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damp verm after oven bake
    #21747891 - 06/01/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So about an hour I took some verm I had oven baked @ 400 for 30minutes becauce it seemed pretty wet in the bag. The verm came wet in the bag, not sure if that is how it is suppose to be.

My question is now, when I squeeze the verm a few drops do trickle out. Should I throw it back in the oven for another 30 minutes or just use less water?

I'm making more brf cakes.

I've googled and used the search function here for past 30 minutes to no avail, so I'm posting this question now.


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: Tuff_Guy2]
    #21747924 - 06/01/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what are you doing with the verm? if you're making cakes or substrate its fine to just use.
if you're using it for a casing layer it can be a good idea to bake it as you've done,
especially if it came wet.

How heavy was that bag of verm tho? verm can hold plenty of water, all theverm I've ever bought has been bone dry in the bag..


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: spacechildo]
    #21747936 - 06/01/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, don't use wet verm for anything. That's stupid, you can't properly control water content without a bunch of fucking around and figuring out weights.

OP, if it's not dry then you're not done. Common sense.


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21747956 - 06/01/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Strain all your verm using a thick plastic bag and a sink. Squeeze as much as possible out of it.
Then bake dry. And start the tek from the beginning.

Else buy dry verm :frown:


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: Ferather]
    #21747963 - 06/01/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
what are you doing with the verm? if you're making cakes or substrate its fine to just use.
if you're using it for a casing layer it can be a good idea to bake it as you've done,
especially if it came wet.

How heavy was that bag of verm tho? verm can hold plenty of water, all theverm I've ever bought has been bone dry in the bag..




Said in first post what I'm making. Bag was like 20lbs or something, idk it was pretty big.

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36fuckin5 said:
No, don't use wet verm for anything. That's stupid, you can't properly control water content without a bunch of fucking around and figuring out weights.

OP, if it's not dry then you're not done. Common sense.




It isn't common sense if I don't know hence me making this thread. But appreciate the answer.

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Strain all your verm using a thick plastic bag and a sink. Squeeze as much as possible out of it.
Then bake dry. And start the tek from the beginning.

Else buy dry verm :frown:




Going to squeeze the shit out of it all now and re-bake. Thanks for the info, didn't think of the squeezing part lol.

Edit: Pretty sure the verm was suppose to be dry but these Menards around here have these big ass side parts of the building where its all open and I'm pretty sure rain can get in there which is what I'm guessing happened to this bag if that was the case.


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: Tuff_Guy2]
    #21747992 - 06/01/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dont take offence, but unless that was very cheap to buy, at 50% water content it may only be 10lb of verm.

Your welcome for the tip :smile:


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: Ferather]
    #21748014 - 06/01/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Dont take offence, but unless that was very cheap to buy, at 50% water content it may only be 10lb of verm.

Your welcome for the tip :smile:





It was insanely cheap, under $15 if I remember correctly. I figure even if its 10lb its a pretty good deal?

I opened the bag though and I'm leaving it on my patio to dry out.


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: Tuff_Guy2]
    #21748133 - 06/01/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not sure tbh I dont use vermiculite. I can get 10 liters coarse or fine for $6/£4 dry. Gardening shop stuff.


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: Tuff_Guy2]
    #21748163 - 06/01/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have had the same problem with 3 cubic feet bags damp not wet, I put it in turkey tins then into a 500 degree oven.

Takes around a hour before dry, just stur with a fork about every 20 minutes,  once dry cool in the oven and put it in large Ziploc bags for future use


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: mush madness]
    #21748344 - 06/01/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have had the same problem with 3 cubic feet bags damp not wet, I put it in turkey tins then into a 500 degree oven.

Takes around a hour before dry, just stur with a fork about every 20 minutes,  once dry cool in the oven and put it in large Ziploc bags for future use





I took about 10 cups into different pans @ 400 for an hour and it was still pretty damp so I put it out in the hot sun on my patio laid out on a table on some foil to let it dry out "naturally." Its been out there for probably an hour or two and its still pretty damp. Going to let it sit out there for another hour or two then throw it back in the oven @ 400 for another hourish.

I did stir as you suggested but it didn't seem to work out still.

I'll try the turkey tins as you suggested, hopefully that works out!

Should I use a top to it or leave it open?


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: Tuff_Guy2]
    #21748643 - 06/01/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mush madness said:
I have had the same problem with 3 cubic feet bags damp not wet, I put it in turkey tins then into a 500 degree oven.

