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insanemike

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: mushpunx]
#21756194 - 06/03/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah new2doinstuff, you really don't need syringes even when working with liquids. If you are going to go the agar route, you might as well learn how to make LI. You can just pour LI, unlike LC which tends to all clump together. Grain jars noc'd up with agar wedges take a while to colonize which is why a lot of growers go the route of LC. LC culture is more reliable when noc'd up with agar wedges but they also take time to colonize. LI on the other hand is the quickest most reliable way to have a shit ton of spawn very quickly. I can start from inoculant> agar> LI> grain and have spawn in less than 2 weeks.
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: insanemike]
#21756405 - 06/03/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You guys are extremely helpful thank you.
whats the difference between LC and LI? Tek?
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insanemike

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A LC or Liquid Culture is a liquid nutrient medium used for expanding mycelium cultures. A LI or Liquid Inoculant is simply agar and sterile water blended into a semi solid/semi liquid inoculant.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20429745/page/1
Muda uses a syringe but I just pour mine into the receiving jar in front of a flow hood.
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spacechildo
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IMO you shouldn't worry about all that yet.
decide whether to spend money on pressure cooker and go for grains or not. if you do, just do what frank does http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897217#17897217 first link there called 12 steps to mushrooms is a good compilation of what he does into 1 tek.
if you DONT wanna spend 80 bucks on a PC just yet, simply follow www.mushroomvideos.com
get some exp doing either of those 2 methods. then you dont need to ask all these Q's about everything cult related. I think its too much for 1 person to grasp before he's even grown a cube.
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insanemike

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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: spacechildo]
#21756477 - 06/03/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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you are probably right, space. He asked about obtaining syringes and I got a little excited, since I had the same problem.
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: insanemike]
#21756511 - 06/03/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I already bought a pc and agar and karo so.... full speed already.
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new2doinstuff
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Im doing agar to grain jars to h-poo
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insanemike

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new2doinstuff said: Im doing agar to grain jars to h-poo
Then LI is the way to go.
Edited by insanemike (06/03/15 08:58 AM)
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: spacechildo]
#21756565 - 06/03/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: IMO you shouldn't worry about all that yet.
decide whether to spend money on pressure cooker and go for grains or not. if you do, just do what frank does http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897217#17897217 first link there called 12 steps to mushrooms is a good compilation of what he does into 1 tek.
if you DONT wanna spend 80 bucks on a PC just yet, simply follow www.mushroomvideos.com
get some exp doing either of those 2 methods. then you dont need to ask all these Q's about everything cult related. I think its too much for 1 person to grasp before he's even grown a cube.

great advice....
-------------------- "They who can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin Lets Grow Mushrooms Videos PastyWhyte's Easy Agar TEK Agar's Liquid Inoculant TEK
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: insanemike]
#21756621 - 06/03/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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new2doinstuff said: Im doing agar to grain jars to h-poo
Then LI is the way to go.
even tho I agree I think he would be more motivated to keep cultivating if he just take the simplest route to ensure results as opposed to failing somewhere along the way of either making the LI or pasteurizing the manure.
I'd just do agar to grains, g2g some and spawn some masters directly to bulk in smaller tubs with coir+verm sub just so he can get some fruits to print and eat.
chances are both the LI and manure sub will work out but there's nothing as discouraging as multiple fails when you're just starting out.
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: spacechildo]
#21756654 - 06/03/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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insanemike said:
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new2doinstuff said: Im doing agar to grain jars to h-poo
Then LI is the way to go.
even tho I agree I think he would be more motivated to keep cultivating if he just take the simplest route to ensure results as opposed to failing somewhere along the way of either making the LI or pasteurizing the manure.
I'd just do agar to grains, g2g some and spawn some masters directly to bulk in smaller tubs with coir+verm sub just so he can get some fruits to print and eat.
chances are both the LI and manure sub will work out but there's nothing as discouraging as multiple fails when you're just starting out.
Sound advice, or cut out the g2g and just go agar to grain to bulk one less thing to go wrong on the first attempt
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What is g2g? And when you say "directly" i assume you mean directly from agar to the grow box skipping cakes... im doing hpoo to save money. Im SPECIFICALLY doing that because i habe it READILY AVAILABLE.
how much will i need per tub? I appreciare the thought of failures being discouraging but tue momey im spending wont be put to waste. Try try again
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spacechildo
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g2g is grain 2 grain, its on the list of how frank gets his shit done which I linked. its a great way to expand spawn. I say do some agar to grain to bulk without g2g because g2g is an added vector for failure. but since g2g is so f'in great you should try g2g'ing some jars too so you get used to it.
everything you need to know is in the list of how frank does shit. Forget about cakes, you bought a PC so its grains all the way for you now
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: spacechildo]
#21756692 - 06/03/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wait... i thought you made cakes WITH grain n9w im auper confused. Whats the grain step?
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spacechildo
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no you prep grains, load them in jars and pc them. checkout franks wbs prep. RR has a rye prep on www.mushroomvideos.com too.
you have a pressure cooker (PC), you're not doing pf-tek cakes, so forget about perlite, brf, sgfc etc..
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insanemike

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Yeah... maybe you should take spacies advice and take baby steps through the bulk process.
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: insanemike]
#21756758 - 06/03/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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How about adding LI to spawn bags instead of jars after preparing the grain? Or, are jars a better method? Im gonna do every step perfectly and wait for contam to show [or not] before moving on to the next step. I know this is a very large project and im taking in a lot of info, but tou guys are helping me a lot more than youd think..
so the proccess im planning is
set up tub, set aside Make agar trays. [look for contams, document the best cultures ...fastest growing, etcetc... IMO the fun part. I dont have a microscope though. make LI after that out of the best stuff. once I have that process down, Then i will PC the grain and then bag or jar it Watch for contams Patience THEN pasteurize the h-poo, and add the successful bags..
I know this takes patience. Im stubborn so i know all about that I'll ask for advice if i need it. My camera is my best friend to ask questions.. I have macro lens and im patient, and will document things...
Slow and steady but surely
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spacechildo
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almost there. read franks 12 steps and then come back with questions
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insanemike

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Find me the best agar tek you can find through the search function and post it here. Let's see how good your research skills are.
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Re: Has anyone tried growkits? [Re: insanemike]
#21756804 - 06/03/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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