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voodoochild1000
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Testosterone and the psychedelic experience
#21747733 - 06/01/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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... I'm not sure what it is about the psychedelic experience and masculinity. It just seems as though almost entirely the great pioneers and Psychonauts were almost all male. There are few women but a very small handful.
I speculate that the adventurous risk taking element of the male psyche is what drives us to the depths of the psychedelic experience.testosterone. It's engrained within us on a genetic and evolutionary level. This risk taking is how the nomads found new food sources and farming areas. They took the risks of the hunt and the journey. They ate the entheogenic plants along the way and gained sharper eyesight through visual acuity.
... These risks, these substances, these genetics are the reason we go further. It's in our DNA. I just don't think it's in the female DNA in the same way. In my humble opinion...
...No offense intended to the bold females out there!....opinions
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21747741 - 06/01/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't agree
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000] 1
#21747744 - 06/01/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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As far as ive seen there are much more males that are interested in psychedelics than females. Though there are indeed female trippers, it seems that they are outnumbered.
Risk probably plays a part in it. To get over the fear of the first time, or the first few times. To allow yourself to experience it the first time, i think, is where all of the risk is.
Becayse after youve experienced it at least once, most realize that there isnt much risk at all. Its just confronting your own mind. Maybe more males are prone to be able to accept the risk to get into it, rather than femalea.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21747751 - 06/01/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it has to do with the time at which psychedelics came out and womens rights. People were still being all oh a women cant do or be that type thing.
As for right now i know more girls that will easily slip into the depths of the mind at the snap of a finger. All the guys i know consider it a great deal of strength of mind and how serjous that type of experiencr it is. That only to do when its needed. Girls love loosing their shit.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: whitelights]
#21747764 - 06/01/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice feedback....
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LittleDaddy]
#21747768 - 06/01/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LittleDaddy said: I don't agree
....r u a female tripper?....I appreciate your opinion....
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21747788 - 06/01/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My girlfriend loves to trip, although she's only tripped a few times, she's beginning to handle it quite well. She is super sensitive though.
I know quite a few girls who have tripped. Though they seemed more enticed with feel good type drugs more so than tripping. Tripping in my city is pretty uncommon though. A few sheets of acid passed through here a few months ago, and I asked the guy who was selling. It was just as many girls as guys who bought tabs.
I personally think it takes a certain personality to keep delving into psychedelia. It's not risk taking as much as wanting to find the truth. As wanting to find out yourself who you are or the world is. I know quite a few people who treat psychedelics like any other drug, and they almost always get burnt because they don't wanna deal with problems, they just want to run away from them.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
#21747797 - 06/01/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: My girlfriend loves to trip, although she's only tripped a few times, she's beginning to handle it quite well. She is super sensitive though.
I know quite a few girls who have tripped. Though they seemed more enticed with feel good type drugs more so than tripping. Tripping in my city is pretty uncommon though. A few sheets of acid passed through here a few months ago, and I asked the guy who was selling. It was just as many girls as guys who bought tabs.
I personally think it takes a certain personality to keep delving into psychedelia. It's not risk taking as much as wanting to find the truth. As wanting to find out yourself who you are or the world is. I know quite a few people who treat psychedelics like any other drug, and they almost always get burnt because they don't wanna deal with problems, they just want to run away from them.
...tools not toys... I really don't like it when people take classic indoles like it's a party drug. Where's the reverence? Thank you for the feedback bro :-)!
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: whitelights]
#21747831 - 06/01/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: My girlfriend loves to trip, although she's only tripped a few times, she's beginning to handle it quite well. She is super sensitive though.
I know quite a few girls who have tripped. Though they seemed more enticed with feel good type drugs more so than tripping. Tripping in my city is pretty uncommon though. A few sheets of acid passed through here a few months ago, and I asked the guy who was selling. It was just as many girls as guys who bought tabs.
