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voodoochild1000
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Testosterone and the psychedelic experience
#21747733 - 06/01/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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... I'm not sure what it is about the psychedelic experience and masculinity. It just seems as though almost entirely the great pioneers and Psychonauts were almost all male. There are few women but a very small handful.
I speculate that the adventurous risk taking element of the male psyche is what drives us to the depths of the psychedelic experience.testosterone. It's engrained within us on a genetic and evolutionary level. This risk taking is how the nomads found new food sources and farming areas. They took the risks of the hunt and the journey. They ate the entheogenic plants along the way and gained sharper eyesight through visual acuity.
... These risks, these substances, these genetics are the reason we go further. It's in our DNA. I just don't think it's in the female DNA in the same way. In my humble opinion...
...No offense intended to the bold females out there!....opinions
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21747741 - 06/01/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't agree
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000] 1
#21747744 - 06/01/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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As far as ive seen there are much more males that are interested in psychedelics than females. Though there are indeed female trippers, it seems that they are outnumbered.
Risk probably plays a part in it. To get over the fear of the first time, or the first few times. To allow yourself to experience it the first time, i think, is where all of the risk is.
Becayse after youve experienced it at least once, most realize that there isnt much risk at all. Its just confronting your own mind. Maybe more males are prone to be able to accept the risk to get into it, rather than femalea.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21747751 - 06/01/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it has to do with the time at which psychedelics came out and womens rights. People were still being all oh a women cant do or be that type thing.
As for right now i know more girls that will easily slip into the depths of the mind at the snap of a finger. All the guys i know consider it a great deal of strength of mind and how serjous that type of experiencr it is. That only to do when its needed. Girls love loosing their shit.
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: whitelights]
#21747764 - 06/01/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice feedback....
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: LittleDaddy]
#21747768 - 06/01/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LittleDaddy said: I don't agree
....r u a female tripper?....I appreciate your opinion....
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21747788 - 06/01/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My girlfriend loves to trip, although she's only tripped a few times, she's beginning to handle it quite well. She is super sensitive though.
I know quite a few girls who have tripped. Though they seemed more enticed with feel good type drugs more so than tripping. Tripping in my city is pretty uncommon though. A few sheets of acid passed through here a few months ago, and I asked the guy who was selling. It was just as many girls as guys who bought tabs.
I personally think it takes a certain personality to keep delving into psychedelia. It's not risk taking as much as wanting to find the truth. As wanting to find out yourself who you are or the world is. I know quite a few people who treat psychedelics like any other drug, and they almost always get burnt because they don't wanna deal with problems, they just want to run away from them.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
#21747797 - 06/01/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: My girlfriend loves to trip, although she's only tripped a few times, she's beginning to handle it quite well. She is super sensitive though.
I know quite a few girls who have tripped. Though they seemed more enticed with feel good type drugs more so than tripping. Tripping in my city is pretty uncommon though. A few sheets of acid passed through here a few months ago, and I asked the guy who was selling. It was just as many girls as guys who bought tabs.
I personally think it takes a certain personality to keep delving into psychedelia. It's not risk taking as much as wanting to find the truth. As wanting to find out yourself who you are or the world is. I know quite a few people who treat psychedelics like any other drug, and they almost always get burnt because they don't wanna deal with problems, they just want to run away from them.
...tools not toys... I really don't like it when people take classic indoles like it's a party drug. Where's the reverence? Thank you for the feedback bro :-)!
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: whitelights]
#21747831 - 06/01/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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voodoochild1000 said:
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Achillita said: My girlfriend loves to trip, although she's only tripped a few times, she's beginning to handle it quite well. She is super sensitive though.
I know quite a few girls who have tripped. Though they seemed more enticed with feel good type drugs more so than tripping. Tripping in my city is pretty uncommon though. A few sheets of acid passed through here a few months ago, and I asked the guy who was selling. It was just as many girls as guys who bought tabs.
I personally think it takes a certain personality to keep delving into psychedelia. It's not risk taking as much as wanting to find the truth. As wanting to find out yourself who you are or the world is. I know quite a few people who treat psychedelics like any other drug, and they almost always get burnt because they don't wanna deal with problems, they just want to run away from them.
...tools not toys... I really don't like it when people take classic indoles like it's a party drug. Where's the reverence? Thank you for the feedback bro :-)!
Yup. Tools not toys. Yea the whole purpose for me is Truth Seeking, gaining otherworldly experience, seeing some crazy ass shit. I dont take it to 'feel good' or to 'have fun', although you do feel good and have fun when using them, thats not the main reason i use them.
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As for right now i know more girls that will easily slip into the depths of the mind at the snap of a finger. All the guys i know consider it a great deal of strength of mind and how serjous that type of experiencr it is. That only to do when its needed. Girls love loosing their shit.
m a Male and i dont only do it when its needed. I dont take it too often, but i love loosing my shit too, on occasian. Whether i need it or not, but i often do. Like once every 2 weeks.
Ive kind of got a Q if anyone comes across this. : Ive read many peoples stuff and it seems, some of the experienced trippers on here only use psychedelica, or mushrooms, once every few months. And say if they use it more often than that, it loses the 'magic'. Doesnt lose the magic for me, could you guys elaborate on that, as to why?
(Edited cuz i accidently typed in the quote)
Edited by MajickMuffin (06/01/15 10:07 AM)
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MajickMuffin]
#21747853 - 06/01/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I fucking hate testosterone, and only started growing because some guy said I would talk to aliens or god or some gnomes, and I wanted to ask them if it was okay to transition. This was a while back, and I'm still masculine as fuck
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Achillita
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21747866 - 06/01/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree, but I've been slammed in the face with amazingly fun trip that were just purely recreational, and with trips that were me being broken down and built back up psychologically.
