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TBM grafting discussion
    #21750830 - 06/01/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My T. bridgesii monstrose has finally awoken from dormancy after I purchased it this last winter. I've read that it's a very slow grower when on it's own roots. I'd like to graft a piece to either pereskiopsis or a T. pachanoi for faster growth. My question to any of you would be which would be a better idea- Grafting the new pup to a pereskiopsis, or grafting a larger branch to the pachanoi. Another option would be to graft the new pup to a pachanoi like I did this crest. It has grown relatively fast since I took it from it's mother.


Crested pach to normal pach.

Here's the TBM. Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks for stopping by.



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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: prismism] * 1
    #21750903 - 06/01/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It looks very nice. I like it and ferrel_human approves :awewink:


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21750955 - 06/01/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I respect your work, good sir. Thank you for the nod of approval. I only have one of these plants, so it's a bit of a gamble when deciding whether to cut it up when it's still so young. Have you ever grafted a monstrose variety before?


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: prismism] * 1
    #21751102 - 06/02/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've never grafted a TBM so I can only give you advice based on other grafts I've made. I would suggest you just graft a large piece onto a pachanoi instead of the small pup on pereskiopsis. Peres is better suited for seedlings in my opinion, anything larger than that should be made onto small pachanoi or another more permanent stock. It will just work better, be less fiddly and likely more successful. If the small pup fails it will likely die too, if the large arm fails you just re root it.

As for TBM being slow growers. They do seem to be slow when you compare them to non monstrose columnars but once they get a few arms they do speed up. Each arm will produce at least one pup a season. You basically double the amount of arms each season. I usually get Two pups each season, one in Spring and one in late Summer. The later pups usually don't fully develop in the season, they go dormant and continue maturing in the next season.


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: prismism]
    #21751203 - 06/02/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Spot on advice, as usual, from the veteran karode. I'm going to graft a large arm tip to a mature pachanoi. I know you said that you've never grafted a TBM, but would you expect the vascular ring to be about the same size as a regular columnar that size? If you don't know that's fine. I suppose it doesn't matter too much anyway.


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: prismism] * 1
    #21751214 - 06/02/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The rings on TBM are smaller than a usual 12 inch pachanoi, if I remember correctly. Not by much though. Just make sure they're aligned well and it should do well.

kadakuda, a member who used to post here a lot, has a great web page about grafting monstrose cactus. If you know the site then check it out. If not shoot me a PM and I'll link it.


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: prismism] * 1
    #21751222 - 06/02/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:wave:

Ive grafted a pup from a very similar looking tbm before,

one fell off in transit and upon arrival i grafted to myrtillocactus



once the graft had taken, BAP was applied.


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: Rafiikii]
    #21751226 - 06/02/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Someone with experience!

I couldn't think of someone who'd recently done one. Glad you piped in Rafiikii.


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: karode13]
    #21751256 - 06/02/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Someone with experience!

I couldn't think of someone who'd recently done one. Glad you piped in Rafiikii.




glad to help,

that's somewhat of an older picture of mine as well

I would have probably grafted to a thicker pereskiopsis if i would have had one at the time.


let that new growth grow out a bit and graft that id say


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: Rafiikii]
    #21751268 - 06/02/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ive grafted a pup from a very similar looking tbm before,

one fell off in transit and upon arrival i grafted to myrtillocactus



once the graft had taken, BAP was applied.




That is stellar. I needed a little encouragement before I started playing around with this variety. You guys have been a tremendous help. I'll update this in the future.


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: Rafiikii]
    #21751602 - 06/02/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I would suggest you just graft a large piece onto a pachanoi instead of the small pup on pereskiopsis.





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let that new growth grow out a bit and graft that id say





I agree with what they said.

Here are some TBM to pachanoi grafts I did using a small fresh pup sliced in half vertically to make two grafts. The Naum way






different ones from the last couple years. In my location, I can't seem to grow a healthy looking TBM on its own roots, so i have decided to graft all mine.


