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Konyap

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kratom reminds me alot of booze but booze washes my whole screen kratom just makes me see everything as if it's on a plane
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musiclover420
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Konyap]
#21844066 - 06/22/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I could see how it could remind someone of booze, sometimes it straight reminds me of E though. It reminds me of a lot of things
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moonrockmushy
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It reminds me of a cheap high followed by moderate food poisoning.
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Rebelutionsssss
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It reminds me of that time I ate a bunch of MDMA and fucked a mildly attractive fat chick
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Imperfect Iam
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I know it helps me from opiate w/d for sure, plus makes me speed
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kr0nik0
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Kratom observation #2974
Very dark and scary CEV's (not really visuals, but very vivid thoughts with clear images) when 15g's is dosed along with 75mg's of DPH and 50mg's of Atenolol.
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DrMambo
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You know, I keep hearing the mdma comparison, and I must say that I concur.
When my tolerance is down, and I take a nice dose of a kratom with good levels of mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, I'll get lots of tangible rushes of euphoria. Just straight good feels in waves up and down my body.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: DrMambo]
#21844375 - 06/23/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Agreed. This green vein maeng da is more euphoric than almost any other strain I've had. Very stimulating as well, even in moderately high doses.
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Bitter Cactus
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Sometimes I feel I get better effects from kratom then legit opiates.
Do any regular users here feel the effects nearly instantly after they toss and wash or dose it in yogurt? I can feel my body warm up within literally a minute after I eat it. But ya man kratom is dope I just wish the high was longer.
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kr0nik0
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: DrMambo]
#21844384 - 06/23/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't wait to try isolated 7-hydroxymitragynine. I wonder if the guy I was speaking with yesterday will even be able to get a hold of any for me but I would really like to feel its pure effects for research purposes, not so much for recreation.
By the research I've been doing on kratom over the past 2 years, 7-hydroxymitragynine seem to be the active alkaloid which has the strongest affinity to mu-opioid receptors.
If that's the case, the jittery (almost coffee like) feeling may not even present itself, and be left with a more traditional opiate effect.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
#21844388 - 06/23/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aight, as soon as I get my new debit card I am ordering some Kratom.
This thread has convinced me.
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
#21844390 - 06/23/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah bro I read also that kratom has nmda antagonists in it that keep your tolerance low. When you mess with extracts and isolating compounds it sky rockets the tolerance. I could be wrong tho. Also it is the entire group of alkaloids that makes kratom if you want a pure opiate high take some oxy.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
#21844391 - 06/23/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a friend who thinks himself a chemist. He was able to get some sort of whitish crystalline substance out of kratom, and he purports to snort it.
He's been kow to exagerate and be a dingus, though, so I've not been too tempted to follow up on him with it.
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kr0nik0
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Quote:
Bitter Cactus said: Nah bro I read also that kratom has nmda antagonists in it that keep your tolerance low. When you mess with extracts and isolating compounds it sky rockets the tolerance. I could be wrong tho. Also it is the entire group of alkaloids that makes kratom if you want a pure opiate high take some oxy.
I'm just interested in the science behind it and don't mind being somewhat a guinea pig. Not really trying to get higher from it because as you pointed out, I could just get oxycodone, heroin, etc if those were my intentions.
You're absolutley correct about the NMDA antagonists, though. Pretty sure that's what causes kratom in its pure form to have a plateau effect thus not being able to take more to get feel a stronger opiate like effect. Now, if 7-hydroxymitragynine is possibly similar when isolated to i.e. oxycodone, it's very interesting because it would be a fraction of the price of any traditional opiate.
Just some thoughts and wild assumptions coming from my mind lol. Nothing to take too seriously. I'm off to sleep.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
#21844412 - 06/23/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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kr0nik0 said: Kratom observation #2974
Very dark and scary CEV's (not really visuals, but very vivid thoughts with clear images) when 15g's is dosed along with 75mg's of DPH and 50mg's of Atenolol.
25 mgs. of the DPH got rid of the jitters, but I am still speeding, I will probably take the other 2 and just crash out, maybe, LOL the temptation of redosing is high
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Konyap

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I almost don't want to finish my extract
it looks like green sugar
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Rebelutionsssss
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: TNK]
#21844507 - 06/23/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said: Aight, as soon as I get my new debit card I am ordering some Kratom.
This thread has convinced me.
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Imperfect Iam
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Konyap]
#21844554 - 06/23/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah man, it looks and taste nasty, but you would be surprised at how can become to even like the taste some after you get to know the feeling
I gotta say, this shit also keeps me from wanting to drink at all, which alcohol has been a huge problem in my past
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Bitter Cactus
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It just tastes like bitter dry tea. Pretty sure everyone can get past the taste, the dry texture of it though I can never get past.
Gonna prepare my morning dose, still waiting to take a shit before that happens though. Gonna take five grams of green borneo and go about my day.
Edit: This green borneo took a long time to kick in but usually lasts longer.
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Edited by Bitter Cactus (06/23/15 11:18 AM)
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DrMambo
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The tea/reduction I was making turned out to actually be stronger in its slightly more dilute form. While I know that mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine are fairly stable alkaloids, I'm wondering if some of it still didn't denature a bit, or if I denatured some of the other more full spectrum alkaloids.
New experiment: 1/4 teaspoon of pure citric acid, 2 teaspoons (approximately five grams) of maeng da, and a teaspoon of honey mixed into a two-ounce five hour energy bottle. Let the acids work on it overnight and try it out tomorrow evening (drinking the whole mixture, unstrained).
I think I like liquid preparations more, as they kick in faster for me. Perhaps they also get more out of the plant matter than a strict toss and wash. Treating the leaf matter with an acidic solution may make the alkaloids more bioavailable in general.
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