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Has anyone tried growkits?
    #21749918 - 06/01/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There's a place called Midwest Grow-kits... Anyone have experience with this? They have all sort of stuff that is basically a complete set up with all the equipment needed and lights, etc....

Would it be cheaper/easier to buy all the stuff myself? SWIM has about 200-300 dollars to get started aside from spores... easiest Tek to do and start if SWIM doesn't use a kit? SWIM is looking for bulk-ish... Maybe a QP-HP dry per flush (How many Buckets?) SWIM loves the idea of hobby mushies and wants to put in some work... Research has been rather frustrating


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21749945 - 06/01/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes. Save the money or use it to buy a nice big quality pressure cooker.


They are a rip off.

The nice thing about this hobby is its dirt cheap, some jars, plastic totes, substrate/grains..

The only expensive item is a pressure cooker, after that maybe a flow hood if you choose to use one, but there is very little equiptment involved that ypu couldnt buy at wallmart or lowes


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21749954 - 06/01/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dude...fuck a grow kit...with your 300 buy some spores, a pressure cooker, some grains, some totes, and then use your money you have left to buy some pizza...oh yeah and a dehydrator... I spent 40 on spores 6 months ago and still have more than enough... anyways yeah, if your reading comprehension is on par then read the shit out of this site and handle it...


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21749969 - 06/01/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So what really is the basic stuff SWIM will need? whenever SWIM reads through a tek it's a lot to see @ one time and SWIM gets confused.... But once SWIM knows what to do, SWIM has it down


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21749975 - 06/01/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes. Save the money or use it to buy a nice big quality pressure cooker.


They are a rip off.

The nice thing about this hobby is its dirt cheap, some jars, plastic totes, substrate/grains..

The only expensive item is a pressure cooker, after that maybe a flow hood if you choose to use one, but there is very little equiptment involved that ypu couldnt buy at wallmart or lowes



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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mush madness]
    #21749981 - 06/01/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ahhhh thanks good to know. ab swim thing


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21749986 - 06/01/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

but if i get a pressure cooker, i need bulk substrate, and jars and containers and sterilizer and blahblahblah too right


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750003 - 06/01/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No you will just guarantee that your PF jars are sterile, and you will move to grain quickly anyways more than likely.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750006 - 06/01/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't let it overwhelm you...it's really simple...try the PF tek for your first grow...or if you feel that you can follow directions pick a bulk tek and use grains...this is not a hard hobby...it's extremely rewarding... just read up on the process...watch RR's videos...cleanliness, patience, and the ability to follow directions is all ya need to succeed.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21750014 - 06/01/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh yeah... and some spores...they always help...lol


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750036 - 06/01/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What's a cheap and easy tek to start with for bulk? Thanks for the vote of confidence!


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750039 - 06/01/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yes, but it's worth it in my opinion. I went to grains right off the bat and didn't have any problems. That being said, if you are not trying to deal with the pressure cooker and stuff you can always do the PF tek for extremely cheap.  It is idiot proof and will get you mushrooms if you follow the instructions.  Here's a couple writeups and videos on how to do it.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324#15223324
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750047 - 06/01/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ill break down the basics for you

8 1/2 pint or 1/4 pint wide mouth shoulderless mason jars for canning

1 bag of garden vermiculate

1 bag of brown rice flour

A pressure cooker or a large pot with lid

A lighter

And of coarse a spore syringe i recomend b+ for beginners

Thats all you need to get started!
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750057 - 06/01/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What's a cheap and easy tek to start with for bulk? Thanks for the vote of confidence!




Coir, but look around a little and read alot . I have been lurking here for over a year, every time I search it leads me to a new question and a new search. 

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750102 - 06/01/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just used their 5 grain and rye bags. 1 5 grain flourished and one contamed after i shook it which is what youre not supposed to do. The ryes did ok but were slower, but i spawned all three to bulk and they are all coming along amazingly! Fluffy thick white clouds and many pins!

I highly recommend it because you dont have to deal with the stress of sterilization- the worst part of growing! Let the pros do it and the rest is easy, just be patient!

Get two bags of 5 grain, 1 brick of coir, 1 bag of verm from midwest and a clear 66qt tote and a bag of polyfill from walmart. Follow d5050 coir tek and you have a years worth of shrooms for like 50$.

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: britzman]
    #21750165 - 06/01/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, but your not buying the kit. Your doing bulk, just letting some "pro" do the sterilizing for you.

OP, if you have that much money to invest you can buy everything you need to grow 5+ years of shrooms and still have some Money leftover.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: Grey]
    #21750270 - 06/01/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sterilizing is the easy part man, its just running your jars/bags thru a pressure cooker cycle. Easier than making a pizza.

Trouble is if you then go innoculating it with a syringe (which are rarely cleam enough to put to grain) you make yourself vulnerable to whatever contamination.

The hard part of spawn production isnt being able to sterilize, but to be able to open up that sterile grain to inoculate with clean culture and making transfers to expand it, which takes some practice


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: Grey]
    #21750435 - 06/01/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You could also buy their kits. But I find my method is most bang for your buck. Ive read so many headaches about pc fails on here that it turned me off to doing that.

Plus you know youre getting the right proportions and ingredients with midwest. They give results (see ebay).

You get stressed out about getting the right type of coir, screwing up the recipe, bad water etc but mid west sells stuff premade and preselected to WORK. I just washed hands, open the bag and inoculate. They all did fine except the one i mistakingly shook.

So can you save 30$ over 5 years diy? Ya but folks like me just wanna get from point a to b asap and midwest seems to have everything to do so. No extra stuff to buy!


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: britzman]
    #21750448 - 06/01/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Outgrow also sounds good!! Que shroom snobbery


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750450 - 06/01/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So here's a question....

What if instead of inoculating jars etc and wasting money on those (which break) I can just make a grow chamber that grows mycellium... THEN i can put it into a bulk, case it and cover it which I can then spread throughout other buckets? I think I'd only ever have to replace the substrate and case?

