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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21818556 - 06/17/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Better than my old stuff that's for sure.

I will be getting a cigar later today.


I am lowering my morning dose from 7 grams (what I did before) to 5 and taking one little 1 gram booster or whatever in the evening.


This kratom is so dope I am gonna play some league of legends and be happy.



Honestly the low doses work better for me then the high doses and feel way cleaner. I took 300mg of magnesium citrate before my dose to keep my tolerance low.


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Edited by Bitter Cactus (06/17/15 10:50 AM)


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21818843 - 06/17/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Wow good updates on my shipping.

The date moved back two days and it arrived in Edmonton which is the city right beside me so my package will be here today or tomorrow.


Holy shit yes.




omg are you actually going to update on your shipping information daily?  I'm gonna sit outside your house and intercept that package, jizz all over and in it, then put it on your doorstep.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21818864 - 06/17/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Jizz should do quite well masking the taste of Kratom.

You wanna do the same for me? My shipment is scheduled to be delivered Thursday around noon.

I'd be honored. :smirk:


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mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”



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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21818884 - 06/17/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Get in line, he's got to baptize my package next.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0] * 1
    #21819034 - 06/17/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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kr0nik0 said:
Jizz should do quite well masking the taste of Kratom.

You wanna do the same for me? My shipment is scheduled to be delivered Thursday around noon.

I'd be honored. :smirk:




Don't worry I am like the santa clause of jizz I fly around on a mushroom cap drawn by raccoons and jizz in everyone's packages already this very night yearly, I just thought I would let BC know.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21819353 - 06/17/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Better than my old stuff that's for sure.

I will be getting a cigar later today.


I am lowering my morning dose from 7 grams (what I did before) to 5 and taking one little 1 gram booster or whatever in the evening.


This kratom is so dope I am gonna play some league of legends and be happy.





The White Borneo that I ordered from the same place is meh... not good, not horrible. I was hoping for better given the solid recommendations this place gets. Glad I got some other stains including White Bali and Red Borneo (which I have yet to try). I'll report back. In the mean time--enjoy your Green Borneo.


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:kratom:


Edited by pslyke (06/17/15 02:52 PM)


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: pslyke]
    #21819430 - 06/17/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'll try the white borneo from them too mate.

You might just not like whites.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Tybg]
    #21819472 - 06/17/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All around top strain is by far meng da green. its got a very high painkiller feeling to it and at the same time is somewhat stimulating, not so much that its like a speed ball though. and some other kratoms give me a hard crash but this one is always just slow and comfortable


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: pslyke]
    #21819486 - 06/17/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure what vendor you're using, but my vendor's Sumatra White vein is the best white variety I've had.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21819650 - 06/17/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bitter, what do you recommend. I hit you PM, but no response.

Are all Kratom types of the same name the same?
I've no tits different prices from different vendors selling the same types of kratom.

Since borneo/bali is so common and trusted, is that a good chill-out kratom for a first timer?


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: space walk]
    #21819732 - 06/17/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There bro I pm'd you.

I am still feeling the green been a good day so far.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: space walk]
    #21819754 - 06/17/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bitter, what do you recommend. I hit you PM, but no response.

Are all Kratom types of the same name the same?
I've no tits different prices from different vendors selling the same types of kratom.

Since borneo/bali is so common and trusted, is that a good chill-out kratom for a first timer?




But ya, just to relay what I pm'd you to the thread, overall just go by strain color. If someone gave me a white, green, or red veined kratom blindfolded and then asked me which I had taken I could easily tell you. If someone gave me a borneo red and a bali and asked me which is which I would have no idea.


I have never messed with extracts. I hear they either shoot up your tolerance or suck major balls and are expensive. Stick with the leaf and just try out different stuff it all depends whether you like energy or relaxation and get a white if you like the energy, a red if you want to chill out and a green for the best of both worlds.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21819813 - 06/17/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've tried the "enhanced" Kratom strains a couple times. They are not worth the money as they usually are around 2-3 times more expensive but only slightly more potent.

My vendor sends me Mitragynine concentration info sheets upon request so I'll give you an example.
The horned red vein I got had 19mg's of Mitragynine per gram. Their enhanced red kratom which was 3 times the price had 10mg's per gram added, so 29mg's total.

Just makes no sense to purchase it from a financial standpoint.
Another thing to keep in mind is that although Mitragynine is the primary alkaloid in Kratom that causes the good feels, there are 39 other known alkaloids that are metabolized in our body when ingesting Kratom that we yet don't fully understand their effects.

