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Poisonous mushroom contamination?
    #21747398 - 06/01/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Picked a bag full of subs from a pine forest in south western Victoria, along with one that looks very similar. This one mushroom had an annalus on the stem, and a slightly more orange colour to the cap (possibly a galerina?). Could having this mushroom in the same bag as the subs make them unsafe to eat?


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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: nerril]
    #21747408 - 06/01/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We'll need to see pictures of the mushroom in question.

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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #21747419 - 06/01/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'll see if i can get a photo, but say they were poisonous. Would having them in the same bag make the subs unsafe?


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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: nerril]
    #21747428 - 06/01/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'll see if i can get a photo, but say they were poisonous. Would having them in the same bag make the subs unsafe?




It is said as a general rule, that when picking mushrooms for the table you are advised to keep different species in
separate containers. It is also said that if you discover a poisonous mushroom among your edible, you should discard
the whole lot in case pieces of the poisonous one has fallen off, and might end up in your meal.

So if you were to play safe, I'd chuck the lot if you knew for sure that the intruder is toxic. Even if you didn't consume any
toxic material, the thought of maybe having consumed something poisonous would possibly influence your psychedelic
experience in a negative way.

That being said, if you manage to take some relatively good close-up shots of the suspect, along with a good description,
we might be able to help you determine what it is.


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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #21747435 - 06/01/15 06:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for your help man, I've attached a couple photos to the original post.


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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: nerril]
    #21747449 - 06/01/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They do look somewhat like the gallerina's around western Victoria that I've seen, theres been plenty around, gotta be pretty careful.


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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: Triponerzz]
    #21747503 - 06/01/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yea that looks like the Gallerina Marginata I picked not to long ago as an experiment, I just posted the photo up now with spore print. I kept it away from my others though. It would definitely make me worried if they where mixed and maybe influence my session. If i was to keep them id probably soak them in water briefly with maybe a small douse of apple cider vinegar, mushrooms would be totally waterlogged though and have to be put straight in the dehydrator for longer than normal.


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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: nerril]
    #21747515 - 06/01/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It looks like a Cortinarius sp., but which I couldn't tell. Aussie/Kiwi TI's might be better able to help you further.

There are a few known highly toxic species of Cortinarius, this doesn't look like one of them though. On the other hand,
the genus consists of several thousand species, many of them undescribed. There might be many that are toxic that are
still unbeknownst to science.


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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: anf355]
    #21747622 - 06/01/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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anf355 said:
yea that looks like the Gallerina Marginata I picked not to long ago as an experiment, I just posted the photo up now with spore print. I kept it away from my others though. It would definitely make me worried if they where mixed and maybe influence my session. If i was to keep them id probably soak them in water briefly with maybe a small douse of apple cider vinegar, mushrooms would be totally waterlogged though and have to be put straight in the dehydrator for longer than normal.





i disagree in principle with this idea, i'm not sure what it aims to do?
i also have to say (despite stated by a ti,) that i have heard that it is NOT critical to have had a potentially toxic mushroom in your collection as any contact with edibles would not be significant.

i might be wrong on the above, but soaking your subs in vinegar water surely is just wrong.  you're basically doing a lemon-tek extraction on them and then throwing away the result.


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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21747739 - 06/01/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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i also have to say (despite stated by a ti,) that i have heard that it is NOT critical to have had a potentially toxic mushroom in your collection as any contact with edibles would not be significant.




Well, as I mentioned, it is stated as a general rule for picking edibles. Surface-to-surface contact between toxic and non-toxic
species shouldn't provide any risk, I agree, but any possible debris from for example a toxic Galerina, Inocybe or Cortinarius
would, I assume, be unwanted by most foragers. Being careful is a good principle, so usually one should make sure from the
beginning that any unwanted material doesn't get mixed in.


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Re: Poisonous mushroom contamination? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #21749401 - 06/01/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea,
I guess so, what about just water, would that be enough? or would that also remove to many active compounds if just soaking for a brief moment. Obviously ACV is used and great for soaking fresh fruit in removing synthetic fertilisers and pesticides,i didn't know how negatively it would affect the potency of the mushroom though. good point.

I had the Gallerina Segregated with a partition in my basket, to insure no contamination threats.


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