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Rebelutionsssss said: .....really strong urges to dose.
On the topic of cravings/addiction/WD in regards to the leaf....I think there was some discussion in this thread several pages back, a week or two ago, but I was heading out the door when I read it and didn't have time to comment on it....your post reminded me tho.
When I go on my break from the leaf every month or two, if I don't taper my intake down before taking the break I'll be going through W/D for 48 to 72 hours or so...restless sleep, sore and achey, a bit irritable and lethargic during the day, my anxiety goes up a lot and I start to slip back into depressed feels (all relatively mild, but certainly not pleasant) . If I taper down before my break, there isn't much w/d but my anxiety and depression comes back and those are the two main reasons I've used this leaf on a daily regimen for the past several years.
But I have absolutely no urge or craving to dose when I'm going through w/d while on my break. Taking some certainly sounds nice, but there's no real cravings to take some .
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Tybg]
#22147022 - 08/26/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just wish it was easier to find really cheap kratom in low quantities. Usually you gotta order bulk if you want to get a good price.
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For all of you guys complaining about Kratom withdrawals being bad, I hope you never get addicted to traditional opioids/opiates. I don't wish that on anyone actually but Kratom w/d, even when I was eating 50+ g's a day for 3 weeks, was child's play compared to what I would experience with oxy and dope.
If you can't have kratom in front of you without doing it (like me), it certainly isn't a good idea to even dip your toes into the land of opiates. Those drugs will love you, hug you, and make you warm and fuzzy for a while then all of a sudden it turns into that crazy bitch you dated in college that constantly needed your attention, and if she didn't get it, would completely fuck your life up.
I made myself giggle with that analogy. lol
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
#22147095 - 08/26/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is a funny analogy for sure 
Kind of ironic its for such a dark subject too, I think it works pretty well though.
I may dabble with poppies at some point but I have no real desire to get into opiates at all.
I have seen them destroy lives firsthand so I would never let myself fall into that same lifestyle.
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What I might honestly do if it is not against the rule is msg some Canadian members here with kratom, see if we can do a little trade so I only have enough kratom for a week and no addiction happens.
Getting a kilo always results in daily use for me but I love this plant so much.
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Kratom is great, but I've never fell into doing it daily. Weed can be a habit with me, and I've actually been using kratom as my drug of choice to relax instead of weed.
Weed makes me lazy as shit, so that's why I need to quit it. Also makes me over eat. Kratom isn't like either one.
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I believe if you have the will power you can keep a moderate habit at bay.
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Anytime I get down to a couple ounces I start limiting my doses to two grams per day. I do this for a couple weeks or so. Depending on how much I had been dosing up to that point, I may feel a little lethargic or lacking enthusiasm in my daily chores.
It helps me lower my tolerance though before running out. Makes the withdrawals much more manageable. But even then, having come off heroin, Kratom is a breeze in comparison.
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Kratom is a breeze in comparison, but withdrawal is withdrawal, and it gets tougher each time.
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I am actually grateful for kratom because it maxed out my drug use. I never got into any worse or harder drugs and never will. kratom is a problem, but its my only problem. I don't have any downsides in daily life on it, just the withdrawal if I dont have it and the cost of maintaining a supply.
I am going to taper very slowly and steadily.
Kratom absolutely taught me NEVER to try any harder opiates or other addictive drugs.
Fortunately I regularly get three days off at a time (once every two weeks) so next time that rolls around I will try my hardest to go three days without kratom. If I could just take that three day break regularly once every two weeks that would probably help a lot.
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not sure what strain to get...
im thinking white or green, but bali is always nice.
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White is for school and physical labor.
Red is for relaxation and anxiety and hanging out.
Green is somewhere in the middle for when you don't want to be too wired, but not too sedated. This is probably a good mid day strain.
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for me...
green is for school and labor
red is for pain and relaxing
and white is in the middle
do you pay any attention to where it says its from? maylay, thai, vietnam...
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Not Responding said: for me...
green is for school and labor
red is for pain and relaxing
and white is in the middle
do you pay any attention to where it says its from? maylay, thai, vietnam...
I genuinely don't give a fuck where it comes from.
If you put a blindfold on me, I could distinguish between a white and green and red. No way I could tell if it is borneo or thai or maeng da.
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Can you guys catch a nod on kratom? With high doses of really quality leaf I can lay down and catch a nice little nod sometimes. Not like real opiates, but a nod nonetheless.
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I prefer white over green but red less than green. A little green with red is nice.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: danielx]
#22149287 - 08/26/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, but only when potentiated. For me to nod with a slight tolerance I'll have to ingest 8 grams of kratom or more, 25 - 50mg's of DPH, and at least a couple bowls of really good bud.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: danielx]
#22149335 - 08/26/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I get a little nod action going when my tolerance is low. I don't do opiates anymore so 7gs of premium leaf will usually get me going.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: danielx]
#22149945 - 08/27/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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danielx said: Can you guys catch a nod on kratom? With high doses of really quality leaf I can lay down and catch a nice little nod sometimes. Not like real opiates, but a nod nonetheless.
yeah, you can def get a kratom nod. i ate a fat dose on the way to school a few months ago and could barely keep my eyes open while driving.
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