow, lol


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21752589 - 06/02/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I stopped reading at "modified monotub."

Stop trying to innovate. Follow the TEKs until you know what you're doing.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21752603 - 06/02/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:

At least get a mono under your belt before trying to reinvent the wheel.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: Jeff Vader]
    #21752656 - 06/02/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Save the money that you'd spend on pre-made bags from that place and spend it on a Presto 23qt pressure cooker, and some canning jars from your local grocery.  Then, for a fraction of the cost of those pre-mades, you can make a lot more of your own.

The pre-made materials you're talking about there will cost you over $60, and it's a one-and-done deal.
A Presto 23qt is about $80, a dozen quart jars is $20, and the grains, vermiculite, coir, syringe, and a tub might round out your investment to $150 bucks; after which you'll have the materials and only need to purchase the consumables in the future.
Meanwhile, 2 rounds of buying this pre-made stuff and the materials investment for growing, and you're already over that amount.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: Jeff Vader]
    #21752723 - 06/02/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

just read that every one used an oscillating fan near their tub to promote FAE, figured 4 small processor fans mounted on the sides of the tub at the top to pull the air out would circulate the air drawing it in from the lower holes. not trying to reinvent anything just thinking smaller package, same results.

so, OK don't try anything other than what i read gotcha.

now as for the other 2 questions.

ok. thnx Clifton


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21752732 - 06/02/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I made it to computer fans lol


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: Ghatti]
    #21752809 - 06/02/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

some thing like this was all i was referring to, excuse the hell outta me if it offends you guys for trying to think in a different direction than your comfortable with.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21752824 - 06/02/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not what we are comfortable with...it's tried and true methods...the teks here aren't made by some kid in his bedroom hiding from his parents... these are smart motherfuckers... we do things the way that they work...nobody is getting offended they are trying to help you save money and succeed... just read more before you dive in...


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21752841 - 06/02/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i can see how the air flow is uneven and promoting uneven growth, thats why the corner by the fan is larger, which is why i was looking into smaller fans higher up and 4 of them located where the 4 holes are normally located in a mono, you don' have to post negative, or smartass answers, if i fuck up my tub so be it. im not asking about my tub. i asked 3 questions. if you cant get past the tub to give feedback on the questions asked dont waste anyones time just piss off. easy peasy. amazing that out of 4 ppl posting only 1 had anything worth a damn to say.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21752860 - 06/02/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i dont disagree with you Loc. thats why i asked my questions. and also why i used the mono for the last 2 18 jar brf's i did. i get how a mono works. i've followed teks. and had great success, for that im greatful. but damn dont knock a guy for thinking outside the tub, lol


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21752863 - 06/02/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Fine I'll bite. To #1, do not pasteurize wbs


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: Ghatti]
    #21752866 - 06/02/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

To #2, you don't mix spawn with your casing


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: Ghatti]
    #21752909 - 06/02/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the reason i was asking Ghatti is from reading:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17447797/fpart/all/vc/1

and:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13755958

others and getting conflicting info. lol

which is why i was wondering about doing a mix but using a coir/verm/coffee top layer as a contamination barrier.

found the link:  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12729833

and ty i figured as much with my first question but hey it was a shitty idea, but idea none the less.


Edited by bearnekkid (06/02/15 01:58 PM)


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21752925 - 06/02/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lay out your grain and lay the casing in n top


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: Ghatti]
    #21752947 - 06/02/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok. so should i soak it to hydrate the grain after full colonization, before i tub it? or just tub it and let the casing hydrate it?  i had really good results dunking my cakes at birthing before i placed them in my fruiting chamber. but i do realize bulk is a different beast and that grain is totally different than BRF.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21752956 - 06/02/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If it takes a long time to colonize you can soak it but its not going to make a world of difference


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: Ghatti]
    #21752989 - 06/02/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you bring your substrate to field capacity before you spawn it will have plenty of moisture for at the least your first flush...then after that you can dunk it or just mist heavily...