Edit: Can i use straight up compost from food if I PC the substrate? that would have A TOOOOON OF NUTRIENTS


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: britzman]
    #21750454 - 06/01/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You could also buy their kits. But I find my method is most bang for your buck. Ive read so many headaches about pc fails on here that it turned me off to doing that.

Plus you know youre getting the right proportions and ingredients with midwest. They give results (see ebay).

You get stressed out about getting the right type of coir, screwing up the recipe, bad water etc but mid west sells stuff premade to WORK.

So can you save 30$ over 5 years diy? Ya but folks like me just wanna get from point a to b asap and midwest seems to have everything to do so. No extra stuff to buy!





To each their own, I just think buying pre made stuff takes the fun out of learning

In the long run it will always be cheapest to learn how to do things yourself, I personally like to look at a project and think yeah I did that


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750473 - 06/01/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So here's a question....

What if instead of inoculating jars etc and wasting money on those (which break) I can just make a grow chamber that grows mycellium... THEN i can put it into a bulk, case it and cover it which I can then spread throughout other buckets? I think I'd only ever have to replace the substrate and case?





I think you have a whole lotta research to do man. I dont think you really understand those terms too well

Short answer, no.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21750478 - 06/01/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i figured not. I know about master jars and whatnot, so i wasn't sure if that would be similar


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21750479 - 06/01/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How would you plan on sterilizing that grow chamber? You can't grow spawn in an unsterile environment.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mush madness]
    #21750484 - 06/01/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Research...research...research... follow a tek to the T...if you don't feel like it's possible for you to follow a tek without deviating then a kit ain't really gonna help you either...


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: britzman]
    #21750561 - 06/01/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You could also buy their kits. But I find my method is most bang for your buck. Ive read so many headaches about pc fails on here that it turned me off to doing that.

Plus you know youre getting the right proportions and ingredients with midwest. They give results (see ebay).

You get stressed out about getting the right type of coir, screwing up the recipe, bad water etc but mid west sells stuff premade and preselected to WORK. I just washed hands, open the bag and inoculate. They all did fine except the one i mistakingly shook.

So can you save 30$ over 5 years diy? Ya but folks like me just wanna get from point a to b asap and midwest seems to have everything to do so. No extra stuff to buy!





If you do a minimal amount of research, those things you are stressed about are non issue.

But 30$ ? Over 5 years?

Here is a perfect example. Midwest sells 2 spawn bags for 20$..

I pay about 50$ per case of 100 spawn bags, so I pay about 50 cents per bag and use maybe 1.50 worth of grain per 5lb spawn bag.

So 20$ makes me at least 10 to 15, 5lb spawn bags... which at thier price would cost 100-150$

They sell a 2$ brick of coir for 10$. 1$ worth of casin mix for 20$

I run about 20 tubs per month at a total cost of *maybe* 5$ per tub.

At the prices midwest grow kits marks up it would cost 200$ in spawn bags and 400$ in substrate to do my grow.

So by my calculations, I save 500$ per month, and if I continue to grow at this rate, I would save 30,000$ in the next 5 years by not buying from midwest grow kits.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21750597 - 06/01/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also, if your stuff contaminates you have to order more and wait for it to arrive. I simply dump out and start over...asap.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21750603 - 06/01/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just a few q.... I'm gonna go with the PF Tek, and I'm not sure how much I want to grow... so a few questions to east stress are,


--How many 1/2 pint wide-mouths should I do per-tub, and how big of a pressure cooker should I use to do that??
--If I can get two tubs per pressure cooker, that's fine.
--Can i just "feed" the substrate with brown rice flower and moisture  and case it again?? (verm holds water) or do I have to re-do the whole thing? (which is fine too...)
--I know b+ tend to be not too strong, I'm no spring chicken... I've done my fair share of things. I love visuals but dont like the "food poisoning" gut feeling and body creeps most shrooms tend to give me. I do them specifically for the visuals open and closed eyes. Is there a better strain for this, or do you still recommend b+?



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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750634 - 06/01/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It depends on what spawn/substrate ratio your wanting to use.

You gotta start over...It'll be fun tho.

B+ and Golden Teacher are always the go to recommendation for beginners. It doesn't matter too much unless your trying to grow a PE variety. I personally like growing Golden Teacher (plenty visual).


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: Grey]
    #21750755 - 06/01/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

-"I know b+ tend to be not too strong"

Yea this total misinformation. B+ is psilocybe cubensis, the same species as golden teacher, mexi cube, PE, A+ , treasure coast etc.

All cubensis have the same growing parameters abd when grown from spore have the same potential for yeild and potency, they just vary cosmetically.
If grown from spore B+ might be super potent one grow and garbage the next..

Just ignore those sort of statements. Some of the most potent mushrooms I have ever grown were B+


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750762 - 06/01/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, so lets go with the Goldens (i've done them)


Well, I just found a pack of 16 4oz wide-mouth jars (exactly as needed) in my house i had no idea i had, so a pressure cooker it is I guess...

Question- the tek posted says 2:1:1 Verm/Rice Fl/Water
2 cups, 1 cup, 1 cup, correct?
It also says to do 5 jars. That is one tub, I assume 10 jars would be 2 tubs? ad how big should the tubs be? 55QT?

--Best place to buy a pressure cooker (size?) (recommendations?)
--Best place to buy substrates and whatnot? We have a bulk landscaping place, but I assume i wouldn't want to buy all of that in the same place... i'm not sure what their prices are. Whatever it is, the 250 will cover most things i need.

"if grown from spore B+ might be super potent one grow and garbage the next.."

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750773 - 06/01/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.amazon.com/Presto-01781-23-Quart-Pressure-Canner/dp/B0000BYCFU/ref=sr_1_19?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1433215863&sr=1-19&keywords=electric+pressure+cooker

This looks pretty decent, i figured if the top sucks, i can use some sort of vice grips to hold it as long as i don't crush it


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750786 - 06/01/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Looking for consistency..



