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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #21907447 - 07/06/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MagicalOrangutan said:
I've been wondering about how good this stuff is as a legal replacement for weed, but the problem is that ALL opiates are pure shit in my experience, morphine, oxycodone, heroin, methadone I think it's spelled, all do NOTHING except make my stomach feel worse than the stomach flu, my skin itch terribly and constantly and make me irritable as hell.

Is kratom as much compete misery, as all other opiates/opioids? Please someone tell me lol



Sounds like opiates aren't for you.

My girlfriend is like this, she can't enjoy them at all, they just make her sick. While I get the greatest euphoria...

She doesn't like Kratom either.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #21907607 - 07/06/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MagicalOrangutan said:
I've been wondering about how good this stuff is as a legal replacement for weed, but the problem is that ALL opiates are pure shit in my experience, morphine, oxycodone, heroin, methadone I think it's spelled, all do NOTHING except make my stomach feel worse than the stomach flu, my skin itch terribly and constantly and make me irritable as hell.

Is kratom as much compete misery, as all other opiates/opioids? Please someone tell me lol




Kratom is more than just an opiate...

So in short, no becouse it is not a traditional opiate at all.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #21907645 - 07/06/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MagicalOrangutan said:
I've been wondering about how good this stuff is as a legal replacement for weed, but the problem is that ALL opiates are pure shit in my experience, morphine, oxycodone, heroin, methadone I think it's spelled, all do NOTHING except make my stomach feel worse than the stomach flu, my skin itch terribly and constantly and make me irritable as hell.

Is kratom as much compete misery, as all other opiates/opioids? Please someone tell me lol



I bet you won't like it. Sounds like you just don't enjoy the act of painkilling, which is honestly a good thing. I'd be amazed if you try it in a sedative sized dose, and don't complain about having a stomach ache. Lot's of people do, maybe you'd enjoy it as a stimulant though. Only one way to find out for sure though.:shrug:


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Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists.

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Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21907885 - 07/06/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm I could try it. I don't know why my nervous system reacts to opiates like that when most people would enjoy their effects. Over the counter Tylenol or acetaminophen are somewhat enjoyable highs IMO, and they even work better for pain than any opiate in my humble experience lol. Nothing will ever take the place of GOOD weed IMO, as far as chillaxing everyday highs


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We all need more love, and mainly less hate
Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye
That makes the heart's eye cry
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #21907999 - 07/07/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Jeez you guys. I just took some bali powder stuff from kraken and it SUCKS. Fuck the powder shit. At leas the bali powder. My head feels light and like its spinning, I'm almost going cross-eyed. This is like a time I took DXM pills its the same effect.

Next time I'm getting leaf cause its waaay better in my opinion. Althogh the white powder I had seemed to do a good job last time. I still don't know for sure tho.


But yeah, fuck powder. I got waaay higher on the leaf. I wrote a letter to kraken bitching about hwhat their stuff did to me and how I want a refund or some free leaf casue that's bullshit.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #21908080 - 07/07/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have never had any issues using powdered leaf from various vendors :shrug:


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #21910246 - 07/07/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SpiritualWarrior said:
Jeez you guys. I just took some bali powder stuff from kraken and it SUCKS. Fuck the powder shit. At leas the bali powder. My head feels light and like its spinning, I'm almost going cross-eyed. This is like a time I took DXM pills its the same effect.

Next time I'm getting leaf cause its waaay better in my opinion. Althogh the white powder I had seemed to do a good job last time. I still don't know for sure tho.


But yeah, fuck powder. I got waaay higher on the leaf. I wrote a letter to kraken bitching about hwhat their stuff did to me and how I want a refund or some free leaf casue that's bullshit.




Dude the cross eyed thing only happens when you dose way too much. I know that feeling when you take too much. You get dizzy and feel sort of sick and just not good and your eyes can never focus on anything they kind of waver and it makes you feel dyslexic.

That means you have good shit most likely you just took way too much. I take two 4 gram doses a day and have used this plant for years. The young bucks that start out at high doses just make me shake my head.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21910262 - 07/07/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I did that on some red vein bali when I got my first large batch of it a year back.
I had dosed too heavy a few times before; so I knew why it made me feel shitty.
I really like being able to feel 2 grams so much.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #21910276 - 07/07/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:

I love the 1-3 gram range, that is basically where I reside now and there is no reason for me to leave my comfortable lil zone :lol:

Though I also stopped weighing up my doses for the toss n wash, I just dump it straight out of the bag and know I generally just get around 1-2 grams :shrug:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



Edited by musiclover420 (07/07/15 03:45 PM)


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21912064 - 07/07/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Quote:

SpiritualWarrior said:
Jeez you guys. I just took some bali powder stuff from kraken and it SUCKS. Fuck the powder shit. At leas the bali powder. My head feels light and like its spinning, I'm almost going cross-eyed. This is like a time I took DXM pills its the same effect.