I've had some experience with "losing the magic" I think. Especially after taking acid(the long experience of 7 tabs made me not want to trip for a few weeks). Recently I've been taking mushrooms less because otherwise the trip feels boring or wasted.
When I first tried mushrooms I tripped about every week about 4 times. Then a month break, had 1 great trip, and another month break. Took some LSD, waited 2 weeks(for complete tolerance decrease) and took 7 tabs. It was pretty intense(although somewhat foggy). I just had a huge harvest and tried some mushrooms a week later and the "magic" seemed gone. I was just bored with it throughout most of the trip. So I waited a few weeks, had a great trip with my gf. And since then have just been tripping whenever I feel like I want to. I don't want to kind of have a "schedule" or I kinda feel obligated to trip.
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YaMoonSun said: I fucking hate testosterone, and only started growing because some guy said I would talk to aliens or god or some gnomes, and I wanted to ask them if it was okay to transition. This was a while back, and I'm still masculine as fuck 
You should do what makes you happy, but if you're looking for it in a trip, or to ask yourself psychologically, just have that in mind during a trip
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
#21748007 - 06/01/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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For me frequent mushroom use always instantly loses the magic. Like i need months if nit more between mushroom trips to get them to be the most vibrant. Lsd on the other hand i do and have been eating 3 days, up to every day for months, and it hasnt lost the magic yet.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: whitelights]
#21748100 - 06/01/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ugh... First of all there's no such thing as 'female DNA.' Second I would propose your anecdotal reports are not actual data. Women are often ignored or passed up by those telling history, so it's no wonder a male dominated society would make it appear most _____ are male.
A good example of this removal of women from history is the moon landing, recently people have used photos of an all male control room to claim women are just not that good at science and math. Not realizing that the lander code and much of the mission math was done almost entirely by women, who's role was dismissed by many.
So of course at quick glance almost all fields look male dominated.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: StygianKnight] 1
#21748275 - 06/01/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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We are sexual dimorphic as a species..
As far as we can tell, the only differences between males and females are the shape of the body..
The brain has no gender. There is no female or male brain.
What makes you female is that you associate your inner self & body with being female. All of the other stuff is stuff you learned to classify yourself as female.
Learned is kinda harsh.. Force upon you. Girls are not born with their favorite color being pink..
Edited by MikeBearPig (06/01/15 12:47 PM)
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21748312 - 06/01/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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MikeBearPig said: We are sexual dimorphic as a species..
As far as we can tell, the only differences between males and females are the shape of the body..
The brain has no gender. There is no female or male brain.
What makes you female is that you accociate your inner self body with being female. All of the other stuff is stuff you learned to classify yourself as female.
Learned is kinda harsh.. Force upon you. Girls are not born with their favorite color being pink..
Ever heard of the David Reimer experiment? Psychologically, yes you have a gender. Transgender people exist for a psychological reason as gender is not just a physical thing.
But until puberty, there is nearly no difference between boys and girls. Afterwards sexual maturity kicks in and testosterone and estrogen make the differences. But men being more adventurous isn't completely true. Men are just expected to be more so during teenage years, and usually given more freedom than women in western society.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
#21748318 - 06/01/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said:
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MikeBearPig said: We are sexual dimorphic as a species..
As far as we can tell, the only differences between males and females are the shape of the body..
The brain has no gender. There is no female or male brain.
What makes you female is that you accociate your inner self body with being female. All of the other stuff is stuff you learned to classify yourself as female.
Learned is kinda harsh.. Force upon you. Girls are not born with their favorite color being pink..
Ever heard of the David Reimer experiment? Psychologically, yes you have a gender. Transgender people exist for a psychological reason as gender is not just a physical thing.
But until puberty, there is nearly no difference between boys and girls. Afterwards sexual maturity kicks in and testosterone and estrogen make the differences. But men being more adventurous isn't completely true. Men are just expected to be more so during teenage years, and usually given more freedom than women in western society.
Please read what I typed again.. It's best not to cherry pick information.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21748328 - 06/01/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know, but many feel female without the sense of "learning" to be female. That's kinda what I was pointing out. And then the second paragraph was just talking about the physical difference between men and women. YOur brain is pumped full of either hormone.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: Achillita]
#21748348 - 06/01/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: I know, but many feel female without the sense of "learning" to be female. That's kinda what I was pointing out. And then the second paragraph was just talking about the physical difference between men and women. YOur brain is pumped full of either hormone.
Yes, that's why I said, "What makes you female is that you associate your inner self & body with being female"
I heard about those experiments through another podcast somewhere, was really interesting. It was too bad he messed up some children.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21748405 - 06/01/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My experience has been that it's pretty 50/50, if not more skewed to women. The biggest user I know of is married to a heavy user as well. Of my friends in college friends, the ones who were looking to trip were women. A woman introduced me to acid, a woman and her man are the biggest shroomers I know, one of my ex-bosses was a tripper and a woman, and currently my hookup is a woman. Then there is entheogenic icon (for better or worse) like Kristle Kole, and a countless number of vloggers and trip reports by women on YouTube.
Honestly, I don't see much difference between women and men in their level of interest. I can see more women being reluctant to get inebriated if they don't trust whom they're with though, as well as a general societal bias to take men more seriously.
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Re: Testosterone and the psychedelic experience [Re: YaMoonSun]
#21748477 - 06/01/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: I fucking hate testosterone, and only started growing because some guy said I would talk to aliens or god or some gnomes, and I wanted to ask them if it was okay to transition. This was a while back, and I'm still masculine as fuck 
.....lmfao bro!
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