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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750793 - 06/01/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The presto 23 qt will work well for you, I have 2 of them now. Wall world has them for $ 75 and sometimes ebay for $70 shipped


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    #21750810 - 06/01/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Agreed.  The 23qt presto is a great PC to start with.


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    #21750815 - 06/01/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's the pressure cooker I use, only newer. It'll be a little overkill for pftek, but it will work. It'll work well for bulk when you get there.

The jars for pftek are normally the 8oz. Wide mouth. Those will work, you'll just need more of them if your gonna spawn to bulk.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: Big Bear]
    #21750837 - 06/01/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So if I go with agar, do I just do this instead of cakes? I don't understand what "plates" are.

I'm assuming it's basically the same as cakes where you put it on the substrate and case, correct?


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750879 - 06/01/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So if I go with agar, do I just do this instead of cakes? I don't understand what "plates" are.

I'm assuming it's basically the same as cakes where you put it on the substrate and case, correct?




Agar is used to make clean cultures and isolate genetics


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21750888 - 06/01/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

so... basically i would do Agar, then print them to the BR/Verm jars, and proceed as normal

Is there a way to store these spores so i don't have to do this over and over every time

Edit: this would make it NOT PF tek anymore, right? what bucket tek would i want to use instead if this is the case? OR can I just add some of this to sterilized jar (in an airless box) instead of innoculating with a syringe, and continue as normal


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    #21753171 - 06/02/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Decided to start with agar, so how would I do the transfers to jars? compared to needle inoculation


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21753804 - 06/02/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So by my calculations, I save 500$ per month, and if I continue to grow at this rate, I would save 30,000$ in the next 5 years by not buying from midwest grow kits.


OP is not trying to to be a shroom king pin like you. If you know what youre doing and are trying to run a grow op, of course you play by those rules.

Im paying for convienance,peace of mind and when it comes down to growing less than a pound of shrooms with no experience, its a great deal.

"Minimal research" for some can amount to hours of digging through conflicting opinions in endless threads like i did before i said f it and went premade. So happy i did!

I dont give a shit about learning anything. i just want shrooms asap. Midwest delivers.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: britzman]
    #21753945 - 06/02/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: britzman]
    #21754172 - 06/02/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So by my calculations, I save 500$ per month, and if I continue to grow at this rate, I would save 30,000$ in the next 5 years by not buying from midwest grow kits.


OP is not trying to to be a shroom king pin like you. If you know what youre doing and are trying to run a grow op, of course you play by those rules.

Im paying for convienance,peace of mind and when it comes down to growing less than a pound of shrooms with no experience, its a great deal.

"Minimal research" for some can amount to hours of digging through conflicting opinions in endless threads like i did before i said f it and went premade. So happy i did!

I dont give a shit about learning anything. i just want shrooms asap. Midwest delivers.




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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mush madness]
    #21754579 - 06/02/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OP deff trying to learn.

i went out and got stuff today, 2 totes (66qt), gloves, 70IPA, jars,  Tinfoil, some glad stuff (to do Agar in plastic and not glass i saw i can pressure cook the plastic fine 5-10 times)

I dont have a Pressure cooker, spores, or a substrate, or agar yet. many places were closed when i went out already. As far as a PC goes, is aluminum OK or do i NEED stainless steel quality?

Thinking about substrate, I can probably get manure (horse) VERY easy, and VERY cheap. is it easy to use compared to BRF/Verm?


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21754597 - 06/02/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

it's all easy stuff. it's the learning how to ride the bike part and sorting it all out that some people struggle with. depends on your tenacity to succeed. some noobs post a monotub grow on their first post because that's how good their research skills are some people don't. I didn't have much to show with my first post but I was determined and here I am now.

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21754638 - 06/02/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

is there a standard "poo tek" ?


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21754645 - 06/02/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

pasteurize it.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844
jars if you're doing a few to a case of quart jars at a time.


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    #21754655 - 06/02/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok. I'll be doing that then. Next question- What do i case it with, and should I add BRF to add food nutrients for more flushes


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21754660 - 06/02/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

no leave brf in the PF cakes. BRF is like the grain spawn just ground up. the grain spawn is your "new brf" if you're doing spawn and bulk substrate grows.

you can use coir, vermiculite, CVG, jiffy mix, cactus soil, potting soil, peat moss and lime, and some other things as a casing, but you don't need a casing layer at all.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21754666 - 06/02/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Thinking about substrate, I can probably get manure (horse) VERY easy, and VERY cheap. is it easy to use compared to BRF/Verm?




Personally I skipped the whole pf cake thing ( i did start to make them but imo it was a pita) I went with coir for bulk and am using h.poo now, poo is just as easy as coir imo.

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21754734 - 06/02/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah. I'm just going to start with h-poo. So a casing layer isnt neccesary? How would you grow spawns if you don't make cakes? I'm trying to do Agar to ? to H-poo


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21754740 - 06/02/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

agar to inoculate spawn jars(sterile and sterile technique). spawn jars to inoculate poo(cleanliness but not sanitary or sterile)

spawn into a monotub for instance and fruit it after colonization. make trays and put them in a SGFC. make blocks and put them in a green house.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21754764 - 06/02/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What is a "tray"

and how do i make a shotgun fruiting chamber? I'd prefer to use as few holes as possible, and use Poly-fil... My cats are pricks and will probably be on or around the box at least some (will keep away as much as possible) so i cant have open holes in the tubs (2x)


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21754794 - 06/02/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20947447#20947447

Hey Bod I just saw this, nice wright up, wish I would have had it when I started messing with agar


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mush madness]
    #21754800 - 06/02/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mush madness]
    #21754850 - 06/02/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yep, you'll get it sorted out soon. Post a thread when you figure out what you want to do and people will help you out


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21754862 - 06/02/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So to my underatanding, basically this is what i should do (roughly)

