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Monotub - no casing layer....
    #21748067 - 06/01/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So....
I made 4 monotubs on the 14th of last month, they are fully colonized, and have started pinning, but i am not seeing any mushrooms come through...

Last night I read 'how to dial in your monotub' and made the necessary corrections to my polyfil on my big tub (which has a casing layer) - good results, the humidity looks correct and its taking off.

The 4 smaller tubs....I think there's too much in the monotub for it's size which is affecting the FAE plus it doesn't seem to be really high humidity like the larger tub is.....

So I am wondering what I should do? Fan and mist as much as possible?
The smaller tubs don't seem to have as good FAE....I also adjusted their polyfil last night and have misted this morning and tonight, i will see how it looks tomorrow.....

Check the photos and tell me what you think, what i want feedback on specifically is:


1. Do the 2 boxes look 'humid' enough?
2. As I don't have a casing layer, what should i do to compensate?
3. As there is no casing layer, i'm seeing pinning but nothing beyond that for about 5 days now, which makes me think it's a FAE and Humidity issue.

I am doing 12/12 with good lights.

The boxes are not usually sitting on top of each other like they are in the photos.

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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21748081 - 06/01/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: Fog1]
    #21748264 - 06/01/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032606

Hope this helps




It does a bit but it doesn't answer my questions.


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21748281 - 06/01/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry I was unable to answer your question I am certain someone with more experience will come along soon enough


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: Fog1]
    #21748316 - 06/01/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

1 and 2 - Casing isn't necessary for cubes, I haven't used one in years. No need.

3 - Need more info there. Have they been in fruiting for 5 days, or did you see first pins 5 days ago?

Pinning triggers are: 100% colonization, evaporation of moisture from the surface, and FAE. Light is important too, but secondary.

100% colonization is most important, both for good pinning and resistance to contams.

EDIT: humidity looks good to me :thumbup:


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: Myconin]
    #21748378 - 06/01/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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1 and 2 - Casing isn't necessary for cubes, I haven't used one in years. No need.

3 - Need more info there. Have they been in fruiting for 5 days, or did you see first pins 5 days ago?

Pinning triggers are: 100% colonization, evaporation of moisture from the surface, and FAE. Light is important too, but secondary.

100% colonization is most important, both for good pinning and resistance to contams.

EDIT: humidity looks good to me :thumbup:





I let me colonize fully, 10 or 11 days.
They started pinning about 4 or so days ago ( that's when i first saw the pins)

I understand the pinning triggers, The moisture evaporating is the most important....I think my tubs need another two holes as most of them only have 4 holes but from the link above this the tubs other people made had 6.


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21748391 - 06/01/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Best explanation of how to put holes in a monotub, hope this helps answer some questions.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=21371089&page=0&vc=1#21371089


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: Myconin]
    #21748404 - 06/01/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

1; you cant see humidity but I can see your holes are too small to give proper FAE which will fuck up your grow.

2: mist as/if needed.

3: see 1.


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: spacechildo]
    #21748417 - 06/01/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You could give it a light mist and put some bubble wrap on it to trap the humidity close to the substrate. it will also keep the top from drying during FAE which you could give once or twice a day, doesn't need too much. They look great just a tad bit dry. Also use a fine fine misting bottle to prevent pooling and big drops:rasta:


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: rmshroom]
    #21748426 - 06/01/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you want the water to evaporate off the substrate, not to hinder even more FAE in coming in and create evaporation which again creates humidity :super:


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: spacechildo]
    #21751294 - 06/02/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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1; you cant see humidity but I can see your holes are too small to give proper FAE which will fuck up your grow.

2: mist as/if needed.

3: see 1.





That's what i thought....i was either gonna cut some more or make the holes bigger.

Approx how big should they be in CMs?


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21751521 - 06/02/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

about 3-4 cm.


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: spacechildo]
    #21752740 - 06/02/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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about 3-4 cm.




damn that's pretty big...the holes on my main tub (with a casing layer) are about 1cm round.....it just produced approximately 400grams wet. (haven't picked them all yet, so far picked 320 grams)




I recut the holes for my other monotubs, they are about 3cms wide now....

Hopefully the humidity will improve and they will fruit!.


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21762189 - 06/04/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Is 400grams wet good for a first flush?


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21762386 - 06/04/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thats almost an oz and a half
Dry weight.


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21762413 - 06/04/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The tubs don't really look fully colonized and they also look a little sick to me. Full colonization is the number 1 pinning trigger, although if a tub is infected the myc will pin because it senses something wrong and wants to reproduce before it dies off


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Re: Monotub - no casing layer.... [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21762531 - 06/04/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

spacechildo said:
about 3-4 cm.




damn that's pretty big...the holes on my main tub (with a casing layer) are about 1cm round.....it just produced approximately 400grams wet. (haven't picked them all yet, so far picked 320 grams)




I recut the holes for my other monotubs, they are about 3cms wide now....

Hopefully the humidity will improve and they will fruit!.





Even 3cm is pretty small man you should re cut closer to 2 inches





Here I pulled the poly out of one of my tubs holes for reference.

Stuff the bottom holes very tight, the top 2 very loose.
You will wanna see a nice layer of condensation on your sub like this



And a little bit of a dry spot immediatly near the poly, just enough to show youre getting nice FAE.

If you see dry spots in like the middle of the tub tighten up the poly. Too wet like puddles loosen it up. You want max FAE that you can without drying up the tub.

Just watch the condensation on the surface, not the walls (this is strictly temp related), to gauge how to dial in your tubs. Dont worry about humidity.


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