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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
    #21995988 - 07/25/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure, but I would think that mentioning the highest strength Oxycontin would hurt your chances much more than would help. I don't think 80's are ever initially given to anyone, and that you have to work your way up to that dose.

  I might say that codeine isn't enough, and that I wish I had even the least fun Methadone and Buprenorphine. Since they're prescribed to addicts all of the time, I would think that if nothing else the doc would feel like an ass :lol:


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: DustBunny]
    #21996027 - 07/25/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Codeine is crap and that is kinda what I figured with opium


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: DustBunny]
    #21996051 - 07/25/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Methadone and bupe are prescribed because they are long acting and therefore considered less addictive.  It's a good way to break unhealthy habits like IVing street drugs, but they're both very strong with high addictive potential.

I think anyone should be able to go buy whatever they want, prohibition is not good, but people also need to come to grips with how serious these drugs can be.  Doctors should still not prescribe strong opiates to people who don't need them.  It sounds to me like you're drug-seeking Zombi, which I don't really blame you, but there shouldn't be that 10% wanting to get high even that is how people get caught up in addictions.  It can happen to anyone really if you don't treat those drugs with the respect they deserve.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21996067 - 07/25/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe I'll just ask for liquid codeine with no apap, I don't need to catch a buzz at all honestly. I initially thought oxy cuz that was my favourite opiate but I'm not in enough pain to justify it maybe. They'll see through and lie for sure. I got hella good shatter at home that kills all my pain, I'll just try and get liquid codeine cuz I am legit upset with how much apap I've eaten recently.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21996103 - 07/25/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's another reason why I think he has a chance to get those, their half-lives are far longer than OxyContin even with the elaborate time-release. In my experience, they are also extremely good painkillers, so if I'm correct that you haven't tried them Zombie, don't stress that they would be ineffective :thumbup: 


Going to an opiod-maintenence clinic while you still have opiods in your system is another option :lol: I might tell the doc that I was planning on doing that, they certainly couldn't stop you.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
    #21996106 - 07/25/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Gah I don't know why I keep looking in this thread, those pics are truly horrifying. Good luck with your recovery man.


Regarding pain drugs I wonder if they might be inclined not to give you the good shit if they have you pegged as a drug abuser.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: DustBunny]
    #21996131 - 07/25/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't for sure methadone or bupe are an option. I've never heard of anyone on that in Canada. But I don't have a lot of experience in the opiate/narcotic/pharmaceutical scene. I just know i like my oxy so that's all I ever bought or had experience with.

But like i said, gettin some buzzy opiates was a nice thought but at the end of the day codeine sans apap is sufficient. Especially with my shatter :smile:

I'll ask about ibuprofen with codeine or straight liquid codeine.

Or I coul start doing hella CWE on my T1's and just use that.

If I reduce a codeine CWE is plugging worth it?


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: psi]
    #21996140 - 07/25/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I kinda was wondering if they'd realize I abused psychedelics no opiates and feel ok giving me the strong stuff. Although to be honest all the doctors think DOC is "white lightning" some form of methamphetamine :lol: they just don't understand what it is. Both my surgeons and their under studies were referring to it as bath salts LOL


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
    #21996210 - 07/25/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly both methadone and bupe are better painkillers for me (and are more physically impairing/heavy), but it makes sense to me because they do bind much stronger to receptors (why they stop dope sickness). You guys do have less clinics up there, but you do have some :smile: Unfortunately it is much harder to get a hold of, but it is possible. I would think many docs would be okay with it in your situation as it would not be permanent.  Should be able to find a nearby option with nothing more than Google-

http://www.opiateaddictionresource.com/treatment/methadone_clinic_directory
http://www.oatc.ca/services/opioid-agonist-program/suboxone/
http://www.cpsa.ab.ca/Services/Physician_Prescribing_Practices/BuprenorphinePrescribing.aspx


One reason I might mention to the doc that I was planning on it, is that here there are methadone pills prescribed as a painkiller, whereas methadone maintenence is a take-now liquid that's only available at the clinic. So, you'd have to go to the clinic every day. I think bupe is the same way in Canada, whereas here people can fill it like any other prescription.


DO NOT plug, snort, or shoot codeine. The histamine reaction from bypassing first-pass metabolism can be fatal.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: DustBunny]
    #21996217 - 07/25/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

GOOD TO KNOW!!! About the codeine, never read that before.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
    #21996235 - 07/25/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Happy to help! :smile: I'm just glad you asked before trying it :lol: It is currently the only opiod that it applies to BTW. Tramadol shouldn't be plugged/shot either, but that's because it's hardly an opiod until it gets metabolized to O-Desmethyltramadol.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
    #21996238 - 07/25/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

careful with the oxy's man.



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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
    #21996248 - 07/25/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that is not going to help your case, I say stick to the cannabis.  It's just fucked that the attitude is putting things in there that hurt you will keep people from becoming addicts, which is the only reason I can figure for drugs with APAP being in less restrictive classes, but there are still plenty of good reasons not to take strong opiates for too long after a traumatic event.

I think the more practical thing to do is try to be as strong as possible during your healing, as opiates aren't that harmful in the short term, but they do have effects that could effect your healing if you take too many.  After you get through the bulk of your healing re-assess things and if it seems like the pain is going to get in the way of your life, seek treatment through doctors or as a worst case scenario self-medicate, but that is the slipperiest of slopes when it comes to opiates.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: DustBunny]
    #21996258 - 07/25/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would never plug anything without asking first :lol:

I will be cReful with oxy for sure but looks like I won't even bother going that route.

Nurse confirmed I can get pure codeine tablets with just binder and no apap. I'll ask for a script for that.

Also I dunno if everyone saw my thread a month ago, but I have a doctor who will give me a medical cannabis card, that's far better in every way than opiates imo. I'll pursue that option.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
    #21996271 - 07/25/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cannabis better than Opes?  That is insane.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21996306 - 07/25/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:shrug: I love my cannabis :heart:

Opiates I love recreationally but it's not something I NEED and the addiction potential is real.

I almost got into a crack addiction, last thing I need is an oxy addiction.

If cannabis does the job, and it does, I'll stick with that natural.


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
    #21996331 - 07/25/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

keep that logic around man.



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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #21996373 - 07/25/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #21996377 - 07/25/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cannibis never did anything for my pain. Opes worked just fine.  Every time, guaranteed success


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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
    #21996380 - 07/25/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

im sure weed will help balance out any addictions one may have, even if it's the weed itself..


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