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: TheTortoise]
    #21751643 - 06/02/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Here are some TBM to pachanoi grafts I did using a small fresh pup sliced in half vertically to make two grafts. The Naum way







Thanks you for deciding to post THAT, a good piece of knowledge to carry around. :thumbup:


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: prismism]
    #21751894 - 06/02/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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My T. bridgesii monstrose has finally awoken from dormancy after I purchased it this last winter. I've read that it's a very slow grower when on it's own roots. I'd like to graft a piece to either pereskiopsis or a T. pachanoi for faster growth. My question to any of you would be which would be a better idea- Grafting the new pup to a pereskiopsis, or grafting a larger branch to the pachanoi. Another option would be to graft the new pup to a pachanoi like I did this crest. It has grown relatively fast since I took it from it's mother.


Crested pach to normal pach.

Here's the TBM. Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks for stopping by.






Definitely not a slow grower. Just grows differently. Give it a deeper pot, with room to grow the roots. My TBM clone B sent out 6 pup/branches in the last year alone. Each one grows to 2-4 inches long and about 1.5-2.5 thick. The cutting I took to graft, rotted immediately. So be cautious, it is temperamental.

If you wanted to graft one, that fresh green piece is ideal. Just be very sterile. Ive done a lot of grafts, and TBM is the only one that rotted from the get go.


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: TheTortoise]
    #21755264 - 06/02/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You're the man, Tortoise. Thanks for coming by with the solid input. Now I'm perplexed though. What was your motivation for slicing the scion vertically and grafting the way you did? I haven't seen naum's thread, so I'm very curious.
By the way, your gato reminds me of my own. They have similar coats, only mine has mutated ears.



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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: prismism] * 2
    #21755384 - 06/02/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I once had a cat that looked exactly like yours as well. Beautiful colorings


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: prismism] * 1
    #21755406 - 06/02/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The motivation to slice in half is that you can do two grafts instead of one with just a single pup/segment.

Though just a couple weeks ago I experimented with cutting the tip off a TBM segment and grafting it upside down. The tip had no areoles anyway so it seemed like another good way to do it.

Your cat is really pretty and that's interesting that she has mutated ears. I :heart: tortoiseshell cats


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: TheTortoise]
    #21755861 - 06/03/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Big Knowledge in this thread. I really liked those grafts,  as I never though about grafting tbm. Once I grafted pachanoi crest to regular pach and it took. I grafted only because I had big cuttings from a plant that I thought I saved from rot, instead that graft was the only piece that survived. 
Anyhow I do see that my opinion is shared among others.  Tbm is not that slow. I do have a decent sized plant (short branched clone).  I had it when it was 6 branches and it developed 4 more during the growing season (All of them bigger than previously existing ones and the latter fully developed earlier in this season )
now it is pushing 3 pups at once, and I expect more coming,  as the last 2 pups of previous year were in September.
This year,  in october I will take cuttings to propagate.  I think that I will take 2 or 3 outer branches,  and leave a compact " bush "

By the way,  I wonder if somebody has instead experience in grafting  de grafting and rooting Tbm crest. Due it's commercial value  and it's slow growth (this one is slower ),  i may want to graft my small exemplar.


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21756408 - 06/03/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

those bridgesii look awesome!... I have a Monsterous-cristae-Pachanoi, that I am growing up. I got it as a cutting earlier this year and am waiting for it to get established and throw out (wings or arms, that I can take extra cuttings from). So.. so far, I have 1 plant going, but I hope that in time I'll be able to grow more.

Love the montrose and cristae cacti.. thumbs up. :thumbup:


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Re: TBM grafting discussion [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21756482 - 06/03/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ill have to post my TBM, Penii de tres hombres. Its got 4 additional pups, and a scar from the one I removed. Originally it shared a pot with my bridgesii log and a pachanoi. I separated them early last week, and repotted them all individually. In my experience, some cuttings just take better.


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