I personally think it takes a certain personality to keep delving into psychedelia. It's not risk taking as much as wanting to find the truth. As wanting to find out yourself who you are or the world is. I know quite a few people who treat psychedelics like any other drug, and they almost always get burnt because they don't wanna deal with problems, they just want to run away from them.
...tools not toys... I really don't like it when people take classic indoles like it's a party drug. Where's the reverence? Thank you for the feedback bro :-)!
Yup. Tools not toys. Yea the whole purpose for me is Truth Seeking, gaining otherworldly experience, seeing some crazy ass shit. I dont take it to 'feel good' or to 'have fun', although you do feel good and have fun when using them, thats not the main reason i use them.
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As for right now i know more girls that will easily slip into the depths of the mind at the snap of a finger. All the guys i know consider it a great deal of strength of mind and how serjous that type of experiencr it is. That only to do when its needed. Girls love loosing their shit.
m a Male and i dont only do it when its needed. I dont take it too often, but i love loosing my shit too, on occasian. Whether i need it or not, but i often do. Like once every 2 weeks.
Ive kind of got a Q if anyone comes across this. : Ive read many peoples stuff and it seems, some of the experienced trippers on here only use psychedelica, or mushrooms, once every few months. And say if they use it more often than that, it loses the 'magic'. Doesnt lose the magic for me, could you guys elaborate on that, as to why?
(Edited cuz i accidently typed in the quote)
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21747853 - 06/01/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I fucking hate testosterone, and only started growing because some guy said I would talk to aliens or god or some gnomes, and I wanted to ask them if it was okay to transition. This was a while back, and I'm still masculine as fuck
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21747866 - 06/01/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree, but I've been slammed in the face with amazingly fun trip that were just purely recreational, and with trips that were me being broken down and built back up psychologically.
I've had some experience with "losing the magic" I think. Especially after taking acid(the long experience of 7 tabs made me not want to trip for a few weeks). Recently I've been taking mushrooms less because otherwise the trip feels boring or wasted.
When I first tried mushrooms I tripped about every week about 4 times. Then a month break, had 1 great trip, and another month break. Took some LSD, waited 2 weeks(for complete tolerance decrease) and took 7 tabs. It was pretty intense(although somewhat foggy). I just had a huge harvest and tried some mushrooms a week later and the "magic" seemed gone. I was just bored with it throughout most of the trip. So I waited a few weeks, had a great trip with my gf. And since then have just been tripping whenever I feel like I want to. I don't want to kind of have a "schedule" or I kinda feel obligated to trip.
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YaMoonSun said: I fucking hate testosterone, and only started growing because some guy said I would talk to aliens or god or some gnomes, and I wanted to ask them if it was okay to transition. This was a while back, and I'm still masculine as fuck 
You should do what makes you happy, but if you're looking for it in a trip, or to ask yourself psychologically, just have that in mind during a trip
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
#21748007 - 06/01/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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For me frequent mushroom use always instantly loses the magic. Like i need months if nit more between mushroom trips to get them to be the most vibrant. Lsd on the other hand i do and have been eating 3 days, up to every day for months, and it hasnt lost the magic yet.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: whitelights]
#21748100 - 06/01/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ugh... First of all there's no such thing as 'female DNA.' Second I would propose your anecdotal reports are not actual data. Women are often ignored or passed up by those telling history, so it's no wonder a male dominated society would make it appear most _____ are male.
A good example of this removal of women from history is the moon landing, recently people have used photos of an all male control room to claim women are just not that good at science and math. Not realizing that the lander code and much of the mission math was done almost entirely by women, who's role was dismissed by many.
So of course at quick glance almost all fields look male dominated.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: StygianKnight] 1
#21748275 - 06/01/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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We are sexual dimorphic as a species..
As far as we can tell, the only differences between males and females are the shape of the body..
The brain has no gender. There is no female or male brain.
What makes you female is that you associate your inner self & body with being female. All of the other stuff is stuff you learned to classify yourself as female.
