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Astral Pain
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I haven't been taking it every day, but the I don't feel the effects in my head quite like I did the first time. The pain relief is still remarkably good, but I think the mental effects are diminished for me due to my Norco use. I'm not sure why it is but the bali has been making me nauseous. I love the maeng da and I'm kicking myself for not ordering a broader range of types to try. The white variety is off my list from now on.
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kr0nik0
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The vendor we use just sold out of Maeng Da, both red and green. I ordered the last of their greens as well. Both Borneo and Malay are now gone.
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Bitter Cactus
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If you are already taking pain meds the pain meds will be better.
No what I am saying is this. If you took two four gram doses a day for a week your tolerance would be higher then one eight gram dose a day for a week.
I just find the longer you give you brain to rest the better the effect will be.
Like with acid your tolerance will raise way higher if you take a tab every day of the week for a month vs. taking a massive dose once a month.
Your brain adjusts to it easier the more times you introduce it into your brain and don't give it time to not be on kratom. I am one million percent sure about this and I have used it for years and know this plant down to a science.
Trust me from experience the more you dose in one day the less you even begin to feel it and the less you get a come up at all.
Here is another good example that makes sense. Imagine if you were taking shrooms one evening and decided to take an eighth to start, then three hours later take another eighth. I guarantee if you took both eighths at once you would get a way better effect. Same goes for molly and any other drug.
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Edited by Bitter Cactus (06/15/15 10:41 PM)
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DrMambo
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Holy shit, now that I'm trying new vendors I realize my previous vendor was junk.
1-2 teaspoons of this maeng da is absolutely plenty for hours of kratom buzz for me. 3 teaspoons was too damn much and had me itching and sleepless all night.
The kratom I was getting from my previous vendor I was eating by multiple tablespoons, with nowhere near the same buzz.
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: DrMambo]
#21814483 - 06/16/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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DrMambo said: Holy shit, now that I'm trying new vendors I realize my previous vendor was junk.
1-2 teaspoons of this maeng da is absolutely plenty for hours of kratom buzz for me. 3 teaspoons was too damn much and had me itching and sleepless all night.
The kratom I was getting from my previous vendor I was eating by multiple tablespoons, with nowhere near the same buzz.
My old vendor apparently had a really bad reputation as of late and even when I used to order from them. I am excited that I found a top tier vendor on the kratom coinesseur forum which I recommend everyone sign up for if they want to find good vendors.
But ya, I am hoping I get good stuff. I am kicking myself for not getting maeng da but I have a good variety and will try maeng da next time.
But all you need is like four grams for a good buzz.
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daytripper05
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: DrMambo]
#21814488 - 06/16/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Damn I feel lucky to have gotten a good vendor on my first kilo. I take like 2.2g once or twice a day, depending on how much work I have to get done. Anytime I take over 3 or 3.5 I start puking.
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Bitter Cactus
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daytripper05 said: Damn I feel lucky to have gotten a good vendor on my first kilo. I take like 2.2g once or twice a day, depending on how much work I have to get done. Anytime I take over 3 or 3.5 I start puking.
Wow those doses are super low.
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DrMambo
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Quote:
Bitter Cactus said:
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DrMambo said: Holy shit, now that I'm trying new vendors I realize my previous vendor was junk.
1-2 teaspoons of this maeng da is absolutely plenty for hours of kratom buzz for me. 3 teaspoons was too damn much and had me itching and sleepless all night.
The kratom I was getting from my previous vendor I was eating by multiple tablespoons, with nowhere near the same buzz.
My old vendor apparently had a really bad reputation as of late and even when I used to order from them. I am excited that I found a top tier vendor on the kratom coinesseur forum which I recommend everyone sign up for if they want to find good vendors.
But ya, I am hoping I get good stuff. I am kicking myself for not getting maeng da but I have a good variety and will try maeng da next time.
But all you need is like four grams for a good buzz.
Yeah, I always thought maeng da was bullshit and just for marketing, but this stuff is very potent.
Now to cook my four ounces of bali down into a half pint of kratom laudanum.