Agar jars (first)
Colonize the jars
Make the tubs, sterilize them (70%iso rub, right?)
Pasteurize the poop, & add it to the tubs when I'm ready to coloni
----tape the holes until colonized, right?
(light cycle here????)
Once colonized, I can remove the tape, and add Polyfil+fan, correct? (How would I do the bottom holes? if they are at first taped for colonization, and then i change to polyfill if it's colonized, arent the holes under the substrate on the side, wouldnt this create an issue?)
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21754942 - 06/02/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So to my underatanding, basically this is what i should do (roughly)

Agar jars (first)
Colonize the jars
Make the tubs, sterilize them (70%iso rub, right?)
Pasteurize the poop, & add it to the tubs when I'm ready to coloni
----tape the holes until colonized, right?
(light cycle here????)
Once colonized, I can remove the tape, and add Polyfil fan, correct? (How would I do the bottom holes? if they are at first taped for colonization, and then i change to polyfill if it's colonized, arent the holes under the substrate on the side, wouldnt this create an issue?)
Wait.



You don't sterilize the tub nor do you sanitize it. It doesnt have to be that clean after you use you spawn to inoculate bulk substrate.

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21755008 - 06/02/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry if I'm asking a lot, i learn through asking questions more than out of a book or instructions (they do help for sure though...)

---Monotub tek-
(ok, cool. seems easy enough. Just put the light in the closet close to the tubs, and do an on/off cycle...
---Agar tek
(I don't understand exactly why or how to separate strains or how to see the difference, what i should look for, what to save, how to save... THIS I need more research on FOR SURE.... I dont want to have to pour anything, to where I make a mess, or have a chance to spread whatever...... Still researching AGAR stuff, but seeing how i want CONSISTENCY, i've chosen this because of failure rates.)
---H-poo in the monotub(s), No casing layer (you said I don't need one? Isnt casing for stopping bacteria from entering the substrate? I feel that could be helpful when switching from Tape to Polyfil?)


***You said make a post when i know what i want to do... This is what i want to do***

Edit: agar POWDER??
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=agar

edit edit: Agar trays?
http://www.amazon.com/EZ-BioResearch-Pre-poured-Plates-plates/dp/B004MKHNJK/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1433302573&sr=8-8&keywords=agar


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21755083 - 06/02/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lets step by step it

You dont want the pre poured trays, the agar you listed is agar agar which is fine but you will need a nutrient like malt or potatoe flakes

Look on the sponsor page, you can buy them mixed in powder form with the nutrient added

Also you will want to have 2 types on hand to prevent your mycelium from getting lazy


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mush madness]
    #21755105 - 06/02/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I apologize, two types of what specifically? I really would like to use honey, because i know it's human life sustaining properties. i feel it would get me very healthy mycel


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21755122 - 06/02/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I use mea and pda

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mush madness]
    #21755144 - 06/02/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

mea/pda? I'm sorry, i dont know the abbv of things yet.

i saw this too

1,000ml water
20 grams dry dog food
20 grams agar agar

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21755163 - 06/02/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Potato Dextrose Agar - PDA

Malt Extract Agar - MEA

Im sure that one will work just fine


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    #21755248 - 06/02/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

wait wait, i thought agar was a seaweed extract, you can get different agar?


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    #21755279 - 06/02/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Agar is the gel making part its not nutritious so it won't break down like gelatin or pectin would. You add ypd or malt extract to make the agar viable for something to grow on it. Man middle school biology is really falling apart in the world


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    #21755340 - 06/02/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This agar thing is slightly overwhelming... Still trying though. All i've been doing for three hours is figuring out HOW to do agar right with different teks, and if i need to some sort of second jar to colonize or if i can just mix the agar with honey or malt extract, have it grow mycel, and add it to the box. If it's as easy as agar, honey, water, and adding it to the box directly (instead of colonizing a jar into cakes)

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    #21755349 - 06/02/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The point is to start with a clean culture and then to expand your spawn before going to bulk.


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    #21755368 - 06/02/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes... So would I expand it in the jar like that? if Agar is much more colonized , I'm worried about making TOO MUCH, and adding TOO MUCH to the tub directly from the agar... Do i need a step between Agar and adding to Bulk?

@bohisatta, I see in your "spores are for microscopy only" link it says to transfer to PF cakes, but someone said NOT to do that... you can just suck it up with water into a syringe to PF it, right? Also, are Spore prints or Liquid better for agar


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    #21755399 - 06/02/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes... So would I expand it in the jar like that? if Agar is much more colonized , I'm worried about making TOO MUCH, and adding TOO MUCH to the tub directly from the agar... Do i need a step between Agar and adding to Bulk?

@bohisatta, I see in your "spores are for microscopy only" link it says to transfer to PF cakes, but someone said NOT to do that... you can just suck it up with water into a syringe to PF it, right? Also, are Spore prints or Liquid better for agar




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    #21755402 - 06/02/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You have to use different lids to use agar with pf tek jars. You skip the dry verm barrier and use a gas exchange lid


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    #21755419 - 06/02/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Is there a better or easier option? i think you mean GE lid on the JAR and not the Monotubs, right?


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    #21755435 - 06/02/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Is there a better or easier option? i think you mean GE lid on the JAR and not the Monotubs, right?




You could buy all your stuff including pc and spores and just do a ms ( multi spore) in grain and then to bulk in a mono

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    #21755449 - 06/02/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because I'm using h-poo (nearly free)If i still to Brown Rice/Verm jars, can i just transplant that to H-poo and have no issues?

also, Multispore will make "new" kinds of spores I can name or whatever right?  (liquid, or prints??)


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    #21755610 - 06/02/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What syringes should i get and from where? (I live in NY and there's huge heroin problems so i need some stupid certificate of need or something??)


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    #21755651 - 06/03/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Where I live, I can order spore syringes and have them delivered all day long but I can't order just empty syringes because of local laws. It sounds stupid but it's the truth.