Learned is kinda harsh.. Force upon you. Girls are not born with their favorite color being pink..
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21748312 - 06/01/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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MikeBearPig said: We are sexual dimorphic as a species..
As far as we can tell, the only differences between males and females are the shape of the body..
The brain has no gender. There is no female or male brain.
What makes you female is that you accociate your inner self body with being female. All of the other stuff is stuff you learned to classify yourself as female.
Learned is kinda harsh.. Force upon you. Girls are not born with their favorite color being pink..
Ever heard of the David Reimer experiment? Psychologically, yes you have a gender. Transgender people exist for a psychological reason as gender is not just a physical thing.
But until puberty, there is nearly no difference between boys and girls. Afterwards sexual maturity kicks in and testosterone and estrogen make the differences. But men being more adventurous isn't completely true. Men are just expected to be more so during teenage years, and usually given more freedom than women in western society.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
#21748318 - 06/01/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said:
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MikeBearPig said: We are sexual dimorphic as a species..
As far as we can tell, the only differences between males and females are the shape of the body..
The brain has no gender. There is no female or male brain.
What makes you female is that you accociate your inner self body with being female. All of the other stuff is stuff you learned to classify yourself as female.
Learned is kinda harsh.. Force upon you. Girls are not born with their favorite color being pink..
Ever heard of the David Reimer experiment? Psychologically, yes you have a gender. Transgender people exist for a psychological reason as gender is not just a physical thing.
But until puberty, there is nearly no difference between boys and girls. Afterwards sexual maturity kicks in and testosterone and estrogen make the differences. But men being more adventurous isn't completely true. Men are just expected to be more so during teenage years, and usually given more freedom than women in western society.
Please read what I typed again.. It's best not to cherry pick information.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21748328 - 06/01/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know, but many feel female without the sense of "learning" to be female. That's kinda what I was pointing out. And then the second paragraph was just talking about the physical difference between men and women. YOur brain is pumped full of either hormone.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
#21748348 - 06/01/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: I know, but many feel female without the sense of "learning" to be female. That's kinda what I was pointing out. And then the second paragraph was just talking about the physical difference between men and women. YOur brain is pumped full of either hormone.
Yes, that's why I said, "What makes you female is that you associate your inner self & body with being female"
I heard about those experiments through another podcast somewhere, was really interesting. It was too bad he messed up some children.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21748405 - 06/01/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My experience has been that it's pretty 50/50, if not more skewed to women. The biggest user I know of is married to a heavy user as well. Of my friends in college friends, the ones who were looking to trip were women. A woman introduced me to acid, a woman and her man are the biggest shroomers I know, one of my ex-bosses was a tripper and a woman, and currently my hookup is a woman. Then there is entheogenic icon (for better or worse) like Kristle Kole, and a countless number of vloggers and trip reports by women on YouTube.
Honestly, I don't see much difference between women and men in their level of interest. I can see more women being reluctant to get inebriated if they don't trust whom they're with though, as well as a general societal bias to take men more seriously.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21748477 - 06/01/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: I fucking hate testosterone, and only started growing because some guy said I would talk to aliens or god or some gnomes, and I wanted to ask them if it was okay to transition. This was a while back, and I'm still masculine as fuck 
.....lmfao bro!
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: StygianKnight]
#21748515 - 06/01/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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StygianKnight said: Ugh... First of all there's no such thing as 'female DNA.' Second I would propose your anecdotal reports are not actual data. Women are often ignored or passed up by those telling history, so it's no wonder a male dominated society would make it appear most _____ are male.
A good example of this removal of women from history is the moon landing, recently people have used photos of an all male control room to claim women are just not that good at science and math. Not realizing that the lander code and much of the mission math was done almost entirely by women, who's role was dismissed by many.
So of course at quick glance almost all fields look male dominated.
Excellent feedback, thank you....
My question is purely hypothetical and in no way is intended to imply any sort of scientific rigor.
