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OsculateOfDemise



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luvdemboomers said: so I've been taking it for a couple months daily now
got back on it saying I'd just take it on weekends... then only a dose after I get off work, now I'm dosing when I wake up, at lunch, and around 5 or 6. I kinda knew this was gonna happen again and kinda feel guilty about taking it/having the mentality I need it. Though I really don't. Often a dose will wear off and I'll feel normal maybe a little lethargic then I'll be like o fuck I forgot to take my lunctime dose lol. I know for certain with other addictions I've had I never forgot to dose or was to lazy to prep my drugs (making capsules in this case)
Anyone relate?
If you had an addictive personality already then you should have known you were going to have problems with kratom as well. I take it off and on, when I need it for special occasions and have no problem regulating the frequency of when I decide to dose. I think you just need to stop buying it before you dig yourself in to a deeper hole cause it doesn't look good.
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Acaterpillar
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Using anything as a crutch is unhealthy.
Not because of the crutch itself; but the sensations that you are chasing away, and the complex in your psyche that you are feeding.
Luckily Kratom is much easier to kick than any traditional opiate.
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musiclover420
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What makes you think it is the kratom? I would probably have to take a break too as that would be a bit worrisome.
How is your liver? I have heard some stuff about kratom being hard on the liver potentially. I never fully bought it but I could see say an ex alcoholic having issues.
But only due to pre existing liver issues. Since kratom has been used regularly for so long I think people would know if it is hard on the liver.
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It's only a suspicion, I really don't even know if the issue has to do with my liver. I never experienced the symptoms before I started daily krat use a few months ago, and lately I get really nauseous after dosing. I figure I might as well try taking a break to see how I feel.
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Acaterpillar
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I used to never get random boners from kratom, but lately I've been getting some epic ones.
I've just been sitting here for the past ten minutes having fun slapping my thigh with my dick
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I have experienced some nausea after using kratom regularly for longer periods. But I never was sure if it was the kratom as other things effect it.
Smoking a lot will give me morning sickness sometimes where I wake up with my throat feeling like shit and either feel like I am going to throw up or actually do.
Usually though my stomach has excess bile which is the real cause, I think smoking and my diet are the main causes.
Kratom does not seem to help though
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SpiritualWarrior
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Acaterpillar said: I used to never get random boners from kratom, but lately I've been getting some epic ones.
I've just been sitting here for the past ten minutes having fun slapping my thigh with my dick 
I have too I just wish I had some girl to slap it with lmao.
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Acaterpillar
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Yeah I'm seeing if this girl wants to come over so I can slap her across the face with it.
"Say girl, come lemme dick slap you."
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SunnyD
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Kratom isnt all dick in pussys
Ime it can have on certain people real opiate wds that make you feel like utter shit Lately if i dont dose for more than 5hrs
i feel shaky slightly dizzy dysphoric cravings nausea
just general flu like symptoms that honestly suck major chode
I have been dosing daily for months so i brought this on myslef
but it isnt too addictting cause you can easily lower your dosee and get off it Compared to real hard opiates the wds aint nothing
But kratom is a mild opiate and it fan still make you physically dependant
Like any drug use responsibly or atleast try
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luvdemboomers
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SunnyD]
#21930231 - 07/11/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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kratom kills my sex drive for the most part
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SpiritualWarrior
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SunnyD]
#21930648 - 07/11/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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AddyZomeD said: Kratom isnt all dick in pussys
Ime it can have on certain people real opiate wds that make you feel like utter shit Lately if i dont dose for more than 5hrs
i feel shaky slightly dizzy dysphoric cravings nausea
just general flu like symptoms that honestly suck major chode
I have been dosing daily for months so i brought this on myslef
but it isnt too addictting cause you can easily lower your dosee and get off it Compared to real hard opiates the wds aint nothing
But kratom is a mild opiate and it fan still make you physically dependant
Like any drug use responsibly or atleast try 
Well at least you're not going poor from using it. Switch to caffeine or alcohol maybe? I'm only 1 week and a half in to the kratom and I like taking it everyday or every other day. I try to take it every other. Its just so good it makes me feel so positive and good about myself and everything, quitting might be difficult.
