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Black_Sunset
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21751310 - 06/02/15 02:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm just gonna leave this right here...
Testosterone vs. Risk Taking
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mustangbob3
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Black_Sunset] 1
#21751323 - 06/02/15 02:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yup. Tools not toys. Yea the whole purpose for me is Truth Seeking, gaining otherworldly experience, seeing some crazy ass shit. I dont take it to 'feel good' or to 'have fun', although you do feel good and have fun when using them, thats not the main reason i use them.
to me they are both... what i see, feel and learn in a trip helps me to feel good in the none tripping state. thats why i seek them out , for the lasting aura they provide. its multi faceted
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The Doobie Dude


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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: mustangbob3]
#21752238 - 06/02/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have seen hundreds upon hundreds of people dose both men and women. I would say that the tripping scene is 60% men 40% women. The difference I have seen is men look at psychedelics as some hurdle to jump over and defeat where as women just let it happen and emotionally let it flow.
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Cognitive_Shift
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#21752518 - 06/02/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I must have hung with a different crowd. It's been like 80 20 men to women for me. Maybe i'm prone to sausagefests?
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Ezuma
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21752634 - 06/02/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't be surprised if far more men tripped than women, but my suspicion is male drug use might be higher in general, though maybe thats bullshit I dunno. As far as handling it, I haven't noticed any real difference between the genders in that regard
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PsychedelicHam
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000] 1
#21760584 - 06/04/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Women are less likely to enjoy an experience of that caliber simply because they have a lesser cognitive capability.if you've ever listened to a conversation between two females you'd understand. One bitches at the other about something that's relevant for only about 5-10minutes and then the other foes the same. This goes on and they consider this to be conversation. Add alcoholic drinks and it becomes a party of bitching women.
When you hear men talk its obvious that they go a little deeper into any subject at hand. Sure it can be mindless bullshit but you know what, we strive to reach agreement or some sort of collective conclusion. Now of course there are the exceptions in men and women. The special ones not spoiled by societies rhythmic beat of hypnotic bullshit. The ones that have been influenced by the world of psychedelics and th ones, dare I say LUCKY enough to understand how to view things differently without the use of foreign intervention.
What was the subject? Testosterone and psychedelics? I don't think it has anything to do with hormones but rather with social makeup. Whether man or woman is irrelevant, it is just more common for women to care more about who Danny slept with than what they can explore in their own mind.
May I apologize once more? It's a speedy morning for me if you know what I mean... Lots to say with not much to say eh?
Psyham :-)
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: PsychedelicHam]
#21760668 - 06/04/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting thread. ...good observations!
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: PsychedelicHam] 1
#21761336 - 06/04/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PsychedelicHam said: Women are less likely to enjoy an experience of that caliber simply because they have a lesser cognitive capability.if you've ever listened to a conversation between two females you'd understand. One bitches at the other about something that's relevant for only about 5-10minutes and then the other foes the same. This goes on and they consider this to be conversation. Add alcoholic drinks and it becomes a party of bitching women.
When you hear men talk its obvious that they go a little deeper into any subject at hand. Sure it can be mindless bullshit but you know what, we strive to reach agreement or some sort of collective conclusion. Now of course there are the exceptions in men and women. The special ones not spoiled by societies rhythmic beat of hypnotic bullshit. The ones that have been influenced by the world of psychedelics and th ones, dare I say LUCKY enough to understand how to view things differently without the use of foreign intervention.
What was the subject? Testosterone and psychedelics? I don't think it has anything to do with hormones but rather with social makeup. Whether man or woman is irrelevant, it is just more common for women to care more about who Danny slept with than what they can explore in their own mind.
May I apologize once more? It's a speedy morning for me if you know what I mean... Lots to say with not much to say eh?
Psyham :-)
You've displayed your lesser cognitive capability.
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rabidz7
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LittleDaddy]
#21761733 - 06/04/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LittleDaddy said:
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PsychedelicHam said: Women are less likely to enjoy an experience of that caliber simply because they have a lesser cognitive capability.if you've ever listened to a conversation between two females you'd understand. One bitches at the other about something that's relevant for only about 5-10minutes and then the other foes the same. This goes on and they consider this to be conversation. Add alcoholic drinks and it becomes a party of bitching women.
When you hear men talk its obvious that they go a little deeper into any subject at hand. Sure it can be mindless bullshit but you know what, we strive to reach agreement or some sort of collective conclusion. Now of course there are the exceptions in men and women. The special ones not spoiled by societies rhythmic beat of hypnotic bullshit. The ones that have been influenced by the world of psychedelics and th ones, dare I say LUCKY enough to understand how to view things differently without the use of foreign intervention.
What was the subject? Testosterone and psychedelics? I don't think it has anything to do with hormones but rather with social makeup. Whether man or woman is irrelevant, it is just more common for women to care more about who Danny slept with than what they can explore in their own mind.
