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ShroomClimber said: Just picked up 14g of some kratom labled house maeng da, how much should I start with?
If it were my first time I'd do 6 grams for the full experience. Maybe 5.
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5 grams can easily cause pretty severe opiate nausea for someone who has no tolerance and or is susceptible to it...
I would highly recommend starting with at least half of that.
Of course the freshness / potency of the kratom probably matters the most.
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Yeah I don't know I've had some really potent stuff where 1g is plenty and two would make me nauseous, but I imagine I'm probably more sensitive than other people.
I wouldn't recommend 5 grams right off the bat until you know how strong it is. It's unpleasant to take too much.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: drr]
#22113561 - 08/19/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even 2.5 grams will have you on the heavy side of effects, you might not get too ill from it but will probably need to lay down for a bit to offset any nausea you might get.
I would suggest no more than 2 grams for your first time.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Atreyu]
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Maybe 3 or 4 if you know it is weak and or mellow stuff.
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I'd start with 3g, that'll be plenty but not too much if it's good stuff. If you've never taken it before and it's good stuff any more may make you sick.
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Bitter Cactus said: Go to the board index. Can you see any of the forum?
Can only see Forum Announcements, Forum Rules and Introductions. Nothing at all about a vendors section :-(
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: pslyke]
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Bitter Cactus said: Go to the board index. Can you see any of the forum?
Can only see Forum Announcements, Forum Rules and Introductions. Nothing at all about a vendors section :-(
Bro I don't know for me that's just the top of the page. Maybe try posting once in the introductions thing and see if it expands the page.
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Cool, will do! Thanks for the help.
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If it is actually maenga da, that just means it is a bit stronger than your normal kratom. I'd dose 20-30% lower than normal if it is maeng da.
2.5 of maeng is a good dose, 3g gives me full effects. I have taken up to 5g without a tolerance and have had times where I got no nausea, and other times I puked my brains out. I have a strong stomach too.
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Gottaloveacid said: If it is actually maenga da, that just means it is a bit stronger than your normal kratom. I'd dose 20-30% lower than normal if it is maeng da.
2.5 of maeng is a good dose, 3g gives me full effects. I have taken up to 5g without a tolerance and have had times where I got no nausea, and other times I puked my brains out. I have a strong stomach too.
Those dosages are honestly small. My preferred dose was like 4.5 but that's cause I take it everyday. If I wanted a full experience I could easily do like ten grams and be fine.
I gave my buddy like 7g for his firs time for the full experience and he was fine. He pretty much nodded out tho.
Anyways everyone is different and different batches have different potencies. I still think a firs timer won't be impressed with like 2 or 3g.
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Do you and your buddy both use other harder drugs?
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Bitter Cactus said: I could easily do like ten grams and be fine.
I have seen people get violently nauseous to the point they had to lay down for hours off of 5 grams.
Just becouse it takes you up to 10 grams to get a nice buzz doesn't mean you should recommend a first timer to take even half of that necessarily.
Not everyone does kratom to Quote:
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or even to catch a buzz. I have been very impressed from kratom in as low of 1-2 gram doses.
If anything it is even more impressive when you can eat so little and feel so good.
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For real, I don't really feel anything off 2-3g doses even with no tolerance. Anything below 6g is very subtle for me. I didn't really feel anything at all from kratom until I dosed as much as 7g at once, like my 3rd time dosing.
@musiclover, it's unfair to criticize BC for using kratom to "nod out" or to imply that he's a hard drug user just because he prefers higher doses than you do. It just comes off as elitism.
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hex_enduction said: For real, I don't really feel anything off 2-3g doses even with no tolerance. Anything below 6g is very subtle for me. I didn't really feel anything at all from kratom until I dosed as much as 7g at once, like my 3rd time dosing.
@musiclover, it's unfair to criticize BC for using kratom to "nod out" or to imply that he's a hard drug user just because he prefers higher doses than you do. It just comes off as elitism.
Ya seriously even those 4.5 gram doses I took I think are super low for a full high. 1 or 2 grams will make the new kratom user be like wtf this doesn't do anything.
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I was not trying to criticize or imply anything. I was simply wondering as people with hard drug histories generally have more burnt our receptors.
Making them need to dose more and also fall into addiction easier, at least from what I have seen.
As for the nodding out I was just pointing out people take drugs for different reasons. I personally think kratom is better used not as a drug.
But more as a medicinal herb which it is.
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Nah man I just think 2 or 3 grams of leaf is kind of a low ball dose even for a first timer or long time user. I enjoy those low doses sometimes but they are certainly not gonna make me hop up and down in euphoria. For the opiate warmth you need like 5 grams.
Anyways he might like those doses but I guarantee he will be expecting more of an effect. Anyways not gonna recommend doses to newbies they can research it for themselves. But all I am gonna say is that I gave my friend a 7 g dose first time and he had an amazing time. I generally take 4-5 grams when I take it every day but could easily do way more.
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I usually do 7 to 8, I do it pretty much every day two to three times. I can get off on lower doses but it doesn't last as long. Just took a night dose with a Benadryl, highly recommended
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Yea, I use DPH (Benadryl) as a potentiator as well when dosing in the evening. Just one tablet, 25mg's of DPH is enough for me but 50mg's + ~7-8g's of Kratom + good weed gets me that nice nod which I personally really enjoy.
I do take it sometimes in small doses just for its uplifting psychological effects as well as pain relief, but I just as often take larger doses to simply feel nice & high. I don't see anything wrong with that unless it's a constant, daily abuse of it. That goes for any drug really IMO.
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For an opiate newbie 2.5g could be a good first dose. Someone with expectations from past opiate experience may do better with 5g for a first dose.
I dose an even Tablespoon 3x a week for work. That's about 6.25g and below the nausea line for me; but that line is different for everyone.
Especially considering the potential intensity of "Maeng Da"... For an opiate newbs first trial I would recommend three grams at most with that strain.
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All that matters is white vein, green vein, red vein.
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