I'm just going to use it to work because that's the traditional use of kratom. I did that last night and it definitely helped me perform I think.
Edited by SpiritualWarrior (07/11/15 08:12 PM)
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hex_enduction
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Krat helps a lot with work, but just be wary that it's an easy way to build a dependence to it. It's pretty hard for me to work without krat at this point.
Also this is my 666th post
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Acaterpillar
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It must be genetic, but I've been using kratom for several years and it's never given me withdrawals comparable to opiates.
As long as you keep the dosage lower the rate for addiction will be low.
The alkaloids have a higher affinity for delta-opioid receptors which are not addictive like mu-opioid.
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Yeah krat w/d imo is nothing like (the way I imagine) opiate w/d. More akin to cannabis "w/d": lethargy, depression, cravings for kratom, a little bit more random pain and stuff. Still for whatever reason I have a lot of trouble choosing not to dose kratom if I have it around.
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i have sunburn and am considering it
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kr0nik0
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Kratom is insanely weird when it comes to w/d's.
At the beginning of this year I went through a KG and when I ran out, it was 3 days of a pretty spot-on, traditional opiate w/d. Same feeling but nowhere near the intensity of oxy, h, etc.
Then just over a month ago through last week I went through roughly 700g's and experienced no w/d's whatsoever. A bit of lethargy really, but I just call that being fucking lazy.
Both times the Kratom was from the save vendor with similar strain potencies. The major difference between both times was eating and being healthy. I had just quit drinking during the first batch of krat this year so that most likely played a big role in how I felt once I stopped taking it. 
I'm taking a break from it currently but we'll see what happens when I start indulging again in a few weeks.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
#21934239 - 07/12/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kron, you should try keeping your doses on the lighter side and see if that effects your w/ds. Only time I have ever gotten withdrawals, I was taking 6+ grams every day. Now I take around 2-4 grams a day, spread throughout the day and I notice no withdrawals at all.
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kr0nik0
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Absolutely, but for me to be able to truly enjoy it as something psychoactive I have to ingest around 20-30g's in a 24 hour period. That's half of what I was dosing before so for me it's a pretty drastic step down, and a needed one.
That's my plataeu with Kratom when it comes to its affinity to my mu-opioid receptors. The 50-60g's a day were a complete waste because of this but, live and learn.
I tried 2-3 5g doses daily for about a week with this last order and it just leaves me wanting more unless I'm constantly getting THC in my system as well.
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hex_enduction said: Krat helps a lot with work, but just be wary that it's an easy way to build a dependence to it. It's pretty hard for me to work without krat at this point.
Also this is my 666th post 
Lol at 666 headbang smiley.
But yeah it helps with work and I don't see it becoming addictive with that. I honestly am kinda sick of the stuff lately and don't want to do it cause it just takes too much out of you to do it so much. Its not like i don't like it its just losing its zest for me. I don't like being high all the time its just not me.
You should question yourself if you gotta use the shit or any drug very often for that matter. Like why would you want to get so high all the time and addicted to it, its just not natural.
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I don't really get 'high' from krat per se, (that's what weed is for )
What I do get is pretty consistent pain relief for up to 8 hours, and a overall relaxed feeling, yet still able to get and stay motivated throughout the day. There is a thang with krat, but I'm also able to smoke cannabis throughout the day, as much as I want, so that skews things a bit.
I never feel nausea (except once doing 20 g. in a 4 hour period), no real withdrawal, minimal constipation. When 7g isn't right, I'll go up to 10 or so for a few days, then take a break for a couple days.
And at 10 cents a gram, and > a piece for the caps, my 7g breakfast is less than a dollar. (I rarely dose more than once/day.)
Also, as an alcoholic in recovery, I am comfortable with my existing maintenance program. I know longer think about the drink ( except when I read some of you LOL ers posting in da Pube )
No regrets, but I kinda wish I had heard about kratom sooner. I was 56 the first time I tried it.
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