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OfflineBitter Cactus
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: space walk]
    #21834494 - 06/20/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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space walk said:
Pod tea sounds like a neat tea to try.

I'll look in to it.

In other news, I just decided that "toss and wash" is a terrible method when compared to mixing it in yogurt, eating that quickly, then chasing with some chocolate milk (and a couple of sour patch kids).
This will be my new method. I"m feeling pretty chill atm.
I'm going to go watch Idiocracy.




I'm curious how many seconds it takes for someone to toss and wash a five gram dose. It takes me a minute or two to toss and wash five grams, but with yogurt I can eat the bowl with five grams in it in under ten seconds. Then there are no disgusting kratom burps or kratom stuck in my throat and the powder hits your stomache softer with a cushion of protection from the yogurt. Toss and wash is just hard on my stomach in comparison.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21834521 - 06/20/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I envy Kratom works for you BC. But I am 90% sure it's just my crappy vendor.
My first pod relapse in 2012, I used daily for several months, I then got a hold of Kratom and it worked that time and I eventually went cold turkey with Kratom but it was a period where I was mentally ill, so the withdrawals were probably as noticeable.

It's highly likely I'll try Kratom from another vendor, I have the money now to try. Let's hope it provides a replacement for pods!


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21834530 - 06/20/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well since I didn't know what I was doing, I just tossed 3.5 g. It took about half a coke to wash all of that down into my stomach. The coke just didn't grab on to the leaf, but I got it down in all of 10 seconds total.

5 grams would have taken about 20 seconds, but the aftertaste and the mouthfeel that causes slight gagging are negligent at best with the yogurt.

Yogurt's the clear winner.
And I've never been much for taking 10 pills if I didn't have to, but I could easily see myself switching to that if I took this stuff daily.

On a side note, It's weird how tired and alert I feel at the same time. I'm enjoying it, for sure, but it's just notably odd.
:takingnotes:


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: space walk]
    #21834590 - 06/20/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Well since I didn't know what I was doing, I just tossed 3.5 g. It took about half a coke to wash all of that down into my stomach. The coke just didn't grab on to the leaf, but I got it down in all of 10 seconds total.

5 grams would have taken about 20 seconds, but the aftertaste and the mouthfeel that causes slight gagging are negligent at best with the yogurt.

Yogurt's the clear winner.
And I've never been much for taking 10 pills if I didn't have to, but I could easily see myself switching to that if I took this stuff daily.

On a side note, It's weird how tired and alert I feel at the same time. I'm enjoying it, for sure, but it's just notably odd.
:takingnotes:




It truly is nature's mini speed ball.

In my opinion, at most doses kratom, no matter what strain is mostly for me an energetic drug. I makes me want to listen to music in my car and sing along with the songs, it makes me wanna game for hours and talk with people. Even an eight gram dose of a red vein strain to me is still energy but with a warm opiate relaxation, but always has an overall energetic feel to it. Like I can easily say I get way more done on kratom then without it.

It is not sedating at all like weed, it does not make you apathetic like weed. Sure, you can spend your time on kratom watching movies and that is great too, but often times it is wise to use that time for productivity. That is why I have whites for my upcoming semester.

My morning 27mg of concerta and a 5gram dose of kratom gets me in a mini tweak. I get inspired lol.



But hell ya bro, I don't understand why anyone would toss and wash instead of mix it into yogurt. Even in toss and wash goes smoothly the process is still a pain in the ass and the after taste and burps suck.

I may consider caps for school though and to sort of delay the effect or for when I am on the go. Still hestitant though.




Edit: Just wanted to add that I consider it a better nootropic then all the racetam drugs. The likes of piracetam and noopept.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: space walk]
    #21834776 - 06/21/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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space walk said:


On a side note, It's weird how tired and alert I feel at the same time. I'm enjoying it, for sure, but it's just notably odd.
:takingnotes:




Try taking some indo white vein, it's rather stimulating IMO.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: daz01]
    #21834804 - 06/21/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I envy Kratom works for you BC. But I am 90% sure it's just my crappy vendor.
My first pod relapse in 2012, I used daily for several months, I then got a hold of Kratom and it worked that time and I eventually went cold turkey with Kratom but it was a period where I was mentally ill, so the withdrawals were probably as noticeable.

It's highly likely I'll try Kratom from another vendor, I have the money now to try. Let's hope it provides a replacement for pods!




Idunno Kratom doesn't usually work for people hooked on stronger opiates.  That is kind of common knowledge.  It might help a bit, but will always feel lacking until you adjust.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21835251 - 06/21/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'll have try yogurt sometime.

Plain or flavored?


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #21835401 - 06/21/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'll have try yogurt sometime.

Plain or flavored?




Flavored with blueberry, because blueberries have a deeper flavor than strawberries so they mask it better.
I eat it like you take a shot. You'll get what I mean.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #21835549 - 06/21/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Cannabis certainly doesn't help with school. :sadyes:




  I used weed to my advantage in high school for math tests exclusively. What I had found was every time I got stoned I would remember everything that happened the last time I got stoned. Like photographic type memory. So the night before the test I would get stoned and study my ass off, and this was the last thing I did before going to sleep. The next day right before that math class I would get stoned, and everything would come back to me picture perfect. Even better than If I had studied sober and taken the test immediately after sober.

