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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21758764 - 06/03/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: ... no, genius, I never said 1 thing about religion, Christianity, or jesus. I used the word G-O-D
Omfg I really hate arguments like this. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. You're trying to imply your religion is special because it is the one true religion and therefore should not be classified as a religion? I honestly don't understand.
You don't have to subscribe to a religion to have beliefs. Many people have a meta religion that combines a lot of concepts. You don't have to be high on yourself to be that way. I only use the the word religion so you understand me, but I don't however classify those people as religious because religions are organized and offer no room for your own personal beliefs.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Zombi3]
#21758798 - 06/03/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank GOD your alive man.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: lowbrow]
#21758806 - 06/03/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I will stick with the dictionary definition of religion. Seriously, when people make semantic arguments that don't even make sense it kinda shows me that maybe you're prone to leaps of faith. Haven't you heard the phrase 'organized religion'? I'm sorry but there is no God outside of religion.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21758810 - 06/03/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People decided on a God long before they 'organized a religion.'
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#21758860 - 06/03/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok. That seems irrelevant to me. Of course every person has their own ideas on the origins of the universe, some being supernatural hence religious, and what we know as stereotypical "religions" are actually formed by some form of mutual consensus over individual beliefs, but it all still falls under the definition of religion. Trying to say it isn't is just confusing the issue, and the only reason I can see to do it is to distance yourself from the stigma of religion, but honestly that seems like a cop-out to me.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21758878 - 06/03/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I guess I can be a Buddhist Mormon Jew if I want right? Is that a religion?
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#21758891 - 06/03/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just I bit of chilling information that I read about necrosis and gangrene developing as a result from extended vasoconstriction associated with the overdosing of psychedelics, mostly research chemicals.
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Also, a Swedish man had to have the front part of his feet and several fingers on one hand amputated after taking a massive overdose. Apparently the compound acted as a long-acting efficacious vasoconstrictor, leading to necrosis and gangrene which was delayed by several weeks after the overdose occurred. Several other cases have also been reported of severe peripheral vasoconstriction following overdose with Bromo-DragonFLY, and a similar case is also known from DOB. Treatment was of limited efficacy in this case although tolazoline is reportedly an effective treatment where available
Looks like the overdose combined with long duration of DOC half life combined made your legs virtually not even have blood flow. I'm surprised it didn't affect any other part of your body.
The reports of DOB overdose causing this are out there. https://books.google.com/books?id=8psTrw4GokAC&pg=PA167&lpg=PA167&dq=DOB+vasoconstriction&source=bl&ots=zcYdBKEVaI&sig=daqBddxL5NjpKbbO3rYTGItZmds&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ga5vVfiuMMipogTknYO4Ag&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=DOB%20vasoconstriction&f=false
I guess the reversal of the drug using a serotonin inhibitor "cineserin" have shown to reverse effects.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#21758901 - 06/03/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: ... no, genius, I never said 1 thing about religion, Christianity, or jesus. I used the word G-O-D
Omfg I really hate arguments like this. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. You're trying to imply your religion is special because it is the one true religion and therefore should not be classified as a religion? I honestly don't understand.
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XLCaps said: So I guess I can be a Buddhist Mormon Jew if I want right? Is that a religion?
Its your life be what you want. except butthurt change that up.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: larry.fisherman] 1
#21758909 - 06/03/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I haven't read through the entirety but I feel like OP's reaction to that much DOC was not entirely surprising considering it's occured with other psychedelic phenethylamines such as Bromo Dragonfly.
DOC so closely resembles Dopamine and more importantly, Norepinephrine and Epinephrine . when released into the body, Norepinephrine and Epinephrine act as the body's fight-or-flight system in response to a stressor, getting it ready to deal with the situation. norepinephrine increases heart rate and systolic blood pressure. it diverts blood away from the extremities and channels blood to the essential components of the body in critical situations, like the heart brain and muscles. DOC along with other serotonergic hallucinogens, is also known to act on the 5ht2a which among many other things, controls vasoconstriction. at 130mg, i'm surely not surprised that all his blood stopped circulating to his feet.
My guess is that a proper and faster solution to this problem would be to block it's agonistic affects at the norepinephrine/epinephrine sites as well as the serotonin receptor with something that has a higher affinity for them, no?
does all that sound about right?
glad to hear you didn't lose your feet and that you lived to tell about it, Zombie
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
#21758913 - 06/03/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: ... no, genius, I never said 1 thing about religion, Christianity, or jesus. I used the word G-O-D
Omfg I really hate arguments like this. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. You're trying to imply your religion is special because it is the one true religion and therefore should not be classified as a religion? I honestly don't understand.