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    #21755686 - 06/03/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ahhh i meant for jar innoculating for empty jars (gonna have to put the Agar in something to poke into grain jars)


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    #21756137 - 06/03/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ahhh i meant for jar innoculating for empty jars (gonna have to put the Agar in something to poke into grain jars)





Typically we just open the lid and drop a wedge of agar in with a sterilized scalpel.
Youll need to make and learn to use a still air box for this kind of stuff.

I live in NY too. You can buy syringes at pharmacy with no paper in this state.

But they only sell insulin syringes, much too small for our purposes. If you are working with agar you wont need syringes ever tho.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21756194 - 06/03/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah new2doinstuff, you really don't need syringes even when working with liquids. If you are going to go the agar route, you might as well learn how to make LI. You can just pour LI, unlike LC which tends to all clump together. Grain jars noc'd up with agar wedges take a while to colonize which is why a lot of growers go the route of LC. LC culture is more reliable when noc'd up with agar wedges but they also take time to colonize. LI on the other hand is the quickest most reliable way to have a shit ton of spawn very quickly. I can start from inoculant> agar> LI> grain and have spawn in less than 2 weeks.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: insanemike]
    #21756405 - 06/03/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You guys are extremely helpful thank you.


whats the difference between LC and LI? Tek?


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    #21756456 - 06/03/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A LC or Liquid Culture is a liquid nutrient medium used for expanding mycelium cultures. A LI or Liquid Inoculant is simply agar and sterile water blended into a semi solid/semi liquid inoculant.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20429745/page/1

Muda uses a syringe but I just pour mine into the receiving jar in front of a flow hood.


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    #21756463 - 06/03/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

IMO you shouldn't worry about all that yet.

decide whether to spend money on pressure cooker and go for grains or not.
if you do, just do what frank does http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897217#17897217
first link there called 12 steps to mushrooms is a good compilation of what he does into 1 tek.

if you DONT wanna spend 80 bucks on a PC just yet, simply follow www.mushroomvideos.com

get some exp doing either of those 2 methods. then you dont need to ask all these Q's about everything cult related. I think its too much for 1 person to grasp before he's even grown a cube.

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    #21756477 - 06/03/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: you are probably right, space. He asked about obtaining syringes and I got a little excited, since I had the same problem.


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    #21756511 - 06/03/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I already bought a pc and agar and karo so.... full speed already.


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    #21756512 - 06/03/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Im doing agar to grain jars to h-poo


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    #21756531 - 06/03/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Im doing agar to grain jars to h-poo




Then LI is the way to go.:thumbup:


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21756565 - 06/03/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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IMO you shouldn't worry about all that yet.

decide whether to spend money on pressure cooker and go for grains or not.
if you do, just do what frank does http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897217#17897217
first link there called 12 steps to mushrooms is a good compilation of what he does into 1 tek.

if you DONT wanna spend 80 bucks on a PC just yet, simply follow www.mushroomvideos.com

get some exp doing either of those 2 methods. then you dont need to ask all these Q's about everything cult related. I think its too much for 1 person to grasp before he's even grown a cube.

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: insanemike]
    #21756621 - 06/03/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Im doing agar to grain jars to h-poo




Then LI is the way to go.:thumbup:




even tho I agree I think he would be more motivated to keep cultivating
if he just take the simplest route to ensure results
as opposed to failing somewhere along the way of either making the LI or pasteurizing the manure.

I'd just do agar to grains, g2g some and spawn some masters directly to bulk in smaller tubs with coir+verm sub just so he can get some fruits to print and eat.

chances are both the LI and manure sub will work out but there's nothing as discouraging as multiple fails when you're just starting out.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21756654 - 06/03/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Im doing agar to grain jars to h-poo




Then LI is the way to go.:thumbup:




even tho I agree I think he would be more motivated to keep cultivating
if he just take the simplest route to ensure results
as opposed to failing somewhere along the way of either making the LI or pasteurizing the manure.

I'd just do agar to grains, g2g some and spawn some masters directly to bulk in smaller tubs with coir+verm sub just so he can get some fruits to print and eat.

chances are both the LI and manure sub will work out but there's nothing as discouraging as multiple fails when you're just starting out.




Sound advice,  or cut out the g2g and just go agar to grain to bulk one less thing to go wrong on the first attempt


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mush madness]
    #21756669 - 06/03/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What is g2g? And when you say "directly" i assume you mean directly from agar to the grow box skipping cakes... im doing hpoo to save money. Im SPECIFICALLY doing that because i habe it READILY AVAILABLE.

how much will i need per tub? I appreciare the thought of failures being discouraging but tue momey im spending wont be put to waste. Try try again


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21756678 - 06/03/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

g2g is grain 2 grain, its on the list of how frank gets his shit done which I linked. its a great way to expand spawn.
I say do some agar to grain to bulk without g2g because g2g is an added vector for failure.
but since g2g is so f'in great you should try g2g'ing some jars too so you get used to it.

everything you need to know is in the list of how frank does shit.
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21756692 - 06/03/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wait... i thought you made cakes WITH grain n9w im auper confused.  Whats the grain step?


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21756703 - 06/03/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

no you prep grains, load them in jars and pc them.
checkout franks wbs prep. RR has a rye prep on www.mushroomvideos.com too.

you have a pressure cooker (PC), you're not doing pf-tek cakes, so forget about perlite, brf, sgfc etc..


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    #21756704 - 06/03/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah... maybe you should take spacies advice and take baby steps through the bulk process.


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    #21756758 - 06/03/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How about adding LI to spawn bags instead of jars after preparing the grain? Or, are jars a better method? Im gonna do every step perfectly and wait for contam to show [or not] before moving on to the next step. I know this is a very large project and im taking in a lot of info, but tou guys are helping me a lot more than youd think..

so the proccess im planning is

set up tub, set aside
Make agar trays. [look for contams, document the best cultures ...fastest growing, etcetc... IMO the fun part. I dont have a microscope though.
make LI after that out of the best stuff.
once I have that process down,
Then i will PC the grain and then bag or jar it
Watch for contams
Patience
THEN pasteurize the h-poo, and add the successful bags..