I did this for all my math tests that dealt with formulas, and when I had math first hour it was pretty much a guarantee that I was going to score a 100%. I guess when used in in moderation weed can help in some ways.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Konyap]
    #21835782 - 06/21/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
If they ban kratom I'll probably just chop off my nuts.



qft

Also, to whoever said krat doesn't work for hard opiate users, I've heard many stories of IV heroin addicts using kratom to alleviate their withdrawals. It's true that they probably are getting less out of the stuff than the opiate naive, but it could possibly help someone get off a pod tea habit.


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Connoisseur said:
oh ive cried on drugs

sunshine said:
Tragic.  I told the cop not to do it but he didn't listen.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: hex_enduction]
    #21836113 - 06/21/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Also, to whoever said krat doesn't work for hard opiate users, I've heard many stories of IV heroin addicts using kratom to alleviate their withdrawals. It's true that they probably are getting less out of the stuff than the opiate naive, but it could possibly help someone get off a pod tea habit.





It helped a little bit with my WD's, but I was still insane from lack of heroin in my system, like totally out of my fucking mind.

Heroin WD's used to make me crazy as fuck, all kratom did was make it so I could lay on the bed in a crumpled pile without some of the aches and pains I was having.

There comes a point, at least for me, that nothing really helped for the WD's accept methadone or subs, obviously.  Once I had been clean for a couple weeks kratom had better effects on my WD's.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Lucis]
    #21836340 - 06/21/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah it might make you slightly less sick, but if you overdo even just a bit you're in for compound sickness, so it is kind of a toss up and not reliable like subs/done. 

It is possible for someone to use kratom to get off heroin, it's just not likely.  Sometimes people who use heroin aren't that hooked, and sometimes people who use supposedly weaker opiates such as plain old morphine or oxycodone can be as severely addicted as you can get.

I figure it is a hard as hell thing to do, the statistics are that you will fuck up sooner or later, especially if you don't change your lifesyle, and don't have a support system.  Just doing one thing like switching to kratom will not help someone get clean in the vast majority of cases.  Sure you hear lots of people saying "Oh I got clean using kratom/mushrooms/whatever", but you also hear that opiate addiction always has an extremely high relapse rate, so you've got to take all that with a grain of salt.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21836409 - 06/21/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I figure it is a hard as hell thing to do, the statistics are that you will fuck up sooner or later, especially if you don't change your lifesyle, and don't have a support system.





Yes, I had to change my lifestyle, running and cycling are a huge part of my recover.  I was an IV heroin user for a decade, have been clean now for over two years, I feel so blessed.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Lucis]
    #21836774 - 06/21/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes, I had to change my lifestyle, running and cycling are a huge part of my recover.  I was an IV heroin user for a decade, have been clean now for over two years, I feel so blessed.




Right on! :manofapproval:


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21836997 - 06/21/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Acaterpillar said:
Cannabis certainly doesn't help with school. :sadyes:




  I used weed to my advantage in high school for math tests exclusively. What I had found was every time I got stoned I would remember everything that happened the last time I got stoned. Like photographic type memory. So the night before the test I would get stoned and study my ass off, and this was the last thing I did before going to sleep. The next day right before that math class I would get stoned, and everything would come back to me picture perfect. Even better than If I had studied sober and taken the test immediately after sober.

I did this for all my math tests that dealt with formulas, and when I had math first hour it was pretty much a guarantee that I was going to score a 100%. I guess when used in in moderation weed can help in some ways.




This is true and it works like a charm.
I forget what they called it in rehab/etc but specifically for weed, if something is learned on weed it sometimes can only be remembered on weed.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: TNK]
    #21837017 - 06/21/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

State-dependent memory recall. Happens to me every time with nitrous, and salvia.
I also notice having some state-dependent memory with benzos which is kind of odd; but I was addicted to them for a little while so that probably has an effect on it.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #21837577 - 06/21/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

State-dependent memory recall?
The first thing that comes to mind is when you're trying to get off a drug and all you can think about are all of the reasons you want to do it. Then, when you finally give in and have one hit, you suddenly remember all of the reasons you were trying to stop doing it in the first place.

Every damn time! Especially with fake weed. lol

On a side-note, I'm loving this red kratom right now.
Tried it for the first time last night w 12 grams.
I still feel it strong.
It's definitely a movie and forums kind of day.
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: space walk]
    #21839705 - 06/21/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think I am going to lower my morning dose to four grams, then take four grams in the evening.

I am gonna stay at eight grams for as long as possible but I think splitting my two daily doses 50/50 is best. God damn this Bali is great took my three gram night dose and just feel so nice wuuuu.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21839834 - 06/21/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Man, I knew I shouldn't of ordered so much.
I definitely ate at least 50g's today... now I feel shitty and shaky.

Tomorrow I'm just going to dose 5g's at breakfast, lunch, and dinner as was originally planned.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21839855 - 06/21/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

too much guacamole


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