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Moonshoe said: For the longest time I was convinced krarom was not addicted and had no withdrawals. The reality is it is addictive and does have withdrawals but it takes a very very long time to develop and is not severe even then.
It took me almost two full years of multiple times a day dosing to develop any withdrawals . Now I do get withdrawal if I don't dose , it takes about 24 hours to fully manifest and its moderate , not severe.
I get some depression, running crying eyes, and general unhappiness that lasts a few days.
But part of it is that I have a tendency to depression that Kratom totally cures and without it it comes back.
But make no mistake if you take Kratom long enough and often enough you will get physical withdrawals but it takes a long long time and is never severe.
It's about as addictive as coffee, slightly more addictive then weed.
If you use it 3 times a week or less you will never get withdrawal.
Even after a year of all day every day dosing it was so mild as to be almost unnoticeable . But after two years of all day daily dosing its moderate , physical withdrawal .
Still totally worth it and nothing to be scared of but if you want to avoid it just don't dose every single day.
If you do dose every single say sooner or later you will get withdrawal but it takes a crazy long time to develop and goes away pretty quick and is very manageable.
Sums it up pretty well bravo bravo!
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NDStepp84
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Moonshoe said: it takes about 24 hours to fully manifest and its moderate , not severe.
Yep, it's like you get one free day
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Acaterpillar said: Kratom and coffee are a match made in heaven.
They sure are, natives in Thailand call it "one two call" why I'm not sure but it is the shit. I also like to chase it with red bull.
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Bitter Cactus
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Moonshoe said: For the longest time I was convinced krarom was not addicted and had no withdrawals. The reality is it is addictive and does have withdrawals but it takes a very very long time to develop and is not severe even then.
It took me almost two full years of multiple times a day dosing to develop any withdrawals . Now I do get withdrawal if I don't dose , it takes about 24 hours to fully manifest and its moderate , not severe.
I get some depression, running crying eyes, and general unhappiness that lasts a few days.
But part of it is that I have a tendency to depression that Kratom totally cures and without it it comes back.
But make no mistake if you take Kratom long enough and often enough you will get physical withdrawals but it takes a long long time and is never severe.
It's about as addictive as coffee, slightly more addictive then weed.
If you use it 3 times a week or less you will never get withdrawal.
Even after a year of all day every day dosing it was so mild as to be almost unnoticeable . But after two years of all day daily dosing its moderate , physical withdrawal .
Still totally worth it and nothing to be scared of but if you want to avoid it just don't dose every single day.
If you do dose every single say sooner or later you will get withdrawal but it takes a crazy long time to develop and goes away pretty quick and is very manageable.
Holy shit man can you apologize to me? I told you a million times kratom has a very real withdrawal and you always said that was bullshit.
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There's several users in these threads that will argue they aren't addicted to kratom and are ordering kilos at a time. They are using massive amounts and claiming they have no withdrawals. I'm not going to scour through all these posts but if you kept up to date you'd know the users I'm talking about.
One of the threads was someone asking if they should sub kratom for coffee. I got bashed for saying it was addictive. Which it is. I've had so many bouts with it and it's medically and scientifically proven to be addictive. I just hate people who put out misinformation or lie to themselves. It's kratom who cares if you are addicted to it. No need to lie about it. I'm not directing this to anyone just stating something that's bothered me the past few months about the subject.
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Moonshoe
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Sure I will apologize 
I honestly thought it didn't because even after like a year of all day every day dosing I never got withdrawal. But to be fair, all I ever said was I personally wasn't getting withdrawal, I always admitted that it effected everyone differently and that many people did seem to get withdrawal, its just that at that point I never did.
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Moonshoe
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Also, its funny: weed can be more addictive in that its harder to not smoke weed, but weed does not have physical withdrawals, kratom does. so in one sense, weed is more addictive (psychologically) but physically there is a level of physical dependence to kratom that , although very mild, does not exist with weed.
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NDStepp84
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You can have sleeplessness and irritability with mj withdrawals
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Moonshoe
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I have heard that. I do think that marijuana is overall less physically addictive then kratom.
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Gorlax