Takes around a hour before dry, just stur with a fork about every 20 minutes,  once dry cool in the oven and put it in large Ziploc bags for future use





I took about 10 cups into different pans @ 400 for an hour and it was still pretty damp so I put it out in the hot sun on my patio laid out on a table on some foil to let it dry out "naturally." Its been out there for probably an hour or two and its still pretty damp. Going to let it sit out there for another hour or two then throw it back in the oven @ 400 for another hourish.

I did stir as you suggested but it didn't seem to work out still.

I'll try the turkey tins as you suggested, hopefully that works out!

Should I use a top to it or leave it open?




I did not cover it, it will condensate if you do. Sucks to get wet stuff, best of luck


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: mush madness]
    #21748716 - 06/01/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea Im with SpaceChildo I dont know what youre baking it for in the first place it is just going to be sterilized inside the jars anyways.

If you are baking it to roll the cakes in, Ive never seen a cake contaminate from rolling in verm before


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: mushpunx]
    #21748800 - 06/01/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yea Im with SpaceChildo I dont know what youre baking it for in the first place it is just going to be sterilized inside the jars anyways.

If you are baking it to roll the cakes in, Ive never seen a cake contaminate from rolling in verm before




Then I have a question


If you're doing PF cakes and the measurements are 2 parts vermiculite, 1 part brown rice flour, and 1 part water

If you start out with wet vermiculite instead of dry vermiculite wouldn't that throw off your moisture content and increase your odds of contamination?

On a side note if you were going to be rolling your cake in vermiculite and it is wet instead of dry out of the bag wouldn't it have a higher probability of containing germinated mold spores?


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: mush madness]
    #21748900 - 06/01/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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Yea Im with SpaceChildo I dont know what youre baking it for in the first place it is just going to be sterilized inside the jars anyways.

If you are baking it to roll the cakes in, Ive never seen a cake contaminate from rolling in verm before




Then I have a question


If you're doing PF cakes and the measurements are 2 parts vermiculite, 1 part brown rice flour, and 1 part water

If you start out with wet vermiculite instead of dry vermiculite wouldn't that throw off your moisture content and increase your odds of contamination?

On a side note if you were going to be rolling your cake in vermiculite and it is wet instead of dry out of the bag wouldn't it have a higher probability of containing germinated mold spores?





"becauce it seemed pretty wet in the bag. The verm came wet in the bag"

:lol: :facepalm:

Yea I skimmed, didnt notice this statement.
Yea Id probably dry it out too, Ive never had verm come anything but bone dry :shrug:


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: mushpunx]
    #21749003 - 06/01/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Was about to say you didn't read what I posted lol.

Anyways its been sitting outside for like 4 hours now and it still isn't dry, its still a little damp.

Going to just put it in a bag once the sun starts going down and then re-bake it again tomorrow.

Really wish I would have checked my bag earlier though, I got the smallest pressure cooker in the world and it is going to take me like 3-4 days to PC everything. I probably won't let it sit in the PC overnight, just a few hours then take it all out and PC again.

I plan on doing 20 cakes this time opposed to the 18 I had last. I'm going to crumble 10 cakes and mix it with some bulk. Also my agar I made a while ago... I just checked it out and that shit was hard as hell lol. Felt like those gel soles you use for shoes haha. probably used too much agar. I only wanted a small amount to use for 1 container so I'll have to figure that mix out.

EDIT: OHHHH SHIT! Forgot these are a good candidate for steam sterilization in a big pot. I might be able to knock these all out tomorrow if this is the case!


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Re: damp verm after oven bake [Re: Tuff_Guy2]
    #21750723 - 06/01/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Tuff_Guy2 said:Also my agar I made a while ago... I just checked it out and that shit was hard as hell lol. Felt like those gel soles you use for shoes haha. probably used too much agar.




Sounds perfect. Agar is supposed to be pretty damn stiff. Way stiffer than Jello. Weight it when you make it. About 20-25 g per liter (20 for lab grade, 25 for food grade) is about right.

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EDIT: OHHHH SHIT! Forgot these are a good candidate for steam sterilization in a big pot. I might be able to knock these all out tomorrow if this is the case!




Yep, that works. IDK if I'd trust steam sterilized cakes for spawn though. I know others do, but I wouldn't.


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