Next time I'm getting leaf cause its waaay better in my opinion. Althogh the white powder I had seemed to do a good job last time. I still don't know for sure tho.


But yeah, fuck powder. I got waaay higher on the leaf. I wrote a letter to kraken bitching about hwhat their stuff did to me and how I want a refund or some free leaf casue that's bullshit.




Dude the cross eyed thing only happens when you dose way too much. I know that feeling when you take too much. You get dizzy and feel sort of sick and just not good and your eyes can never focus on anything they kind of waver and it makes you feel dyslexic.

That means you have good shit most likely you just took way too much. I take two 4 gram doses a day and have used this plant for years. The young bucks that start out at high doses just make me shake my head.




But I only took about 3 teaspoons. My body is just not reacting well to the bali, or even the red or the green. I took some of the white vein powder just now and the effects are so much better.

Either my body doesn't like it, or I got a bad batch.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21912231 - 07/07/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hey ive taken kratom twice and never felt anything. it wasnt from an online vendor but from a headshop down the road. it came in capsules both times and both times i took the whole box and still got no effect. i usually take 80mg of hyrdocodone or 40 mg of oxy so maybe its my existing opiate tollerance?

what im wondering is what an equivilant dose would be to an 80mg dose of hydrocodone


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: trvptamine]
    #21916953 - 07/08/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Kratom is not like a traditional opiate. It works on opiate receptors, but is more akin to some mellow coffee; with a hint of psychedelia and noticeable sedation in higher amounts.

Also we don't give dosage advice here.
Kratom potency can vary a lot by batch.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #21916961 - 07/08/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Acaterpillar said:
Kratom is not like a traditional opiate. It works on opiate receptors, but is more akin to some mellow coffee; with a hint of psychedelia and noticeable sedation in higher amounts.

Also we don't give dosage advice here.
Kratom potency can vary a lot by batch.



i see. thankyou sir!


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: trvptamine]
    #21916964 - 07/08/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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trvptamine said:
hey ive taken kratom twice and never felt anything. it wasnt from an online vendor but from a headshop down the road. it came in capsules both times and both times i took the whole box and still got no effect. i usually take 80mg of hyrdocodone or 40 mg of oxy so maybe its my existing opiate tollerance?

what im wondering is what an equivilant dose would be to an 80mg dose of hydrocodone



Uhh that's a lot of opiates man. Don't think you're going to find what you want in Kratom.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21916985 - 07/08/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
Uhh that's a lot of opiates man. Don't think you're going to find what you want in Kratom.





Agreed. With such heavy doses of opiates, no amount of kratom is going to give you that same kind of satisfaction.

Save your kratom to tough out your withdrawals.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #21918080 - 07/09/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would have to disagree with you on that. I took some green malaysian powder and it feels like I'm on ecstacy or something. The effects are PROFOUND.

I've never done opiates to get super high but this stuff is heavy duty it depends on the potency and the strain.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SpiritualWarrior] * 1
    #21918091 - 07/09/15 05:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry man but in no way will Kratom ever compare to MDMA and I find it very very unlikely that it would match the effects of 40mg of oxy. Out of the 40+ different strains I've tried I haven't found one that's that powerful


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21919420 - 07/09/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Think I may give kratom another try today... May try 4-5 grams but don't want to get sick. I HATE feeling sick from drugs. 3.5 grams of my batch is very subtle, possibly a placebo. I've had this stuff laying around for over a month now but it just tastes so damn horrible! & gel caps don't work as good. I can't believe how big this thread has gotten now.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21920111 - 07/09/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sorry man but in no way will Kratom ever compare to MDMA *for me*




Fixed that.

People have vastly different body chemistry. As a conseuence things can effect people vastly differently.

I have had pretty MDMA like effects from kratom too which can get pretty intense, even overwhelming on higher doses.


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: musiclover420]
    #21920414 - 07/09/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What part of the kratom high that you experienced is similar to MDMA? Overwhelming love/empathy type feelings I'm guessing, or just an overall similar vibe? Just curious, I've never tried MDMA, but kratom's effects for me are very different from what I've heard about molly.

I love your sig btw, Space Dandy is a great show.


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Connoisseur said:
oh ive cried on drugs

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Tragic.  I told the cop not to do it but he didn't listen.


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