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21752994 - 06/02/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I dunno if he's using substrate. All I saw him say really was a grain bag and a casing bag


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21753015 - 06/02/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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bearnekkid said:and also why i used the mono for the last 2 18 jar brf's i did. i get how a mono works.




Then why are you posting that it's your first time doing bulk? And obviously you don't get monotubs or you wouldn't be asking ridiculous questions.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: Ghatti]
    #21753030 - 06/02/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

gotcha, should colonize fast enough not to lose enough moisture anyway. cool.

as far as sub, do you have a recommendation, not alot of options locally, which is why i was looking at ordering online, but i do have some verm already, i do drink coffee, and can get coir.

would the perlite i have left do anything at all to help retain any moisture or should i just keep it put up for if i do anymore jars? i know i haven't seen any in a tek..... but just kinda wast not, blah blah...lol

but would you recommend a different sub?

and thanks for the positive information.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21753040 - 06/02/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

always one asshole to chime in and ruin a good conversation


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid] * 1
    #21753049 - 06/02/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And always 1,000 noobs who think they can do shit better than people who have been at it for years.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21753071 - 06/02/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not really. He's right. Just read a tek and follow it. Perlites for shotguns not substrates. Monotubs are designed to have little airflow on the bottom to promote pinning and lots of airflow on the top to maintain fae. A computer fan on the bottom wouldn't work and be too much. Just use a fan on low on the other side of the room pointed away. It'd provide a good amount of airflow.

Please just read a few more teks, or the entire tek, they may appear long but it has amazing info, or how a monotub works. If you did you'd get why it's just silly questions.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21753076 - 06/02/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

never said i could do it better fuckstick, if i could i wouldnt be in here asking questions, but just like everyone else, you learn by gathering information and combining ideas, and innovation.  sometimes you fail, but sometimes you succeed. if i fail oh well i fail. but if i succeed, awesome, it means i can share some information with people and help them to succeed not just talk shit and be a douchebag. no go back to your troll cave and grunt to your self if you cant be a productive member on my post.

thank you, have a great day!:smile:


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21753090 - 06/02/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Noobs need not innovate. Learn the basics first. I'm glad words on your screen could piss you off enough to reduce you to petty name-calling.

I'm not mad and I can grow all the mushrooms I want already. I win.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21753108 - 06/02/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

oh yeah, wasnt gonna go with fans down low, if i was gonna use the fans i was gonna use them in the upper ports, and a 12v fan running on a 6v power source would spin low rpm, but i do see what your saying also Mad.

i just like to tinker, its my engineering background, lol. figured pack the poly tighter in the bottom to reduce the flow low but less restriction high, but....

hey im an idea man, most suck but ideas are just ideas.....lol

then go away and go grow 36, im glad i own enough space in your head you just cant leave my post alone, lol. im taking minutes of your life away. bahahaha.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21753124 - 06/02/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well...there went any chance of getting help from here...good luck!! I hope you grow awesome shrooms!!!


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    #21753162 - 06/02/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Use it only coir for you first time and go read, study, and follow franks 12 steps for monotub.


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21753175 - 06/02/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

didnt mean to offend you Loc ive read the teks ive followed teks with great results, when it comes to the bulk teks ive seen alot of contradicting methods.

if im gonna follow teks, i guess i may as well just mix and match, and take Ghatti's advice.

which Thank you, to you guys who gave some positive input.

i will build 2 tubs follow 1 tek to the letter and 1 modified and see what happens.

sorry for wasting your time.

you guys are a wealth of knowledge though. thanks


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Re: complicated 1st time bulk question, yes I've searched and read, LOL [Re: bearnekkid]
    #21753185 - 06/02/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah Franks was what i was leaning towards, seemed the most straight forward and best explained. but like any endeavor, others educated input is valued. thanks ghatti


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