But yeah!, it's clear that on the surface things appear to be somewhat male dominated in psychonautics and in psychedelic music.... I did see part of a lecture recently and unfortunately I can't remember the woman's name but she was definitely a super hardcore tripper and very rigorous in her approach to documenting her experiences. Deprivation tanks remote locations in isolation and so on. Definitely a true psychonaut.... Really enjoying this conversation by the way! :-)
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita] 1
#21748556 - 06/01/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure most women think very differently than most men. I know there are always exceptions, but it seems like most of the women I know are so focused on their looks and possessions. And seem to be more concerned with other peoples opinions. On the other hand most guys I know could give a shit about other peoples opinions. And try to impress others with their accomplishments rather than shiny jewelry and nice clothes. I shouldn't even say most, a majority would be a better way to put it. I do think it has a teeny bit to do with hormones, but mostly the environment you were raised in. I think people underestimate the effects of childhood experiences in development. The saying "you're a product if your environment" is very true. And thinking about it most of the gals I've known who trip seem to be less concerned with their hair and makeup and all of that material stuff. I just don't know if its due to hormones, genetics, personality, or environment, or a bit of each. But people either love them or hate them.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21748584 - 06/01/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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MikeBearPig said: We are sexual dimorphic as a species..
As far as we can tell, the only differences between males and females are the shape of the body..
The brain has no gender. There is no female or male brain.
What makes you female is that you associate your inner self & body with being female. All of the other stuff is stuff you learned to classify yourself as female.
Learned is kinda harsh.. Force upon you. Girls are not born with their favorite color being pink..
... I watched this documentary a few years ago. It basically broke it down like I mentioned. The man went out and did the hunting and their eyesight and other tactile skills and there risk assessment were developed through this. The women stayed at the camp and cared for the children and developed language. It was quite a long documentary like three parts or something so I can't remember everything but it was really interesting.
Basically men are better with spatial recognition. Like how men are better at parallel parking than women. These traits are derived from those experiences of the early man and woman in the camp and on the plains. Basically men are better with the spatial and risk reward scenarios. And women are better communicators. I believe they went into how these things were in coded in DNA and passed generation to generation. Just recollecting not implying some kind of fact or anything but is interesting stuff :-)!
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: darkling]
#21748601 - 06/01/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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darkling said: My experience has been that it's pretty 50/50, if not more skewed to women. The biggest user I know of is married to a heavy user as well. Of my friends in college friends, the ones who were looking to trip were women. A woman introduced me to acid, a woman and her man are the biggest shroomers I know, one of my ex-bosses was a tripper and a woman, and currently my hookup is a woman. Then there is entheogenic icon (for better or worse) like Kristle Kole, and a countless number of vloggers and trip reports by women on YouTube.
Honestly, I don't see much difference between women and men in their level of interest. I can see more women being reluctant to get inebriated if they don't trust whom they're with though, as well as a general societal bias to take men more seriously.
.....good stuff...thanks
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21748896 - 06/01/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anecdotally it does seem like men are more likely to talk about it, in some cases this might have to do with privilege, feeling like they have less to lose and are thus more open. Whereas I know many women who trip but view it as more personal.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: StygianKnight]
#21749026 - 06/01/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree with the OP about men,testosterone and risk taking but its not black and white with regard to men and women, some women are more adventurous and risk takers than men.
From a bodybuilders perspective though someone like Terrence McKenna doesnt look like he had a high test level yet he had the adventerous spirit, so high test in the sense of powerful muscles and intense will power to exert oneself is not really a correlation.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: CelticSage]
#21749093 - 06/01/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive been using every 2 weeks for probably 6 months now, maybe more,
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21749223 - 06/01/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: Ive been using every 2 weeks for probably 6 months now, maybe more,
....me too !......full moon and no moon.....I keep learning....I keep going....onward.....
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21749236 - 06/01/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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....me too !......full moon and no moon.....I keep learning....I keep going....onward..... 