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kr0nik0
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After 2+ years of constantly bashing head shop Kratom, I'm gonna have to swallow my words.
I went to a new vape shop last night to buy some ejuice and I saw that they had 30g and 60g bottles in the display case of red, green, and white vein from two different brands. Coincidentally one of the suppliers was there refilling their stock so I got to talking to him about potency, prices, issues with customs, etc.
He threw me a 15g red vein sample pack and I just dosed 4g's 30 minutes ago. I'm feeling mighty good. 
With that said, I wouldn't ever purchase it as the prices are $1 per gram but if you guys are interested, the name of the company is "Kaya Kratom."
Oh, and he also gave me a Kratom drink that comes in a 5 hour energy style bottle. I'm going to dose it tonight and report back.
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daytripper05
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Quote:
Bitter Cactus said:
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daytripper05 said: Damn I feel lucky to have gotten a good vendor on my first kilo. I take like 2.2g once or twice a day, depending on how much work I have to get done. Anytime I take over 3 or 3.5 I start puking.
Wow those doses are super low. 
Had a triple skull fracture in 2006 and things affect me differently than use to. I get nausea and vertigo real easily and consequently can't handle high doses of anything without puking. Not really a bad thing in the end though since I still get the same desired effects, just don't have to consume as much.
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Bitter Cactus
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My package made it through customs and the expected delivery is friday, give or take a day. If it i a day late I will have to wait until Monday for it to get here but at least I know it is on the way.
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kr0nik0
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Damn dude, that is a long time to wait for a shipment. You said you ordered on the 4th, right?
I just put my order in yesterday through my vendor and USPS tracking has it scheduled for delivery on Thursday.
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
#21815086 - 06/16/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you in Canada though? The order shipped on the fourth.
In my experience, if something comes from america it takes like three or four days to get to customs, stays in customs for another three or four days then another three or four to get to my house. Also weekends customs is closed and we don't get mail on saturdays and sundays.
Canada Post is shit but my new strategy for next order is just gonna be to forget about the order instead of waiting like I always end up doing.
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metalfaith
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So I figure this is the place to ask this, instead of creating a new thread.
I've heard of perma tolerance with heavy opiate use.. It "loses its magic." Does this happen with kratom?
Also, what is a good frequency to keep tolerance nonexistant? Once a week? Twice a week?
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Bitter Cactus
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With every drug, the first few times you take it is always the best, the same goes for kratom.
It never loses the magic for me and you can use it once a week for no tolerance build up and a few times a week for minimal tolerance and every day for some tolerance build up.
The tolerance is never bad on kratom if you don't abuse it.
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kr0nik0
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No, I'm in the US but my vendor ships out of a border town in Minnesota. USPS just rocks though. It's the one government agency here that does its job really fuckin well.
@metalfaith: I was an opiate junkie (oxycodone and h) for 4 years without taking a day off. I've only done true opiates a handful of times since I got clean several years ago and I can catch a good nod with Kratom, but only if I smoke weed with it.
I think there is a little bit of perma tolerance, if you want to call it that because I dose quite a higher than everyone on this site that didn't have an opiate abuse problem in their past. For that reason I can't give you good advice on keeping tolerance non-existant, but I'm sure BC can.
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pslyke
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I received mine this afternoon. I will report back. Have about 4g of white Borneo on board as of 5:30 EST. I feel the gentle warmth seeping in :-)
For BC--I ordered on the 9th and received mine (in canada, from the US today).
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0]
#21815303 - 06/16/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People say NMDA antagonists keep tolerance down. Like magnesium citrate or DXM.
I could be wrong though.
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kr0nik0
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I've heard that as well but haven't been able to understand if you're supposed to dose those things at the same time as the kratom, or once every few days.
As far as potentiators go, I really like DPH (Benadryl) but a very small amount. Usually half a tablet which is 12.5mg's.
Do you guys of any other OTC drugs or supplements that ponentiate kratom well?
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: kr0nik0] 1
#21815349 - 06/16/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coffee and weed is the best in my experience.
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