I wonder if anyone here that has a good knowledge of chemistry could explain to me how to isolate Mitragynine. I would like to ingest it in its pure form to see what that feels like.


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the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”



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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21819946 - 06/17/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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kr0nik0 said:
I've tried the "enhanced" Kratom strains a couple times. They are not worth the money as they usually are around 2-3 times more expensive but only slightly more potent.

My vendor sends me Mitragynine concentration info sheets upon request so I'll give you an example.
The horned red vein I got had 19mg's of Mitragynine per gram. Their enhanced red kratom which was 3 times the price had 10mg's per gram added, so 29mg's total.

Just makes no sense to purchase it from a financial standpoint.
Another thing to keep in mind is that although Mitragynine is the primary alkaloid in Kratom that causes the good feels, there are 39 other known alkaloids that are metabolized in our body when ingesting Kratom that we yet don't fully understand their effects.

I wonder if anyone here that has a good knowledge of chemistry could explain to me how to isolate Mitragynine. I would like to ingest it in its pure form to see what that feels like.




Honestly I will never try an extract because I don't take kratom to get high. I never try to push the limits with kratom.

My goal is to keep the doses and the effects subtle. Do people use extracts to get higher? I don't see the need for my kind of use. Maybe if you are doing it one time and wanna nod really hard you can try an extract.

I just have no experience with them and am simply not  interested in extracts.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21820067 - 06/17/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not sure if people use extracts or enhanced powders  to get higher but I guess that's the premise of it.
The only people I know that use Kratom and that I talk to about it regularly are here on the Shroomery.

The couple times I tried it the feeling I got was a bit different than pure, powdered leaf and not in a good way. Just a funky feeling for lack of a better word.
I think the combination of all the alkaloids in the plant is what makes it enjoyable.


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the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”



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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21820098 - 06/17/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have a friend that works for a company which sells extracts to rehab centers.
I tried some of the extract, and it isn't as enjoyable or euphoric as whole leaf.

I prefer whole leaf for the added antioxidants and fiber.
I tried a full spectrum extract and still didn't get what I hoped.

Anyone else notice their skin darkening after using kratom for an extended period of time?
Some say it could up melanin production, but I suspect it could be direct pigmentation occurring.
Makes my skin more olive.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #21820131 - 06/17/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Absolutely. You described my experience perfectly with extracts vs powdered whole leaf with no additives.

I've read quite a bit online about the issue with skin color but have never experienced it myself.
The longest period of time I've used Kratom for is 3 weeks straight.
I think you'd need to dose for longer than that to start seeing differences in skin tone/color.


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the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”



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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21820202 - 06/17/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would just like to chime in as I have a bit of experience with extracts.

They definitely can be pretty over priced, and not worth it.

However I have had some positive experiences. When I first was getting into kratom I had a minor surgery planned and made a medium order to use as an alternative pain treatment so I could just throw away my prescription to whatever crap they gave me. Anyways I ordered a "20x resin" which basically was a rock hard dark green/ brown or black even.

It had an almost crystalline texture but was still pretty planty.

Was the most sedating and painkilling out of any kratom or extracts I have tried.

The best part I one capsule partly filled would make a solid dose.

Just like with the leaves if you use the same extract too much it will increase your tolerance obviously. Much faster too if you dose high.


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I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: musiclover420]
    #21820212 - 06/17/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Idk about the skin darkening. It might make me look tanned but then again it is the summer.

There are people on the kratom coinesseur forum who have been using nearly daily for close to twenty years and report no side effects like that tho.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21820277 - 06/17/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I was just doing some reading on wiki and came across this: :eek:

On June 9, 2015 the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced an import alert for kratom, issuing guidance that shipments are to be seized without physical examination from several vendors listed due to concerns that there is no evidence that Kratom does not pose an unnecessary risk of illness or injury, further stating that "[C]onsumption of kratom can lead to a number of health impacts, including respiratory depression, nervousness, agitation, aggression, sleeplessness, hallucinations, delusions, tremors, loss of libido, constipation, skin hyperpigmentation, nausea, vomiting, and severe withdrawal signs and symptoms."

Anyone else not here about this?

Such bs...

source

Holy shit!

"Furthermore, based on FDA�s review of the publicly available information regarding kratom, there does not appear to be a history of use or other evidence of safety establishing that kratom will reasonably be expected to be safe as a dietary ingredient. In fact, the scientific literature disclosed serious concerns regarding the toxicity of kratom in multiple organ systems. "

:badmanthisfeels:

Fucking FDA, hopefully everyone knows how full of shit they are by now...


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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