 Man i wish i had some lsd to experiment with tho. Had mushrooms 50+ times now and lsd only 2. Lol.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: StygianKnight]
#21749246 - 06/01/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MajickMuffin]
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MajickMuffin said: Ive been using every 2 weeks for probably 6 months now, maybe more,
....me too !......full moon and no moon.....I keep learning....I keep going....onward..... 
 Man i wish i had some lsd to experiment with tho. Had mushrooms 50+ times now and lsd only 2. Lol.
Did L 4 times recently...I prefer shrooms greatly...but maybe my shit was weak...sigh.....
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: CelticSage]
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From a bodybuilders perspective though someone like Terrence McKenna doesnt look like he had a high test level yet he had the adventerous spirit, so high test in the sense of powerful muscles and intense will power to exert oneself is not really a correlation.
Nice!....agreed!
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Great pioneers in almost everything have been men, I don't see why a psychedelic frontier has to be different from any other frontier.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Nah homie, I'm a guy, but I do feel like it's more of a social thing for why girls don't do it as often as guys, if that's even true.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said: Great pioneers in almost everything have been men, I don't see why a psychedelic frontier has to be different from any other frontier.
The new pioneers....thanks shift!...
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LittleDaddy]
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LittleDaddy said: Nah homie, I'm a guy, but I do feel like it's more of a social thing for why girls don't do it as often as guys, if that's even true.
I do notice this, there are much more male pot smokers then women too IMO. Why are MUCH more men involved with psychedelics then women? I haven't the slightest clue...
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said: Great pioneers in almost everything have been men, I don't see why a psychedelic frontier has to be different from any other frontier.
The reason why men "are" pioneers in everything is because of the sexist bias Europeans held against women. Many women were overlooked in science, and until recently, completely denied being doctors. But women were pioneers when people colonized anywhere in the world. Women were a part of it.
You can't look back at history and say women can't be pioneers in any frontier. Because throughout history women were not allowed to be pioneers in anything.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
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I never said women can't be pioneers. I simply stated an obvious fact.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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You can't look back at history and say women can't be pioneers in any frontier. Because throughout history women were not allowed to be pioneers in anything.
I didn't meant that part towards you, I just kinda meant it in like an overall thing.
I think that women have just been equally apart of most things in history, but just a lot of the times overlooked or forgotten.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
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I gotcha. It's just a fact there are more men pioneers. That's not an attack on women, or saying they are unable to. It's just the truth
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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I'm just gonna leave this right here...
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Yup. Tools not toys. Yea the whole purpose for me is Truth Seeking, gaining otherworldly experience, seeing some crazy ass shit. I dont take it to 'feel good' or to 'have fun', although you do feel good and have fun when using them, thats not the main reason i use them.
to me they are both... what i see, feel and learn in a trip helps me to feel good in the none tripping state. thats why i seek them out , for the lasting aura they provide. its multi faceted
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: mustangbob3]
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I have seen hundreds upon hundreds of people dose both men and women. I would say that the tripping scene is 60% men 40% women. The difference I have seen is men look at psychedelics as some hurdle to jump over and defeat where as women just let it happen and emotionally let it flow.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: The Doobie Dude]
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I must have hung with a different crowd. It's been like 80 20 men to women for me. Maybe i'm prone to sausagefests?
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
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I wouldn't be surprised if far more men tripped than women, but my suspicion is male drug use might be higher in general, though maybe thats bullshit I dunno. As far as handling it, I haven't noticed any real difference between the genders in that regard
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000] 1
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Women are less likely to enjoy an experience of that caliber simply because they have a lesser cognitive capability.if you've ever listened to a conversation between two females you'd understand. One bitches at the other about something that's relevant for only about 5-10minutes and then the other foes the same. This goes on and they consider this to be conversation. Add alcoholic drinks and it becomes a party of bitching women.
