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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21805069 - 06/14/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The only remedy for kratom nausea is puking. I can take red maeng da without any problems, but for some reason the red Bali makes me nauseous as hell now at any dose. I sit and think the nausea will fade like it does in other instances, but the kratom version just hangs and never lets up until you expel it from your gut. After four hours it came out looking as if I had just drank it without any digestion whatsoever.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21805073 - 06/14/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I honestly prefer kratom to caffeine.

Coffee makes me jittery, can give me anxiety, and overall gives me more side effects than I have expereicned with kratom.

Not to mention it actually works better for energy and is more reliable.

If I drink coffee daily for a couple weeks it will stop working much at all and the side effects will get much worse.

If I take kratom daily for the same time it keeps working steadily throughout and I get less negative effects :shrug:



Have you tried drinking coffee and taking kratom. Thats my favorite morning combo




totally, that's what motivates me to get out of bed in the morning

goes together like weed and mushrooms


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21805110 - 06/14/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just got some green horn kratom from coastal kratom.  Talk about potent stuff.  Has anyone ever experienced a serious kratom withdrawal?  The longest I ever took it was 3 weeks in a row.  AFter I ran out I experienced some antsyness for about 2 days but that was it.  Didn't get anymore for about a month.  Not sure I wanna push my luck. I've read where some people have serious pain pill type withdrawals


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Manic626]
    #21805116 - 06/14/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just got some green horn kratom from coastal kratom.  Talk about potent stuff.  Has anyone ever experienced a serious kratom withdrawal?  The longest I ever took it was 3 weeks in a row.  AFter I ran out I experienced some antsyness for about 2 days but that was it.  Didn't get anymore for about a month.  Not sure I wanna push my luck. I've read where some people have serious pain pill type withdrawals




I never had any serious symptoms. Just diahhrea (not real bad wasn't pissing out my ass), mild to moderate fatigue, and some trouble sleeping. This is after daily use for 6+ months, multiple kilos. Never got any depression, anxiety, or anything like that.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21805603 - 06/14/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I never had any serious symptoms. Just diahhrea (not real bad wasn't pissing out my ass), mild to moderate fatigue, and some trouble sleeping. This is after daily use for 6+ months, multiple kilos. Never got any depression, anxiety, or anything like that.




Same. I've been using the stuff for close to 2 years now (off and on), and my withdrawals rival caffeine withdrawals more than opiate withdrawals.
The stuff is awesome if you use it responsibly.
Seems like under 4 grams keeps the kratom from bonding to my kappa receptors.
I'm sensitive, so for most it may be closer to 7 grams.
After 4 grams, I start to get the sedation and more typical opioid effects.

Just ordered a 1/4lb of maeng da from my favorite vendor yesterday. They had the order shipped with 2 day shipping and sent me the tracking number all within a few hours of placing my order.
The wonders of quality domestic vendors. :yesnod:


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #21805687 - 06/14/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think I'm done with Kratom, personally.

Been doing it for about a year now, and ...I'd rather just spend $100 on weed.

Gonna taper-plateau-taper my ass off this stuff for now.

May buy another kilo to save just in case it gets scheduled.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21805806 - 06/14/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ya man kratom withdrawal is legit. I have taken it for many years so I feel even taking the stuff for seven days in a row I get withdrawal now.

Before I get my order I already know I am gonna get hooked on it, but I am totally okay with that. It is like coffee in that I don't care about my addiction to it.


I quit meth and stuff and have some depression cause that drug was my best friend and I still have addict tendencies but kratom seems to fill that void for me. Like someone else mentioned here it really gives me a reason to wake up in the morning because I know that within minutes I will have that warm glow and that motivation to do stuff.

I am gonna start low when I get my order and take 4 grams twice a day.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21805845 - 06/14/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

kratom withdrawal is nothing serious, I only experience insomnia from it, as someone said above it's like caffeine withdrawal to me.

Any substance you take daily, can cause a psychological addiction, that is how kratom has made me feel in the past.  After coming off heroin/benzos, any withdrawal from another drug seems like a joke.

I used bali kratom for a long time, it does make me nauseous though.  I would put it in capsules, seemed like the easiest way to get it down.  But bali gave me the effect I was looking for, and was the cheapest to buy kilos of, maeng da was the one that gave me the strongest feeling though, felt almost just like dope, I even caught a nod from it.

But I love the leaf, it's so much better to take a small dose of that then benzos for anxiety, it's great for energy, and just my whole well being.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21805849 - 06/14/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've tried it a few times. The Bali and the Meng Da. In my opinion the Norco is waaaay better. Just made me itchy and irritated. It also made me vomit the next day. Glad to hear it's giving you relief though. I tried taking 25 grams as capsules. I also tried 20 grams in a boiled tea I made. The tea tastes like shit though. (Also keep in mind I was using it for recreational purposes.)