I know this takes patience. Im stubborn so i know all about that
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    #21756766 - 06/03/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

almost there. read franks 12 steps and then come back with questions :super:


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    #21756775 - 06/03/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Find me the best agar tek you can find through the search function and post it here. Let's see how good your research skills are.


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    #21756878 - 06/03/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Side question - can i use pasteruized [PC] food compost as food to "renew" a grow?


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    #21756898 - 06/03/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That is agar and is a really decent tek, hamloaf is a great cultivator. That maybe a little difficult for you to pull off for a first timer although,  I do love your ambition. Try this tek out.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976


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    #21756901 - 06/03/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe he could try Muda's bottle tek. It's pretty easy.


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    #21756918 - 06/03/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If I were you I would definitely follow spacies advice and follow frank horrigan's bulk tek. I love hpoo and would almost always suggest adding atleast some poo to a bulk substrate. But for your fisrt grow, let's try to keep your chances of success a little higher.


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    #21757079 - 06/03/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What about hpoo makes it less succesful?

also, how do i turn the agar INTO  LI?


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    #21757094 - 06/03/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not about it being less successful, it's about you being more successful. Proper pasteurization can be a bit tricky for a beginner. Mold spores don't readily germinate on coir or verm. It would be best for you to start with CVG until your pasteurization process is mastered, them you can m9ve onto a more nutritious substrate such as hpoo.


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    #21757099 - 06/03/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Let's focus on agar before we start with anything else. Do you have a print or a syringe to work with?


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    #21757294 - 06/03/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not yet.


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    #21757301 - 06/03/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I could easily practice pasteurization monday, ans get more poo later. I can literally get it free... possibly sheep for cheap also, so when the agar is ready i have all that down


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    #21757323 - 06/03/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pasteurization will only create a window of about 2 eeeks for your culture to take a foot hold before something else can germinate and establish itself. But if proper pasteurization isn't reached,...wham! You get the mean green and you don't want the mean green. Without any experience, it would be best for you to keep the odds on your side until you get the hang of the whole process first. Do what you feel you need to young eager one but I strongly urge you to take my advice.


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    #21757364 - 06/03/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My friend makes beer.... do you think if he helped me out we'd have issues? He pasteurizes, so thia should he about the same making it a non issue.... no?


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    #21757415 - 06/03/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey I dunno if anyone has mentioned this yet, growkits suuuuuuuck!!!!!:zombie3:


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    #21757435 - 06/03/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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My friend makes beer.... do you think if he helped me out we'd have issues? He pasteurizes, so thia should he about the same making it a non issue.... no?




I can not weigh in on that. I know nothing about brewing beer.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: insanemike]
    #21757455 - 06/03/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think ill take my chances... instead of doing large buckets i think ill pasteurize a bunch of small ones so im not wasting a ton. If im gonna be patient and learn a certain tek, i may as well just DO IT. By doing small batches repeatedly


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    #21757471 - 06/03/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In terms of spores the o def concentrate on the agar


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    #21757498 - 06/03/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can pasteurize substrate in glass quart jars in a stock pot or a pc. Just bring substrate to field capacity and then place in jars. Place aluminum foil around mouth of jars and then place in pot that is filled with enough water to come up about 2" above the bottom of the jars. Turn burner on stove top to medium/low. I usually place analog (digital ones seem to get water logged) thermometer in center jar. Gently press it down into substrate until the back of the gauge touches the aluminum foil you just punctured. Keep a hawks eye on the thermometer, do not leave it unattended for any amount of time. It will take forever for the temp to start to go up but but once it does it can really take off so be patient. As soon as the thermometer reaches 125*F turn off the heat and remove from burner. Place lid on pot and let sit until cool. If you don't trust it, wait 15 minutes and check temp again. The temp should peak at 165*F and not fall below 140*F before the 2 hour mark. That is it in a nutshell.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21757567 - 06/03/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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My friend makes beer.... do you think if he helped me out we'd have issues? He pasteurizes, so thia should he about the same making it a non issue.... no?



Its a completely different procedure but the same principles.


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    #21757580 - 06/03/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That does not seem too hard at all... lets ralk Agar. Use a tek, Cool. How do i make LI and not LC? I was told LC might clog


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    #21757677 - 06/03/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you're using agar skip lc or li until you think they're something that can help you out. If you're using agar just use the agar for now


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    #21757954 - 06/03/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How would i move from agar to poo without a solid colony to spread... I could just change the heat to switch into fruit mode [so to speak]  the only question is how i'll keep it at 85 to fruit.

Next order of business. Who has good spores, should i ship it to a place that isnt my house, and should i mix two or just go with one? Also, i have to mix h-poo with hay, right?


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    #21757974 - 06/03/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you inoculate spawn with agar. skipping the whole added step of making the LC then using the LC. LC, LI, agar and spores are all inoculates. When you understand why you're making another inoculant again with a different inoculant then make it. LC can be a quick thing if you're doing hundreds of jars it's easier than agar wedges into each jar no doubt. if you're doing 12-24 jars a week even agar is far quicker than LC. you could make a pipeline but that's a lot of extra work for no real gain, you can pipeline your jars too rather than pipeline another inoculant step.


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    #21757976 - 06/03/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Agar to grain to poo

You wont keep it at 85,  65 to 75 degrees is perfect

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    #21758081 - 06/03/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmmmmm.. ... ok. So the only other things I need then are Spores, Hay, light karo and Hpoo.


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    #21758118 - 06/03/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Idk what agar to grain to poo means if poo is my substrate and i go directly from agar to poo, thisvis rather contradictory


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    #21758151 - 06/03/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"Poo" is your bulk substrate.  Grain is your bulk spawn.  You spawn the agar to the grains, wait for them to colonize, then spawn that to the sub.