When you hear men talk its obvious that they go a little deeper into any subject at hand. Sure it can be mindless bullshit but you know what, we strive to reach agreement or some sort of collective conclusion. Now of course there are the exceptions in men and women. The special ones not spoiled by societies rhythmic beat of hypnotic bullshit. The ones that have been influenced by the world of psychedelics and th ones, dare I say LUCKY enough to understand how to view things differently without the use of foreign intervention.
What was the subject? Testosterone and psychedelics? I don't think it has anything to do with hormones but rather with social makeup. Whether man or woman is irrelevant, it is just more common for women to care more about who Danny slept with than what they can explore in their own mind.
May I apologize once more? It's a speedy morning for me if you know what I mean... Lots to say with not much to say eh?
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: PsychedelicHam]
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Interesting thread. ...good observations!
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PsychedelicHam said: Women are less likely to enjoy an experience of that caliber simply because they have a lesser cognitive capability.if you've ever listened to a conversation between two females you'd understand. One bitches at the other about something that's relevant for only about 5-10minutes and then the other foes the same. This goes on and they consider this to be conversation. Add alcoholic drinks and it becomes a party of bitching women.
When you hear men talk its obvious that they go a little deeper into any subject at hand. Sure it can be mindless bullshit but you know what, we strive to reach agreement or some sort of collective conclusion. Now of course there are the exceptions in men and women. The special ones not spoiled by societies rhythmic beat of hypnotic bullshit. The ones that have been influenced by the world of psychedelics and th ones, dare I say LUCKY enough to understand how to view things differently without the use of foreign intervention.
What was the subject? Testosterone and psychedelics? I don't think it has anything to do with hormones but rather with social makeup. Whether man or woman is irrelevant, it is just more common for women to care more about who Danny slept with than what they can explore in their own mind.
May I apologize once more? It's a speedy morning for me if you know what I mean... Lots to say with not much to say eh?
Psyham :-)
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LittleDaddy]
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PsychedelicHam said: Women are less likely to enjoy an experience of that caliber simply because they have a lesser cognitive capability.if you've ever listened to a conversation between two females you'd understand. One bitches at the other about something that's relevant for only about 5-10minutes and then the other foes the same. This goes on and they consider this to be conversation. Add alcoholic drinks and it becomes a party of bitching women.
When you hear men talk its obvious that they go a little deeper into any subject at hand. Sure it can be mindless bullshit but you know what, we strive to reach agreement or some sort of collective conclusion. Now of course there are the exceptions in men and women. The special ones not spoiled by societies rhythmic beat of hypnotic bullshit. The ones that have been influenced by the world of psychedelics and th ones, dare I say LUCKY enough to understand how to view things differently without the use of foreign intervention.
What was the subject? Testosterone and psychedelics? I don't think it has anything to do with hormones but rather with social makeup. Whether man or woman is irrelevant, it is just more common for women to care more about who Danny slept with than what they can explore in their own mind.
May I apologize once more? It's a speedy morning for me if you know what I mean... Lots to say with not much to say eh?
Psyham :-)
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LittleDaddy]
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Why, because I'm pointing out that there is a majority of women (at least from what I've observed) that converse in an argumentative tone and simply don't get anywhere with these so called talks? I don't need to tell you that ops subject was on the social differences in men and women and why men are more prone to explore. But I did anyway. As has been said earlier in the thread, there are women who behave at extraordinarily higher intellectual levels than some men. But observational majority can't be denied
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: PsychedelicHam]
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PsychedelicHam said: Why, because I'm pointing out that there is a majority of women (at least from what I've observed) that converse in an argumentative tone and simply don't get anywhere with these so called talks? I don't need to tell you that ops subject was on the social differences in men and women and why men are more prone to explore. But I did anyway. As has been said earlier in the thread, there are women who behave at extraordinarily higher intellectual levels than some men. But observational majority can't be denied
It's the same for men... I agree with you but both genders do the same thing.. They talk about what they are raised to talk about. It is not that men are just more prone to exploring certain aspects of life, they were encouraged to do so. It's more of an cultural issue than gender. When we see women who were raised the right way, they have none of the characteristics of the normal blabbing woman..