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #21805863 - 06/14/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

20 grams?
You must have some weak stuff.

Over ten grams and I just get a headache and become nauseous.
I envy those who can nod from 7 grams.
I can't catch a nod from kratom without some cannabis.
That's what I get for abusing opiates for years though. :sadyes:


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #21805868 - 06/14/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've got some on the way. Never really tried it before. I'm definitely looking forward to it.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Manic626]
    #21805869 - 06/14/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just got some green horn kratom from coastal kratom.  Talk about potent stuff.  Has anyone ever experienced a serious kratom withdrawal?  The longest I ever took it was 3 weeks in a row.  AFter I ran out I experienced some antsyness for about 2 days but that was it.  Didn't get anymore for about a month.  Not sure I wanna push my luck. I've read where some people have serious pain pill type withdrawals





Yes.  After four months of daily use going cold turkey  I got the zaps whenever I tried to sleep, nightmares, and the first night kicking I got the hot-cold flashes.  I also started experiencing sleep paralysis.  At one point I fell into a serious depression, but don't actually think that was the kratom because I was hiding from some feelings I didn't want to face. 

Keep in mind, this was on maeng da premium(same vendor you mentioned) and that shit was no joke.  I would go out drinking and would blackout every time.  It happened so much I made a euphemism for it 'the aliens got me.'


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: lowbrow]
    #21805874 - 06/14/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Anybody have experience with k botanicals? I bought "Red Veined Maeng Da Supreme" from them, and I'm waiting for it to arrive. Hope I bought good stuff, I'm looking forward to trying it.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Lucis]
    #21805881 - 06/14/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think withdrawal and addiction are different for different people's brain chemistry.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #21806090 - 06/14/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have gone through benzo withdrawals and real opiate withdrawals.


Kratom withdrawals are real as fuck nothing major but such a pain in the ass. I can deal with the physical stuff it just sucks tho because I have no motivation to do anything and my mood is so low.

All good though I am praying to God customs lets my package through Monday and by Wednesday next week I get my order.

One thing I love doing on kratom is smoking. I am an ex smoker and when I get a good high going I go to the cigar shop and get one of those like 5 dollar cuban cigars we can get in Canada and puff on that thing and it is so nice. Kratom and smoking is the shit it boosts the high a lot. My concerta really potentiates the energy side of kratom which is what I take it for. I love the energy the most and the warmth is nice too.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: lowbrow]
    #21806430 - 06/14/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Manic626 said:
I just got some green horn kratom from coastal kratom.  Talk about potent stuff.  Has anyone ever experienced a serious kratom withdrawal?  The longest I ever took it was 3 weeks in a row.  AFter I ran out I experienced some antsyness for about 2 days but that was it.  Didn't get anymore for about a month.  Not sure I wanna push my luck. I've read where some people have serious pain pill type withdrawals





Yes.  After four months of daily use going cold turkey  I got the zaps whenever I tried to sleep, nightmares, and the first night kicking I got the hot-cold flashes.  I also started experiencing sleep paralysis.  At one point I fell into a serious depression, but don't actually think that was the kratom because I was hiding from some feelings I didn't want to face. 

Keep in mind, this was on maeng da premium(same vendor you mentioned) and that shit was no joke.  I would go out drinking and would blackout every time.  It happened so much I made a euphemism for it 'the aliens got me.'




Yeah, I learned the hard way the first couple of times I drank beer with kratom.  I remember my brothers girlfriend asking if she needed to run me to the hosptital one time cause I was nodding out so bad in the car.  I dont do that anymore, but I sure as hell will smoke some weed with it.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Manic626]
    #21806567 - 06/14/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm definitely going to try this. Kratom effects for me suck so it's time to up the power.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #21806698 - 06/14/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm definitely going to try this. Kratom effects for me suck so it's time to up the power.



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I'm definitely going to try this. Kratom effects for me suck so it's time to up the power.




get it from the vendor me and lowbrow go to.  Its some of the best on the web.  My local smokeshop sells it but its sucks compared to online vendors.  Not to mention its twice the price.


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: Manic626]
    #21806763 - 06/14/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That shit is crazy expensive. What other products have you tried to compare it with?


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Re: Kratom, WOW [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21807039 - 06/14/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Over the years I have lowered my dosages. I used to do eight grams for a strong effect and have gone down to five and get pretty much the same high.

For anyone getting into kratom that plans to do it for many years to come, my recommendation is to start as low as possible and over the months and years slowly move the dose up as needed and try your best to keep it the same. If you start high ya you are gonna feel really good but then you are gonna need even more and get side effects. If you start low you are still gonna feel super good and a few years later you an add a gram to your dose and still be satisfied without the negative side effects.

If I were just starting out again, I would honestly probably start my dose at like 4.5 grams. If you are using it medicinally I recommend keeping it low but I guess if you use it every once in a while you can go 7+ gram doses for some opiate effects.


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