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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #21950985 - 07/16/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Kratom I am pretty sure was traditional used to tread diarrhea so that seems a bit strange.

It does effect people very differently though and is pretty diverse anyways :shrug:


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: musiclover420]
    #21951048 - 07/16/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So I consumed a good amount of Maeng Da kratom yest AM, and received a surprisingly great affect- an increase in motivation and energy, was upbeat and engaging in social affairs.

Alas by evening I experienced restlessness, jaw clenching and muscle contractions, could not get comfortable.  I tried drinking powdered magnesium with calcium nada, valarien root tincture did nothing, resorted to a muscle relaxer and it was resilient still. 

Can anyone explain why I went through this?


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #21951350 - 07/16/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I typically get those feelings when the effects are the most pronounced, but I actually enjoy the side effects. But once the effects pass, so do the side effects.

How much did you eat? I typically keep my Maeng Da doses under 3g. The stuff I have is strong.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: daytripper05]
    #21951384 - 07/16/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think I might have an ulcer that kratom may have contributed to. I'm going to a GI doc later so I'll hopefully find out what the fuck's wrong with me, but there seems to be a lot of anecdotal info about kratom causing ulcers especially in native Thai users. Of course it could be completely unrelated, but I have my suspicions as I didn't start experiencing any side pain like this until a couple months into daily krat dosing. Painful stuff, hopefully no one here suffers anything similar.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: hex_enduction]
    #21951456 - 07/16/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the most people said they took was 10g
and my shit was tucked away for at least two weeks

taking 5 rows of two pills
would be like taking five rows of five
so I didn't really see any danger in taking a tble spoon of extract
in 8 000gelcaps

that was a hour and a half ago
got bored and high should start my first meal of the day soon


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: hex_enduction]
    #21951728 - 07/16/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think kratom is a awesome thing


But it isn't perfect,
If you are suspectable, and abuse it all day everyday for months on end
Just prepare if you are new to it


Im just trying to spread awareness about this plant
Even though a mild opiate with a unique structure, it has it own sets of risks


Just be safe and know your limits! :heart:


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: musiclover420]
    #21952461 - 07/16/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Man I think its food poisoning, some of the worst I've ever had in my life. This really sucks bad. It must have been something I ate.

Stomach cramps from hell, watery diarrhea, I need some better to too my ass is even in pain from all the wiping, going raw. Tmi I know but I'd thought I'd share.

I took a clove of garlic and am drinking some hemp/chamomile tea. I feel better than I did but what else is good for this?

Btw I had the worst stomach cramps I thought I was dying I though about calling 911 a few times. Horrible times.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #21952466 - 07/16/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SpiritualWarrior said:
Man I think its food poisoning, some of the worst I've ever had in my life. This really sucks bad. It must have been something I ate.

Stomach cramps from hell, watery diarrhea, I need some better to too my ass is even in pain from all the wiping, going raw. Tmi I know but I'd thought I'd share.

I took a clove of garlic and am drinking some hemp/chamomile tea. I feel better than I did but what else is good for this?

Btw I had the worst stomach cramps I thought I was dying I though about calling 911 a few times. Horrible times.

I'm probably going to lay off the kratom for a while regardless if its not what caused this.





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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #21952482 - 07/16/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry to hear that man :sad: I have experienced food poisoning several times and it is hell. Some of the worst stomach pains I have ever had.

Right up their with intense stomach flu's. Throwing up a ton and drinking lots of water usually does the trick for me after awhile.

Ginger tea might help also if you have any, and or smoke alil herb. Hope you feel better relatively soon man :hug:


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #21952497 - 07/16/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I got some pretty decent bloating from kratom.

I haven't bought or used in about a month in a half.
It did come in handy on my vacation though but I've decided it's not something that is in my best interest to take regularly.
I was using off and on for about 2 years, I got into dosing multiple times a day and would often get pretty sick.


My body does feel healthier now that I am not abusing it.  I was using small doses but they were effecting me, I never really went over 10 grams a day unless the kratom was really weak, I was more around 5-7 at the peak of my use.  If I were to use again I would either use it for tea or maybe try making extract, I don't like ingesting all that raw material, even a little bit, no.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #21952503 - 07/16/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

SW, did you get the food poisoning while dosing Kratom?

First of all, my condolences because food poisoning is no joke.
I've had it twice and I think it's comparable to a pretty heavy opiate withdrawal.
I couldn't eat sausages for a year after I had my first really bad case of it...