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: rabidz7]
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Hey there. I just felt this sudden need to offer up my own opinion about this, and make my presence known to the world.. First-time poster, long-time lurker, and all that jazz. 
Name's Cassie, and I'm a female tripper.. Been doing this for some 3+ years now, and it has very much changed my life for the better! (In ways that are much too deep to fully get into, right here, right now.) The bottom line is, I freaking LOVE psychedelics! In just about every way there is... But they're also very heavy, and I take my usage of these things very seriously! So I don't trip all that often, these days.. Maybe once every month, or every two months, on average. Sort of depending on the time of the year, and where I'm at in life as a whole.. And when I do trip, it is always a VERY deeply personal, spiritual, therapeutic, and extremely emotional thing to me! Like I said, sh*t always gets REALLY damn heavy.. But in the best possible way, truly! <3 
Anyway, my system runs on estrogen, obviously. And quite likely, my brain is noticeably different from the average male brain.. Not better, not worse. Just different. And I can't recognize myself in this whole testosterone-fueled way of describing the psychedelic experience, at ALL! I mean, don't get me wrong.. I'm sure a lot of you guys experience it that way. And that's great! All the power to ya! But.. for me personally, tripping has absolutely nothing to do with this urge many of you guys seem to have, to take risks, and conquer, and push forwards, and overcome some kind of a hurdle.. I guess that's the masculine way of seeing it! That makes perfect sense to me! But I'm just not a particularly masculine person, myself. 
To me, tripping is all about fully SURRENDERING! To just give myself up, and let it COMPLETELY take me over, and love me, and melt me, and change me, from the inside out.. I'm not the conqueror. I am the one BEING conquered! And I f*cking love every second of it! <3 Sometimes, it kind of feels like whatever is happening to me, is just a different way of making love.. Of being made love TO, by the Infinite... And I cannot for the life of me fathom all of these people who talk about wanting to stay in "control" on psychedelics.. Because not only am I personally unable to do that, but I also would not ever WANT to do that, even if I could! Not for anything, really... To me, the whole concept of NOT having control, and getting completely taken over, and shattered into pieces by this singularly most beautiful thing that I have ever known, is exactly what makes it so wondrous, and so infinitely worthwhile in the first place! Surrendering, to me, is something truly BEAUTIFUL, in a way that staying in control, and wanting to push forwards and conquer, can never be!
I guess that's just how my mind is wired.. Maybe partially because I'm female, and partially just because I'm ME. Because I'm Cassie. (And this is who Cassie is, and what Cassie does.) But.. I just want it to HAVE me! To fully have me, in every single way there is.. And the only way that can happen, is if I fully surrender to it, as if you would to a lover that you would trust with your life, (and also your mind.) 
I really hope that made some amount of sense to you guys! I'll be going away, to a place where there is no internet, so I won't be able to check this thread until Sunday at the earliest.. But I really hope you'll find this a worthwhile contribution to it! I'll see you guys around, I suppose.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LoveInfinity]
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Hi Cassie,
You sound like you have the perfect attitude with it, to surrender to rather than dominate the experience. I wouldn't call this a female attitude rather a spiritual one. Namaste.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: CelticSage] 1
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I may be wrong, but I believe OP is speaking from his own observations, and I have had similar. From the tripper crowd I have been around for the past 6 years or so, I would have to agree that there are significantly less women present. I have also made the observation, like many others here, that women often gravitate to feel-good drugs (i.e. MDMA).
Keeping these observations in mind, one could conclude that it is neurochemical, but only with correlational evidence. For everyone the evidence is going to be different, due to area of childhood development. This is a result of the fact that, like others have said, a child is a product of it's environment.