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    #21758153 - 06/03/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

at some point you have to help your self. it's showing that you're not actually reading the TEKs but probably looking at the pictures. what tek do you see on here that shows agar to poo?

all of them show using spawn which was inoculated with something like agar and then the spawn itself inoculates a bulk substrate. if you read it you'll figure it out.


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    #21758685 - 06/03/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, I have been helping myself. I've been researching on and off the past 2 or 3 months. I actually just gotta get my hands wet with doing all this... The difference between all the Teks is confusing, and I was originally going to just do straight PF and learn... However, I said I was going for consistency and someone had said that Agar was necessary for that, so That's what I'm doing. I don't know a lot of the terminology and the differences off hand, so that can be confusing also.
This really seems pretty easy if I can keep the processes quick and clean.... It's really just like a cookbook except I'm playing with bacteria and fungus and sterilization. I love this kinda stuff.. i smoke a shit-ton of bud, and actually like tasting and experiencing strains and stuff.... Learning about the plant, so this is like right on track with that


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Did you find a tek to use?


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    #21758877 - 06/03/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pasty+Food coloring (Dark)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976#19208976

Spitball Monotubs + airflow (fans) + Polyfil (not magnets yet... not needed. Plus i'm not sure how good of a seal the are for contaminants from outside. i question this.)
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I'm still not sure how to transfer the Agar.The ONLY question i have is if i need LIQUID to inject into the tops, (drill w/silicon seals) or if I just scoop the Agar from it's own jar, into the Grain jars via Closed-Air Glovebox?? (BRF/Verm?)


Bulk: I've decided i want to do something cheap, Obviously Pasteurizing it....  so I'm gonna look into prices for the bulk, but seeing how i can get Hpoo free, I figured i would use that. BRF idk where to get other than our grocery store, and it seems to be expensive to do in the bottom of a tub, when 1Lb 8oz is friggin 11 dollars...... and Verm, idk what the prices are on that, but i KNOW h-poo has a LOT of nutrients in it... I'm triyng to keep costs low, i only have about another 60-120 to spend (i think??) Someone said the extra work of H-poo isn't worth the work.... pasteurizing grains and coir via pillowcase method is less frustrating with not too many losses, Plus, I can probably just throw some H-poo with the Coir (or grain) when I  pasteurize it anyways.

-I still need Spores or prints, and probably misc. things other than the important stuff (cleaning things. i have 70% iso and non-powdered nitrile gloves so far... undenatured alc+burner)

things I have already- tin foil, 2x3 glad rounds (not mini, couldnt find), 2 tubs, PC (ordered, getting monday) Jars, 70& iso, Agar.... I have things like paper towels and whatnot already.


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    #21758936 - 06/03/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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BRF idk where to get other than our grocery store, and it seems to be expensive to do in the bottom of a tub, when 1Lb 8oz is friggin 11 dollars...... and Verm, idk what the prices are on that, but i KNOW h-poo has a LOT of nutrients in it...




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no leave brf in the PF cakes. BRF is like the grain spawn just ground up. the grain spawn is your "new brf" if you're doing spawn and bulk substrate grows.




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you have a pressure cooker (PC), you're not doing pf-tek cakes, so forget about perlite, brf, sgfc etc..




do you even pay any attention to what we say or am I just wasting my time here?

and if you've read the grain preps or monotub teks you'll see you dont pasteurize grains
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    #21758953 - 06/03/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21759775 - 06/03/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Much appreciated... I'm not trolling Btw. It's actually funny that you'd think I am though.

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    #21759880 - 06/04/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We understand it is a lot to take in all at once but we are all here to help. First step is to obtain spores. Then you need to study and gain experience working with agar. The good thing about agar is that you only need to squirt a drop of spore solution into each agar dish. A spore syringe contains 10cc of spore solution every cc contains 20 drops. So all in all you have 200 agar plates to gain experience with from one spore syringe. The next step would be grain prep but lets focus on one thing at a time. Do you know what a SAB is?


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    #21760713 - 06/04/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OP watch some of these videos to get a feel for what your gonna be doing.

Munchausen's videos


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OP watch some of these videos to get a feel for what your gonna be doing.

Munchausen's videos




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Do you know what a SAB is?




I don't.


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    #21761975 - 06/04/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you have time this weekend try to build one so you have it

Do you have your grain ? Rye, oats, wheat, wbs ?

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    #21762096 - 06/04/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Checking into that- What grains should I use, and where can i get them cheaply? I have 96.55 left, with 20.00 being added back on due to Complaint to walmart about shipping speed of my PC :thumbup:


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    #21762108 - 06/04/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Rye , whole oats,  wheat

Kinda dependent upon your area and what you can find, feed stores are a great option

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    #21762115 - 06/04/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if you have a wally gift card buy sterile tubs, nitrile gloves, isopropyl 70% and 91% for cleaning your bong and dipping before flaming. the garden dept should be able to get verm. also get some nesco food dehydrators


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    #21762164 - 06/04/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dipping before flaming, I'm assiming this is for sterilizing, yes? Also,

i got Agar FLAKES by the way, so i don't have to break it apart

--currently looking at some spores that will "work"


edit: i all of that excap the 91% already


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    #21762172 - 06/04/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Costa Rica for Contam Resistance, and Columbian Rust (because I guess they're quite visual)


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    #21762201 - 06/04/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Costa Rica for Contam Resistance, and Columbian Rust (because I guess they're quite visual)




I just started working with the Columbian rust, they were super clean on agar along with everything else i picked up there. I think you will be quite happy with your choice to order from there , all quality for me so far.


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    #21762203 - 06/04/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Costa Rica for Contam Resistance, and Columbian Rust (because I guess they're quite visual)



total BS.
strain dictates things like that. not variety.

strain is the result of two compatible spores mating.


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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21762214 - 06/04/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ahhhhhhh.... i know with cannibis, you can just straight up cross stuff and know the results of traits(pretty much with trial and error) so i guess this isnt like that


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    #21762225 - 06/04/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'll just do the one strain before i try mixing. Where do people ship their spores to, their own house?


