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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21755860 - 06/03/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Metabolites wouldn't mean it can't still smell like fresh mycelium. Also sometimes metabolites just seem to happen it doesn't necessarily mean it's fighting something off.


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: mushmagic]
    #21755864 - 06/03/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also most of wat I see in the pics (besides wat I beleive to be metabolites) just look like exposed grains at the surface of the sub.


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: mushmagic]
    #21755879 - 06/03/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In that case it's most likely a response to my aggressive misting as I might have damaged it. That was a mistake on my part. Tbh at this point I'm happy I have some fruits

A few exposed grains is alright and casing isn't necessary in a monotub. I've inquired about this a couple of times and always got the same response.

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So we know for hard fact that uncased grains do not fruit well.

So why do some of you who don't case  continue to leave exposed grains when you mix your subs up?



Because not putting a top layer my tubs colonize in 7-10 days max, with no negative effect of fruiting.

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I know its preference and all but have you ever thought "uncased grains don't fruit well, lemme take 3 seconds and cover this up" ?



Nope......it was never that "exposed grains don't fruit well", it was more like "exposed grains will dry out and contaminate easily".....but they don't dry out when they are surrounded by moist bulk substrate...so skip the top layer of substrate and enjoy the sped up colonization times lol.




Which btw it did in 7days. Same tub.



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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21755886 - 06/03/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wasn't saying there was anything wrong, was just stating that I beleive that was the other color you were seeing if you weren't just referring to the metabolites.


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: mushmagic]
    #21755891 - 06/03/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've had a few responses where I was told I was wrong at leaving exposed grains "it won't fruit" "you fucked up" "noob" ....etc etc etc :rolleyes:

But yeah I get what you mean. I get it all the time when I go to check "Oh jesus I got metabolites... no... wait... it's just grains! :stoned:"


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21756153 - 06/03/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have a ton of these guys.
Starting to think it's not just genetics and more a sign of some sort of imbalance in the microclimate.


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: lutherarkwright93]
    #21756156 - 06/03/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Or perhaps it's what happens when the sub stalls, fruits start to revert back to myc due to humidity or FAE or something, and then fruiting re-commences.


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: lutherarkwright93]
    #21756205 - 06/03/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

wow ive never once seen a stalled sub revert back..
how would you go about reviving it?


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21756219 - 06/03/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

hey rosenrot, the yellow stuff in the middle of this pic is deff metabolites.


dark metabolites like that often indicate there's something else growing in your tub too.
the best way to take care of it is max FAE, stop misting for a while, and 5-15 min of direct sunlight every day.

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I've had a few responses where I was told I was wrong at leaving exposed grains "it won't fruit" "you fucked up" "noob" ....etc etc etc :rolleyes:




dont listen to those replies :wink:

only thing you can do now is just hope for the best. why the metabolites showed up right after you misted I'm not sure,
but I'm pretty confident it has nothing to do with your misting.


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: spacechildo]
    #21756228 - 06/03/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

from the look of pics i would have swore you used hpoo as the sub  from the rhizo look of the myc and the metabs!

either that or a hidden contam in the sub?


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: spacechildo]
    #21756255 - 06/03/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Meh I have maxed out the FAE but I am worried I will dry out the tub. The polyfil is off from the top holes and the fan is on MAX. Putting it in the sun is just going to dry it up even more.

If there was something growing in the tub wouldn't there be an indication such as a smell? The smell is off fresh mushrooms and nothing else. I think the metabolites showed up cause I damaged/shocked the mycelium.

From what I read, metabolite is like an antibiotic and it is a response to heal. Couldn't it be possible that this response was due to it being damaged from too close of a misting?

God damn it man I was so closed and I just fucked everything, I was so happy too :sad:


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21756259 - 06/03/15 06:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

dont worry either way..

sometimes subs with hidden contams sometime can surprise you with the biggest flush you ever had :thumbup:


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21756268 - 06/03/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Meh I have maxed out the FAE but I am worried I will dry out the tub. The polyfil is off from the top holes and the fan is on MAX. Putting it in the sun is just going to dry it up even more.

If there was something growing in the tub wouldn't there be an indication such as a smell? The smell is off fresh mushrooms and nothing else. I think the metabolites showed up cause I damaged/shocked the mycelium.

From what I read, metabolite is like an antibiotic and it is a response to heal. Couldn't it be possible that this response was due to it being damaged from too close of a misting?

God damn it man I was so closed and I just fucked everything, I was so happy too :sad:




yeah dont dry it out, just give it as much FAE as you are comfortable with.
somewhat drying of the surface will help keep bacteria at bay, and the sun is magic in so many ways so just a little every day will do.

you dont necessarily smell a small amount of bacteria, there's plenty more cube myc to be smelled you know!
stressed sub from hurting it wouldn't have such dark metabolites IME.


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21756270 - 06/03/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's encouraging thank you man :crazy:

So far the fruits don't look too great and the blobs on the caps is starting to make me think that I am doing something wrong and it's not just genetics either.

I am following spacechildo's advice maxed out FAE, stopped the misting and giving it 5-15mins of morning sunlight everyday.

From the pictures though, it's starting to look like the myc is recovering and taking over once again. It was yellower before when I misted the first time.

This is mind boggling, I was so sure I was in the clear but I guess that's my mistake :facepalm3: I'm such a fool


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21756281 - 06/03/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

solid advice :thumbup:
follow it, but i would say a couple hours sun wouldnt hurt and may be beneficial for what you are trying to achieve

i could be wrong dont worry yourself, its just the general look of the mycelium screams to me hpoo or if its coir that myc is responding to something.

if it was hpoo you often have metabs too and in this case it would be fine aslong as its not drowning the surface :thumbup:


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21756295 - 06/03/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'll try and post pictures everyday on how my tub is doing and then perhaps you can give guidance on when I need to mist or not as I have no idea.

I was under the impression that I should up my misting and ensure the sub is glistening with droplets but in this case that method does not seem to apply and I am lost for now so I do need help from you guys who grew before

Thank you, to all of you, I really appreciate all of your help and support in this :super:

Even if it fails, this has been educational and thought me better control for next time


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21756324 - 06/03/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

let it dry for a while but not too much ( a few hours sun with out misting should do the job) you dont want the sub to dry just the surface

then resume a normal misting schedule like suggested above by space to keep it at the appropriate level..

space will not steer you wrong :thumbup:

once surface is dry mist till it glistens all over and then repeat when these beads have mostly evaporated to return it to fully glistening again :thumbup:

repeat as needed


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21759986 - 06/04/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Update of the B+ tub. Mushrooms are getting bigger and fast and also more pins started to show up

I gave it about 20mins of direct sun light in my balcony today. Below are pictures straight after I took them out of the sun.

This is Day 6 from introducing FC















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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21760704 - 06/04/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Can the light brown caps be harvested yet?


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Re: Update on B+ and Ecuador Tubs [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21764473 - 06/05/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm no expert but I'd wait at least until the veil starts to tear if not longer. I've found my fruits add significant size if left to flatten out. Not always but sometimes.
This seems particularly true when the tub is producing sparsely like that.

Just don't wait so long that they drop spores.

Regarding the mutation, I'm having a lot of mushrooms with the same problem.
I'd love to know if it's environmental...


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