Perhaps the male brain is more inclined to develop and be more accepting of ingestion of psychedelic substances, where as the female brain must have a certain environment to develop to allow acceptance of psychedelic ingestion. (In saying that, I mean that maybe the male brain is more likely to develop to question the way things are around them, and to search out answers about one's place in the universe. But then again, as I am a male, I am unable to completely comprehend how the female collective consciousness works.)
Or perhaps all of that is false, and maybe (non-materialistic) women have a better connection to their own spirituality and find it unnecessary and/or too risky to use psychedelics.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LoveInfinity]
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LoveInfinity said: Hey there. I just felt this sudden need to offer up my own opinion about this, and make my presence known to the world.. First-time poster, long-time lurker, and all that jazz. 
Name's Cassie, and I'm a female tripper.. Been doing this for some 3+ years now, and it has very much changed my life for the better! (In ways that are much too deep to fully get into, right here, right now.) The bottom line is, I freaking LOVE psychedelics! In just about every way there is... But they're also very heavy, and I take my usage of these things very seriously! So I don't trip all that often, these days.. Maybe once every month, or every two months, on average. Sort of depending on the time of the year, and where I'm at in life as a whole.. And when I do trip, it is always a VERY deeply personal, spiritual, therapeutic, and extremely emotional thing to me! Like I said, sh*t always gets REALLY damn heavy.. But in the best possible way, truly! <3 
Anyway, my system runs on estrogen, obviously. And quite likely, my brain is noticeably different from the average male brain.. Not better, not worse. Just different. And I can't recognize myself in this whole testosterone-fueled way of describing the psychedelic experience, at ALL! I mean, don't get me wrong.. I'm sure a lot of you guys experience it that way. And that's great! All the power to ya! But.. for me personally, tripping has absolutely nothing to do with this urge many of you guys seem to have, to take risks, and conquer, and push forwards, and overcome some kind of a hurdle.. I guess that's the masculine way of seeing it! That makes perfect sense to me! But I'm just not a particularly masculine person, myself. 
To me, tripping is all about fully SURRENDERING! To just give myself up, and let it COMPLETELY take me over, and love me, and melt me, and change me, from the inside out.. I'm not the conqueror. I am the one BEING conquered! And I f*cking love every second of it! <3 Sometimes, it kind of feels like whatever is happening to me, is just a different way of making love.. Of being made love TO, by the Infinite... And I cannot for the life of me fathom all of these people who talk about wanting to stay in "control" on psychedelics.. Because not only am I personally unable to do that, but I also would not ever WANT to do that, even if I could! Not for anything, really... To me, the whole concept of NOT having control, and getting completely taken over, and shattered into pieces by this singularly most beautiful thing that I have ever known, is exactly what makes it so wondrous, and so infinitely worthwhile in the first place! Surrendering, to me, is something truly BEAUTIFUL, in a way that staying in control, and wanting to push forwards and conquer, can never be!
I guess that's just how my mind is wired.. Maybe partially because I'm female, and partially just because I'm ME. Because I'm Cassie. (And this is who Cassie is, and what Cassie does.) But.. I just want it to HAVE me! To fully have me, in every single way there is.. And the only way that can happen, is if I fully surrender to it, as if you would to a lover that you would trust with your life, (and also your mind.) 
I really hope that made some amount of sense to you guys! I'll be going away, to a place where there is no internet, so I won't be able to check this thread until Sunday at the earliest.. But I really hope you'll find this a worthwhile contribution to it! I'll see you guys around, I suppose. 
Great stuff girl!
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: PsychedelicHam]
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Your experience contradicts mine and I suspect your conclusion relates more to your internal disonances rather than to actual facts but hey maybe not
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Ezuma]
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If you're implying that I have some sort of inner sexist/prejudice being, well who knows what's on the inside right? But I know that I am not consciously one to make bogus claims based on biased opinions. It is simply what I've observed and when I posted my first response I was in the heat of a speed induced thought bubble. You know one that makes you spill all with no social filter..? Anyways, I'm sure some of you understand where I was coming from.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: PsychedelicHam]
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Fair enough
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