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    #21762434 - 06/04/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ahhhhhhh.... i know with cannibis, you can just straight up cross stuff and know the results of traits(pretty much with trial and error) so i guess this isnt like that



it's completely different than weed and plant genetics. in weed "variety/strains" do work like you might think

where else would you ship them?


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    #21762478 - 06/04/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

fair enough.

I'm gonna use Popcorn as my middle sub, and Hpoo as the main... a lot of people seem to have issues. do I HAVE to compost it? or can I use it from fresh? I just want to use it because it is readily available

note: Bulksubstrate inevitable WILL be the last thing I buy, I went with.

note 2: I bought Columbian Rust


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    #21762721 - 06/04/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"Middle sub" aka grain bc in an idiot


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    #21762874 - 06/04/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

just in case any of you haven't seen it all ready, here is a great guide for when you are researching.
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    #21763480 - 06/04/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Popcorn is okay to start off with but if you have a tractor supply company near you, I would suggest getting whole oats. Oats are the most forgiving grain out there.


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    #21763778 - 06/04/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What if instead of inoculating jars etc and wasting money on those (which break) I can just make a grow chamber that grows mycellium... THEN i can put it into a bulk, case it and cover it which I can then spread throughout other buckets? I think I'd only ever have to replace the substrate and case?



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    #21764053 - 06/04/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I bet you've already had more fun with this hobby then you would have got with a grow kit lol..


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    #21765228 - 06/05/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh for sure! Im having fun already learning and meeting you guys!


whole graon you say? Gotcha.

do i have to compost the fresh poo for a few months or can i use it fresh and washing machine/pc it right off the bat? If i have to compost it, ill just do coir instead... again the hpoo was to save money as irs readily available. Im Almost over budget.., i have everything except substrate, maybe 50 bucks or so left... wanted to make sure i gotvallvmyvsupplies and i did.


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    #21765246 - 06/05/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes. Save the money or use it to buy a nice big quality pressure cooker.


They are a rip off.

The nice thing about this hobby is its dirt cheap, some jars, plastic totes, substrate/grains..

The only expensive item is a pressure cooker




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All that!

Grow kits are people making money off of your nervousness. I sincerely recommend buying 1 pre-sterilized brf jar with self healing inoculation ports in the lid, and a syringe of spores. It's less then 40$ all and you get to watch the entire life cycle start-finish in an idiot proof contam free way. Once you have sterile environment mycelium, stretching it to make more is the easiest thing in the world. The main point I'm emphasizing here is gain knowledge and confidence with a grow you know will work. Plus you don't have to invest in a pressure cooker until you've grown 1 cycle and decided whether it's a hobby for you or not.  :goodluck:


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    #21765407 - 06/05/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I cant find this info i need.i can get fresh-ish hpoo. The lady has ine horse but i have other sources too. I understand it needs to be composted, but cubensis is a stage 1 composter [correct?] So all i have to do is pillowcase in my washing mashine and then pressure cook... correct?


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    #21765421 - 06/05/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hpoo just needs to be dry or dried by laying out on a tarp until it is. it must also not smell like shit, it should smell like soil.


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    #21765426 - 06/05/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But i still need to pc it... what about leeching?


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Oh for sure! Im having fun already learning and meeting you guys!


whole graon you say? Gotcha.

do i have to compost the fresh poo for a few months or can i use it fresh and washing machine/pc it right off the bat? If i have to compost it, ill just do coir instead... again the hpoo was to save money as irs readily available. Im Almost over budget.., i have everything except substrate, maybe 50 bucks or so left... wanted to make sure i gotvallvmyvsupplies and i did.




No just dry it out, or get dry poo straight from the field.

Even if its fresh you have time for it to dry, you still need to do your agar work and colonize your grain.

Dont pc it, pasteurize it

You should come in under budget

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Quote:

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Yes. Save the money or use it to buy a nice big quality pressure cooker.


They are a rip off.

The nice thing about this hobby is its dirt cheap, some jars, plastic totes, substrate/grains..

The only expensive item is a pressure cooker




^^^
All that!

Grow kits are people making money off of your nervousness. I sincerely recommend buying 1 pre-sterilized brf jar with self healing inoculation ports in the lid, and a syringe of spores. It's less then 40$ all and you get to watch the entire life cycle start-finish in an idiot proof contam free way. Once you have sterile environment mycelium, stretching it to make more is the easiest thing in the world. The main point I'm emphasizing here is gain knowledge and confidence with a grow you know will work. Plus you don't have to invest in a pressure cooker until you've grown 1 cycle and decided whether it's a hobby for you or not.  :goodluck:




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    #21765445 - 06/05/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So dry it, dont leech it, and pasteurze it.


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    #21765447 - 06/05/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It doesn't need to be leeched unless it still smells like shit. You do not pc hpoo, you pasteurize it. You should know this because I told you already. Check back on my previous posts and I will explain in detail of how to pasteurize .


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    #21765465 - 06/05/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually.... all of my questions have been answered. I have my teks, and everything bought.... everything except hpoo and grains for the jars, and am alcohol lamp. Gotta build a CAB but im in no rush yet, i dont even have the PC for 2 weeks yet.

so, im gonna work on Agar once I get my spores in a few days. If i have any questions ill just look it up and then ask... ill prob start a new thread once im started to document things and have advice thrown at me.... 

who here said they were also from ny when we talked abput syringes?


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    #21765472 - 06/05/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Actually.... all of my questions have been answered. I have my teks, and everything bought.... everything except hpoo and grains for the jars, and am alcohol lamp. Gotta build a CAB but im in no rush yet, i dont even have the PC for 2 weeks yet.

so, im gonna work on Agar once I get my spores in a few days. If i have any questions ill just look it up and then ask... ill prob start a new thread once im started to document things and have advice thrown at me.... 

who here said they were also from ny when we talked abput syringes?




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    #21765483 - 06/05/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You will also need that sab for agar


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