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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: zappaisgod]
#21767009 - 06/05/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no...I said its MORE logical than not believing in a god seeing as how we are living in a miracle of space-time.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21767014 - 06/05/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I offered no proof, I only proffered a belief. I realize that. You offer no proof, either, but delude yourself that you have with pictures of sunsets. Some sound logic there
you obviously missed the point.
I was just driving home my point that I can actually see part of my god...its all around us. that was just 1 example.
OK I see the exact same sky. god is not in it nor do I have any reason to believe that he is. Your argument is that existence requires god and this proves god. I aint buying that as enough proof. Sophistry
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: zappaisgod]
#21767056 - 06/05/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well its more proof than you have that there isn't a God
see...all your proof is..is just words.
my proof is actual surroundings.
the ironic thing is...words in general can also be a proof for God...so your using your own proof for atheism when its really a proof for God.
that's how smart you are 
its like saying "I DONT NEED FOOD" while chomping on a steak
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zappaisgod
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21767062 - 06/05/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sophistry. Pure sophistry Bill. Can you explain to me what predictive value your belief in god has?
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21767102 - 06/05/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: so everytime someone talks about food they are talking about cheeseburgers?
do you know how many different Gods there are?
its like saying if someone talks about a greek god they are automatically talking about zeus
Every time someone talks about Ronald McDonald they are talking about a specific cheeseburger creator. Notice I did not capitalize "cheeseburger creater" as I did Ronald McDonald. One is a proper noun, and one is not. Do you understand how that is relevant?
If you say I believe in a god, it could be Mithras, Dionysis, or The Mushroom Jesus, which are all proper nouns who are also gods. When you say you believe in God the general understanding is that you believe in the Abrahamic god, who they call God. You can claim otherwise, but it is another one of those stupid semantic arguments where you're just wrong, not even because I don't think there is a god, but because what you're saying doesn't make sense in the way these words are defined through mutual consensus.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21767119 - 06/05/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well im not talking about Ronald McDonald.
Fine...I believe in my God.
Maybe one day you will believe in yours.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21767120 - 06/05/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grimace?
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21767154 - 06/05/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Well im not talking about Ronald McDonald.
Fine...I believe in my God.
Maybe one day you will believe in yours.
Prince would have been a better example rather than Ron McDic. You call him the Prince, but there are other princes. If you say, I believe in Princes, it wouldn't make much sense (unless...).
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21767162 - 06/05/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I though we made a new thread for everybody to bicker about religion in? If you don't have anything nice to say please don't say anything at all. This thread could have been a nice bit of support for me, and a great compilation of harm reduction conversation. Instead we have pages and pages of the same religious bickering you can find in any religious thread on shroomery. Thanks guys.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21767173 - 06/05/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Makes no difference to me. I think all spirituality is mumbo jumbo jive. Generally I don't care what mumbo jumbo jive people believe in except when it makes them turn into murdering sixth century morons.
Want to know what I think spirituality is?
Consuming the spirit molecule and being visited by a hologramatic flying machine-disc made of golden energy.
Something like that.
So yeah...God to me is a machine that mirrors the universe. It can travel through dimensions and can defy physics.


funny how you are so quick to dismiss something you never experienced.
that's a very open-minded quality in a man..

Ive smoked DMT, Ive seen these beings. They never convinced me of anything. At some points they would tell me things and upon further questioning theyd be like "yeah man whatever". Its a mindblowing sensory experience, but assuming your drug induced hallucinations are free of any of the biases or desires you have in your sober state of mind is kind of insane.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
#21767185 - 06/05/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Totally agree, except:
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Now what I didnt mention throughout the report was this; I had 3 full churches praying for me, and I myself had begun praying again. With every indication from the doctors this was indeed a miracle case, because they can not eplain how I kept my body parts let alone survived, my faith in god was restored. I was brought up christian and fell out of faith. I know a lot of us across the boards have little respect for religion, but there is no doubt in my mind this was gods handy work. I should have died, I should have lost my legs, I should have lost my feet. And yet I may walk away from this with nothing but some missing toes.
We're not allowed to question that? It is out of bounds?
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21767187 - 06/05/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This being made it rain and storm outside upon its arrival. Then when it entered this dimension the rain stopped.
If a being can make it rain, I consider it a God.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21767436 - 06/05/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No I guess it isn't out of bounds.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3] 1
#21767440 - 06/05/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread is just God testing your religious devotion.
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moonrockmushy
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
#21767665 - 06/05/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: No I guess it isn't out of bounds. 
I don't want to rag you on it, especially if you're going through a hard time, but if you're really trying to pick up the faith it pretty much is like Burke says actually. Everything should be about God, so you should be the last one to be saying we shouldn't talk about that here.
The fact that you don't want to talk about it is a good sign no brain damage I guess
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Burke Dennings]
#21767675 - 06/05/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Burke Dennings said: This thread is just God testing your religious devotion.
zappa bringing the pain to test the faithless
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21768595 - 06/06/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly, you're awesome. 
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21768616 - 06/06/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: This being made it rain and storm outside upon its arrival. Then when it entered this dimension the rain stopped.
If a being can make it rain, I consider it a God.
I can smell rain 20 minutes before it happens. I must be god
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21768646 - 06/06/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Smelling != creating
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#21768667 - 06/06/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its precognition. Only gods are capable of predicting events and moving through dimensions. Its impossible that I would actually be sensing the change in humidity and the local floras response to it. The only possible explanation is that im actually a reflection of god and the one true god wants to jam his cock down my throat because he loves me and im a reflection and the on true expression of the supreme being. I saw it when I was super fucked out of mind on a ridiculous amount of drugs and couldnt make sense of fucking left and right.
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