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XLCaps said: So I guess I can be a Buddhist Mormon Jew if I want right? Is that a religion?
Its your life be what you want. except butthurt change that up.
I'm butthurt because why? I'm having a conversation? Last I checked I wasn't having it with you so why don't you shut your fucking mouth.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#21758940 - 06/03/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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butthurt.
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larry.fisherman
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
#21758954 - 06/03/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, I'm just not gonna take shit from you. Why should I? That makes me butthurt, ok preschooler.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#21758957 - 06/03/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: So I guess I can be a Buddhist Mormon Jew if I want right? Is that a religion?
Sure. I honestly have no problem with religion, and I don't see why someone would even want to make this distinction. Religion isn't inherently bad, but what I know is Christianity is for the most part is a total crock as is shown by the behavior of the people who preach it. They prey on people's desire to understand and find peace, but the truth is you can get the same thing in any community without the whole supernatural mumbo jumbo that leads people to think they're more special than everyone else.
I don't even have a problem with a god. Just this God character people speak of.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21758964 - 06/03/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Melt.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#21758970 - 06/03/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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can you guys get over it already? i sometimes wish religion didn't exist cause all it seems to cause is butthurt internet catfights, death and destruction in other contries, and two strange men in business atire on bicycles at my doorstep at 10 in the morning
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: 404] 1
#21758982 - 06/03/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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404 said: and two strange men in business atire on bicycles at my doorstep at 10 in the morning
lolol
and yeah this thread is fuckin dumb i cant believe people care that much about other peoples religious beliefs everybody ruined it
p.s, I'm pretty sure people have had limbs chopped off from DOB overdoses before
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: 404]
#21758996 - 06/03/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never think about religion or God or if there are aliens or anything.
If those thoughts pop into my head I just go and grab a beer or take my dog on a walk. I would rather live life then waste my time thinking about that stuff.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
#21759016 - 06/03/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trichome_Delta9 said: Melt.
I try to stay melty, it's good for the soul. I'm always happy to not talk about religion, but OP brought it up so I don't see how it is off topic. I said his feelings regarding this being a miracle might change as time goes on. Maybe they won't but it is pretty normal to look for supernatural explanations when you can't explain things, but I bet if you talked to his doctors they could explain it somewhat. Even simple things like the flu we don't understand, but you don't assume it is a miracle how people are miraculously cured of the flu when doctors are dumbfounded.
They had never seen anything like this. How would we know if this is normal or extraordinary?
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21759039 - 06/03/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: So I guess I can be a Buddhist Mormon Jew if I want right? Is that a religion?
Sure. I honestly have no problem with religion, and I don't see why someone would even want to make this distinction. Religion isn't inherently bad, but what I know is Christianity is for the most part is a total crock as is shown by the behavior of the people who preach it. They prey on people's desire to understand and find peace, but the truth is you can get the same thing in any community without the whole supernatural mumbo jumbo that leads people to think they're more special than everyone else.
I don't even have a problem with a god. Just this God character people speak of.
Yeah, I feel you on all of that. The biggest and only difference I account is that religion is served to you on a silver platter. A lot of people spend a good deal of time looking over their own philosophies and all the available concepts to come to their own conclusion. I guess I think we could both agree that it might make you 'religious' but it's hard to subscribe to a religion when what you believe is neither concrete nor mutually defined. Unless you really wanna dig as in asking people their whole belief structure and I'm sure their are obscure and very certain subsets of religions that would delineate whatever philosophies they subscribe to. Regardless, I was just being picky, the group I spoke of is pretty niche and rare, but exist none the less. I never tried to point that out in a way that was meant to separate anyone from religious stigma because while I agree that it has it's (many) downsides, there's are crazies from all walks of life. 'Real' Christians are far from the eccentric ones and really just focus on personal values.
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Re: My near death experience - Almost killed myself with irresponsible research chemical dosing. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21759081 - 06/03/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trichome_Delta9 said: Melt.
I try to stay melty, it's good for the soul. I'm always happy to not talk about religion, but OP brought it up so I don't see how it is off topic. I said his feelings regarding this being a miracle might change as time goes on. Maybe they won't but it is pretty normal to look for supernatural explanations when you can't explain things, but I bet if you talked to his doctors they could explain it somewhat. Even simple things like the flu we don't understand, but you don't assume it is a miracle how people are miraculously cured of the flu when doctors are dumbfounded.
They had never seen anything like this. How would we know if this is normal or extraordinary?
Not You.
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