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Weed withdraw is a slightly less aggressive appetite and vivid dreams.
I've had some gnarly kratom withdrawals when I used to be a vendor and it wasn't anywhere near that of when I quit weed.
read that wrong "EDITED" - kratom + nyquil best combo
Edited by Gorlax (08/11/15 10:27 PM)
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NDStepp84
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I agree, the physical symptoms of kratom are worse than mj.
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Gorlax



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I remember running out and legit licking spilt powder out of my dirty cheap console I was so desperate. I had the shits as always with opiates. Couldn't get good sleep and had the worst fucking RLS!!!
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Gorlax]
#22079100 - 08/11/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moonshoe, I can get physically addicted to it in a matter of two weeks. At a month you are defs physically hooked to it.
The withdrawals are minor, but to me are actually really challenging. I guess if you have nothing going on it is fine, but when you are at school and doing stuff like writing essays or working they are a big deal in your day.
Overall though, the effects I get right now are basically as good as when I started my order. I try to never do more then twice a day cause it loses it's flavor and never more then ten grams a day.
Trust me on this moon, that IMO multiple small doses hyperfucks your tolerance compared to one or two big doses. I have no idea why but try to spread out each dose as far as possible. A good night sleep is the best way to get a good kratom high. Also, take a nice hot shower in the morning when you dose cause it makes it kick in faster.
Best tip I could give is to dose kratom once you start getting minor withdrawals, that is the best time. Space it as far as you can without getting uncomfortable.
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Edited by Bitter Cactus (08/11/15 10:35 PM)
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Gorlax]
#22079113 - 08/11/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: I remember running out and legit licking spilt powder out of my dirty cheap console I was so desperate. I had the shits as always with opiates. Couldn't get good sleep and had the worst fucking RLS!!!
That is the worst, the first time I ever ordered kratom it was about 2:30 am, tossing and turning the worst RLS going through opiate withdrawals. I remembered hearing my pharmacist buddy talking about how much it helps. I didn't expect it to be as good as what it is, wish I had tried it sooner
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Gorlax



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I've noticed emotional disturbances from kratom withdrawal like sometimes the physical won't be that bad but I'll be very depressed/bored feeling/and I've have actually broken down a few times. That was after plowing thru a lot and drinking to alleviate the pain so that's not a good idea.
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Lucis
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OsculateOfDemise said: I think drinking coffee after I dose makes it kick in faster.
Yes, me too.
Coffee really goes well with krat, love the mixture, especially the energy they both provide when combined.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: I've noticed emotional disturbances from kratom withdrawal like sometimes the physical won't be that bad but I'll be very depressed/bored feeling/
I call that sober
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Lucis]
#22079160 - 08/11/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I get noticeable withdrawals from cannabis.
I've heard this said about heroin but for me it's true with cannabis. You don't REALLY get to enjoy it until you've become addicted to it, that's how it seems in my experience. The first 5-6 times getting high after being off of a break really kicks my ass and can get a little scary. It's not until maybe a little under two weeks of getting high everyday that I start to feel more relaxed while under the influence of it.
I am going to dose some Kratom tonight, it's been 2 months since I last dosed. The stuff is suppose to be pretty good but has a funny name - Red Dragon.
I am thinking of dosing 1.5 grams. I am curious how the effects will be because every batch of kratom I've had has pretty much been different from one another. I want that feel good euphoria with a comfortable relaxation.
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Atreyu]
#22079176 - 08/11/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Red Dragon sounds sketchy.
I always only use vendors that use names like : borneo, malaysian, maeng da, thai, ect.
None of this red dragon elephant foreskin kratom that the kids are into these days.
http://www.kcforums.com/ Join this forum for really good kratom info and vendors. You need to make an account to access this site but it is worth it.
Edited by Bitter Cactus (08/11/15 11:01 PM)
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I waited 3 days before my last dose and holy shit I forgot how much I love Kratom. I'm going to do what bittercactus said a while back and only use the rest of what I have and take a few months off after that. I can definitely see how it can become a problem. Everything's just so fucking good on Kratom
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Moonshoe
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For me the only problem with kratom is running out so I try never to.
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