May I apologize once more? It's a speedy morning for me if you know what I mean... Lots to say with not much to say eh?
Psyham :-)
You've displayed your lesser cognitive capability.
Agreed.
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PsychedelicHam
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LittleDaddy]
#21762027 - 06/04/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why, because I'm pointing out that there is a majority of women (at least from what I've observed) that converse in an argumentative tone and simply don't get anywhere with these so called talks? I don't need to tell you that ops subject was on the social differences in men and women and why men are more prone to explore. But I did anyway. As has been said earlier in the thread, there are women who behave at extraordinarily higher intellectual levels than some men. But observational majority can't be denied
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MikeBearPig
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: PsychedelicHam]
#21762035 - 06/04/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PsychedelicHam said: Why, because I'm pointing out that there is a majority of women (at least from what I've observed) that converse in an argumentative tone and simply don't get anywhere with these so called talks? I don't need to tell you that ops subject was on the social differences in men and women and why men are more prone to explore. But I did anyway. As has been said earlier in the thread, there are women who behave at extraordinarily higher intellectual levels than some men. But observational majority can't be denied
It's the same for men... I agree with you but both genders do the same thing.. They talk about what they are raised to talk about. It is not that men are just more prone to exploring certain aspects of life, they were encouraged to do so. It's more of an cultural issue than gender. When we see women who were raised the right way, they have none of the characteristics of the normal blabbing woman..
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LoveInfinity
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: rabidz7]
#21762105 - 06/04/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey there. I just felt this sudden need to offer up my own opinion about this, and make my presence known to the world.. First-time poster, long-time lurker, and all that jazz. 
Name's Cassie, and I'm a female tripper.. Been doing this for some 3+ years now, and it has very much changed my life for the better! (In ways that are much too deep to fully get into, right here, right now.) The bottom line is, I freaking LOVE psychedelics! In just about every way there is... But they're also very heavy, and I take my usage of these things very seriously! So I don't trip all that often, these days.. Maybe once every month, or every two months, on average. Sort of depending on the time of the year, and where I'm at in life as a whole.. And when I do trip, it is always a VERY deeply personal, spiritual, therapeutic, and extremely emotional thing to me! Like I said, sh*t always gets REALLY damn heavy.. But in the best possible way, truly! <3 
Anyway, my system runs on estrogen, obviously. And quite likely, my brain is noticeably different from the average male brain.. Not better, not worse. Just different. And I can't recognize myself in this whole testosterone-fueled way of describing the psychedelic experience, at ALL! I mean, don't get me wrong.. I'm sure a lot of you guys experience it that way. And that's great! All the power to ya! But.. for me personally, tripping has absolutely nothing to do with this urge many of you guys seem to have, to take risks, and conquer, and push forwards, and overcome some kind of a hurdle.. I guess that's the masculine way of seeing it! That makes perfect sense to me! But I'm just not a particularly masculine person, myself. 
To me, tripping is all about fully SURRENDERING! To just give myself up, and let it COMPLETELY take me over, and love me, and melt me, and change me, from the inside out.. I'm not the conqueror. I am the one BEING conquered! And I f*cking love every second of it! <3 Sometimes, it kind of feels like whatever is happening to me, is just a different way of making love.. Of being made love TO, by the Infinite... And I cannot for the life of me fathom all of these people who talk about wanting to stay in "control" on psychedelics.. Because not only am I personally unable to do that, but I also would not ever WANT to do that, even if I could! Not for anything, really... To me, the whole concept of NOT having control, and getting completely taken over, and shattered into pieces by this singularly most beautiful thing that I have ever known, is exactly what makes it so wondrous, and so infinitely worthwhile in the first place! Surrendering, to me, is something truly BEAUTIFUL, in a way that staying in control, and wanting to push forwards and conquer, can never be!
I guess that's just how my mind is wired.. Maybe partially because I'm female, and partially just because I'm ME. Because I'm Cassie. (And this is who Cassie is, and what Cassie does.) But.. I just want it to HAVE me! To fully have me, in every single way there is.. And the only way that can happen, is if I fully surrender to it, as if you would to a lover that you would trust with your life, (and also your mind.) 
I really hope that made some amount of sense to you guys! I'll be going away, to a place where there is no internet, so I won't be able to check this thread until Sunday at the earliest.. But I really hope you'll find this a worthwhile contribution to it! I'll see you guys around, I suppose.
Edited by LoveInfinity (06/04/15 03:34 PM)
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CelticSage



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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LoveInfinity]
#21762281 - 06/04/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi Cassie,
You sound like you have the perfect attitude with it, to surrender to rather than dominate the experience. I wouldn't call this a female attitude rather a spiritual one. Namaste.
