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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21822289 - 06/18/15 04:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

First 24 hours with 0% kratom.
Feeling okay, supping with GABA, MJ, and Valerian.
Also, microdoses of Phenibut (as it makes me twitch).


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21822307 - 06/18/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

First 24 hours ever? :lol:


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21822315 - 06/18/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, last time I went cold turkey from a massive clonazepam, kratom, alcohol, and phenibut binge of 4 months and went 3 days on 3 hours sleep, which isnt shit to most of you meff heads out there :lol: but scared the shit out of me. Felt like shit, was having massive 'brain zaps' and twitching and etc. before realizing it wasn't the alcohol, which I was tapering, and have had muy experience WD'ing from...but the kratom, clonazepam, etc.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21822317 - 06/18/15 04:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:seriousthumbsup:


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21822330 - 06/18/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Alcohol very possibly played a role in that if you were drinking consistently with the other stuff.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: musiclover420]
    #21822338 - 06/18/15 04:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, but I was looking out for that, and was blindsided when I just went cold turkey with alll the other stuff. I have extensive experience with DTs, and was prepared for that with a taper-plateau-taper schedule...took me a few days of losing-my-mind insanity to understand it was the 'harmless' kratom, phenibut ... and just going from 60 - 0 in a day ... that had me fucked up. I was like, 'this shouldnt be happening, I'm keeping the schedule, by the hour!'


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21822341 - 06/18/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We'll see what the next 48 hours brings, feeling kinda shaky right now, may be the coffee though...


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: musiclover420]
    #21822342 - 06/18/15 05:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Does someone with an insane natural opiate tolerance get anything from it? Are we talking like 4 Vicodin level effect or even less here? I've been curious about it for awhile, but I have a huge tolerance to all drugs in general (not a good thing, I actually despise it). Opiates however are on an entirely different playing field for me. I've had levels of morphine that put most people into a complete drug induced haze not even effect me in the slightest. This is what has stopped me from ever trying it.

Anyone have any relevant input to this? I am curious and do kinda wanna try it.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21822344 - 06/18/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Might just be a good addition for you. Like in combo with something else.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21822352 - 06/18/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Does someone with an insane natural opiate tolerance get anything from it? Are we talking like 4 Vicodin level effect or even less here? I've been curious about it for awhile, but I have a huge tolerance to all drugs in general (not a good thing, I actually despise it). Opiates however are on an entirely different playing field for me. I've had levels of morphine that put most people into a complete drug induced haze not even effect me in the slightest. This is what has stopped me from ever trying it.

Anyone have any relevant input to this? I am curious and do kinda wanna try it.





I never really liked opiates that much. I don't get much out of them euphoria wise. Since kratom is stimulating I get more euphoria than I do from 20mg hydro. Don't get that warmth though


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21822353 - 06/18/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Does someone with an insane natural opiate tolerance get anything from it? Are we talking like 4 Vicodin level effect or even less here? I've been curious about it for awhile, but I have a huge tolerance to all drugs in general (not a good thing, I actually despise it). Opiates however are on an entirely different playing field for me. I've had levels of morphine that put most people into a complete drug induced haze not even effect me in the slightest. This is what has stopped me from ever trying it.

Anyone have any relevant input to this? I am curious and do kinda wanna try it.




I too have a high tolerance to opiates, low to stims though.  Anyway, I say try it.  I don't know what 4 vicodin level is, I think vics are garbage so don't mess with them, never got me high enough to bother with. 

Kratom has consistently gotten me to where I wanna be though, 7grms ma daeng had me high as a kite, I mean even itching my face like a mofo like I did a fat shot.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21822355 - 06/18/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A good dose of Kratom is like eating 20mg of hydrocodone for me


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21822356 - 06/18/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

One thing to keep in mind is kratom is very diverse, so if you have a big opiate tolerance try out green and white veins.

You could still get the stimulant and mood enhancing effects.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: musiclover420]
    #21822358 - 06/18/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i read white vein was stimulating, red vein was more opiate like, personally I like bali, ma daeng, and indo white vein.

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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Lucis]
    #21822369 - 06/18/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have come to prefer blends myself, I end up with very well rounded effects and it takes even less than normal for me.

White vein can be kind of in between, it is generally more mild and can go either way. I have had similiar experiences with the green vein.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21822375 - 06/18/15 05:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have nothing to add it to. Other than alcohol. I have to stay clean for impending drug (hair) tests. I am a thoroughbred when it comes to polydrug use, but I unfortunately can't combine it with much these days.

I'd hate to waste money and buy something that isn't going to do anything for me though. unsurprisingly I've witnessed everyone declare how great this shit is, but at the same time I've seen people talk about how it's not as strong as even the more milder drugs on the market. That kinda makes me think I'd get nothing from it.

As for stimulation.. I'm not a fan of stims. I'm really only into downers. My existence is basically a natural stim high (have always had a theory that is why I have the drug tolerance I do).
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A good dose of Kratom is like eating 20mg of hydrocodone for me



:sad: 20mg won't do really anything for me. I need at least 4 to get any semblance of a high off of it.

I've seen it compared a lot to opiates, and I do like opiates when I can actaully get something from them. So that's why I'd be interested in trying it. If the only hope I had with a natural tolerance is getting the stim effect, it's not really worth it to me.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21822379 - 06/18/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:shrug: Kratom works for most people. I never got into opiates heavily so when I do eat them it doesn't take much. It's not going to make you nod out if that's what you're hoping for but it will take away anxiety and just give you an all around sense of well being. I absolutely love the stuff


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21822385 - 06/18/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't quite want nodding out, but "sense of well being" doesn't sound like what I'm chasing. I guess you could say I'm after the physical effects of doping. The groggy, calmed sleepy feeling. I don't want to just be sitting there falling asleep uncontrollably.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21822387 - 06/18/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've only ever nodded properly on Kratom when I mixed it with dank weed and Gabapentin, etc. In a combo. Then, I was nodding / passing out uncontrollably.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21822388 - 06/18/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's strong just not on the level of eating a bunch of opiates


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