Anyways, the Krat should be beneficial for the diarrhea but I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing to slow your digestive system down while it's trying to excrete all that shit. Literally and figuratively.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21952575 - 07/16/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tea has helped with nausea in the past.

I take Ginger tea though.  How much did you take and was this your first time?

I got sick my first time though I've been even more sick other times of that stuff.

Rushing out of the library so someone wouldn't have to clean up my vomit isn't fun.

That was my main concern too, not making a mess for someone else, would have been really embarrassing and I just got hit with Deja Vu.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Atreyu]
    #21952889 - 07/16/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just tried kratom today, and wow indeed. I wasn't expecting too much out of it, but i thought it'd be okay every once and a while. So I bought 4 ounces of the stuff from a shroomery vendor.

Well, I took maybe 4 grams. I was gonna take 6, but I felt the effects pretty strongly so I stopped around 2/3rds the way done. Like I feel pretty good, almost like a weed high without being all fuzzy.

I've heard that using kratom can make skin a lot darker, how common is that? And any possible adverse effects? I read over it pretty good, and didn't notice anything too extreme. Just wondering if I overlooked anything.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Atreyu]
    #21953053 - 07/16/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The darkening is rare but seems to happen in some regular users; Hyperpigmentation or increased melanin production.
http://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/23c29d/anyone_here_have_darkening_of_the_cheeks/

The leaves come from outside trees.  Could have bird poop on them, bugs or bacteria...  I like to imagine leaf is cleaned first but I still tend to pour 165F steaming water over the leaf to help kill microorganisms... this is after my freeze thaw cycles to aid assimilation.  Poops, BTW, are great this way w/ freeze/thaw bursting tough leaf.

Making an alcohol-assisted 165F tisane could be a good option at this point as well; and alc can be evapped upon reduction.


A few scattered reports of liver interactions exist.  I take milk thistle extract 20 minutes after dosing to heal/ protect and potentiate/ elongate the experience by several mechanisms.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: flickedbic]
    #21953096 - 07/16/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That is a really good idea cleaning your material like that, I also worry about pesticides being used.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Atreyu]
    #21953116 - 07/16/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know that they are bothered by pests and haven't found any indication that it would be needed but would love to know for sure.

One can always order organic.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: flickedbic]
    #21954163 - 07/16/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have used it for years and no skin darkening, maybe a little bit of a tan look when I am using it around my face but I am pale as shit so I don't mind.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21954452 - 07/17/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SW, did you get the food poisoning while dosing Kratom?

First of all, my condolences because food poisoning is no joke.
I've had it twice and I think it's comparable to a pretty heavy opiate withdrawal.
I couldn't eat sausages for a year after I had my first really bad case of it...

Anyways, the Krat should be beneficial for the diarrhea but I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing to slow your digestive system down while it's trying to excrete all that shit. Literally and figuratively.




Yeah, the poisoning was coming on for a few days but it was right after I ate and then dosed that I started feeling sick. And no vomiting, just bloating and major stomach pains+water shits. I shat a lot out though and feel much better. I have some garlic, hemp tea, and some probiotics for your stomach that I took too.

At first I would shit out what would look like kratom, it would look like powder shit and then I would see specs like powdered leaves, then green water. I got kinda paranoid after than and thought that the kratom was doing it by itself, which is not true tho cause if so more ppl would be complaining of this. Has to be a stomach virus and I don't think the kratom helped either. I'm staying away from it for a little while.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #21954586 - 07/17/15 02:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This kratom I have now is so fucking potent. Man it's been getting me good. The guy I got it from says it's not diluted like other vendors but I think that was just marketing but whatever his source is, it's fucking legit. If you didn't have to eat this powder you'd think it was 15mg hydro. feeling Wavey..


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Tybg]
    #21954811 - 07/17/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

One day I dosed kratom and didn't stop that was two years ago. Trying to quit/take a break right now.
I read it acts as a nmda antagonist and it does leave me feeling out of it sometimes where opiates never do this. Sure I might nod but this feels different. It's not necessarily bad but can be disorientating at times.  Time seems to pass way faster daily/weekly/monthly/yearly time flies when you do this stuff everyday.

Withdraws don't really seem bad compared to caffeine which leaves me with a death wish to end the pain of headache/migraine. It's more just the thought of having to go without my coping mechanism.
I use to have real bad anxiety. I used kratom to treat the acute effects but now with DMT/shrooms I've gotten at some of the underlying causes but now the challenge is to drop off of kratom for at least a month.


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