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Lost Bear
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: CelticSage] 1
#21762996 - 06/04/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I may be wrong, but I believe OP is speaking from his own observations, and I have had similar. From the tripper crowd I have been around for the past 6 years or so, I would have to agree that there are significantly less women present. I have also made the observation, like many others here, that women often gravitate to feel-good drugs (i.e. MDMA).
Keeping these observations in mind, one could conclude that it is neurochemical, but only with correlational evidence. For everyone the evidence is going to be different, due to area of childhood development. This is a result of the fact that, like others have said, a child is a product of it's environment.
Perhaps the male brain is more inclined to develop and be more accepting of ingestion of psychedelic substances, where as the female brain must have a certain environment to develop to allow acceptance of psychedelic ingestion. (In saying that, I mean that maybe the male brain is more likely to develop to question the way things are around them, and to search out answers about one's place in the universe. But then again, as I am a male, I am unable to completely comprehend how the female collective consciousness works.)
Or perhaps all of that is false, and maybe (non-materialistic) women have a better connection to their own spirituality and find it unnecessary and/or too risky to use psychedelics.
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LoveInfinity]
#21765342 - 06/05/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LoveInfinity said: Hey there. I just felt this sudden need to offer up my own opinion about this, and make my presence known to the world.. First-time poster, long-time lurker, and all that jazz. 
Name's Cassie, and I'm a female tripper.. Been doing this for some 3+ years now, and it has very much changed my life for the better! (In ways that are much too deep to fully get into, right here, right now.) The bottom line is, I freaking LOVE psychedelics! In just about every way there is... But they're also very heavy, and I take my usage of these things very seriously! So I don't trip all that often, these days.. Maybe once every month, or every two months, on average. Sort of depending on the time of the year, and where I'm at in life as a whole.. And when I do trip, it is always a VERY deeply personal, spiritual, therapeutic, and extremely emotional thing to me! Like I said, sh*t always gets REALLY damn heavy.. But in the best possible way, truly! <3 
Anyway, my system runs on estrogen, obviously. And quite likely, my brain is noticeably different from the average male brain.. Not better, not worse. Just different. And I can't recognize myself in this whole testosterone-fueled way of describing the psychedelic experience, at ALL! I mean, don't get me wrong.. I'm sure a lot of you guys experience it that way. And that's great! All the power to ya! But.. for me personally, tripping has absolutely nothing to do with this urge many of you guys seem to have, to take risks, and conquer, and push forwards, and overcome some kind of a hurdle.. I guess that's the masculine way of seeing it! That makes perfect sense to me! But I'm just not a particularly masculine person, myself. 
To me, tripping is all about fully SURRENDERING! To just give myself up, and let it COMPLETELY take me over, and love me, and melt me, and change me, from the inside out.. I'm not the conqueror. I am the one BEING conquered! And I f*cking love every second of it! <3 Sometimes, it kind of feels like whatever is happening to me, is just a different way of making love.. Of being made love TO, by the Infinite... And I cannot for the life of me fathom all of these people who talk about wanting to stay in "control" on psychedelics.. Because not only am I personally unable to do that, but I also would not ever WANT to do that, even if I could! Not for anything, really... To me, the whole concept of NOT having control, and getting completely taken over, and shattered into pieces by this singularly most beautiful thing that I have ever known, is exactly what makes it so wondrous, and so infinitely worthwhile in the first place! Surrendering, to me, is something truly BEAUTIFUL, in a way that staying in control, and wanting to push forwards and conquer, can never be!
I guess that's just how my mind is wired.. Maybe partially because I'm female, and partially just because I'm ME. Because I'm Cassie. (And this is who Cassie is, and what Cassie does.) But.. I just want it to HAVE me! To fully have me, in every single way there is.. And the only way that can happen, is if I fully surrender to it, as if you would to a lover that you would trust with your life, (and also your mind.) 
I really hope that made some amount of sense to you guys! I'll be going away, to a place where there is no internet, so I won't be able to check this thread until Sunday at the earliest.. But I really hope you'll find this a worthwhile contribution to it! I'll see you guys around, I suppose. 
Great stuff girl!
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Ezuma
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: PsychedelicHam]
#21767910 - 06/05/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your experience contradicts mine and I suspect your conclusion relates more to your internal disonances rather than to actual facts but hey maybe not
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PsychedelicHam
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Ezuma]
#21768236 - 06/05/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're implying that I have some sort of inner sexist/prejudice being, well who knows what's on the inside right? But I know that I am not consciously one to make bogus claims based on biased opinions. It is simply what I've observed and when I posted my first response I was in the heat of a speed induced thought bubble. You know one that makes you spill all with no social filter..? Anyways, I'm sure some of you understand where I was coming from.
Psyham
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Ezuma
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: PsychedelicHam]
#21771553 - 06/06/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fair enough
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