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PussyFart
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Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
#21747168 - 06/01/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This was a MS culture started on agar from print.
I made 2 transfers to ensure cleanliness and inoculated a grain jar with a chopped up wedge and G2Ged it out.
It colonized surprisingly fast(must be the weather).
Will be updating daily until harvest.
6qts of WBS to about 11 quarts of substrate.
Substrate is coir/verm.
1 650g Brick of coir, 3 quarts of verm, and 5.5qts of water.
Bucket tek.
Fruiting Day 8

Fruiting Day 9

Fruiting Day 10

Fruiting Day 11

Fruiting Day 11
Fruiting Days 12-13

Edited by PussyFart (06/07/15 06:23 AM)
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21747221 - 06/01/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Myconin]
#21747262 - 06/01/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: mushmagic]
#21747330 - 06/01/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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agar promoting threads FTW!
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PFFFT]
#21747332 - 06/01/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Aero]
#21747412 - 06/01/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: spacechildo]
#21747437 - 06/01/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good to see you around PF
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
#21747450 - 06/01/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
#21747857 - 06/01/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Good to see you around PF
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21749281 - 06/01/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
#21749723 - 06/01/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This will be my first time seeing you post a grow thread.
How many quarts of spawn per volume of substrate were you using? what type of bulk subs? I love Z! an oldie but a goodie.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: eatyualive]
#21749734 - 06/01/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pin porn is the best
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21750350 - 06/01/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: azur]
#21751107 - 06/02/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Updated OP....
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: eatyualive]
#21751111 - 06/02/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: This will be my first time seeing you post a grow thread.
Welcome aboard! I hope you are enjoying the view. 
I have other grow threads, check out the first 2 links in my signature...
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eatyualive said: How many quarts of spawn per volume of substrate were you using? what type of bulk subs? I love Z! an oldie but a goodie.
6qts of WBS to about 11 quarts of substrate.
Substrate is coir/verm.
1 650g Brick of coir, 3 quarts of verm, and 5.5qts of water.
Bucket tek.
This info was added to OP.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
Edited by PussyFart (06/02/15 12:24 AM)
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21751441 - 06/02/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I saw in one of your pics that you have a plant growing, Did you just transplant it in there? https://files.shroomery.org/files/13-26/214715601-2013-06-08_17.50.11.jpg
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: rmshroom]
#21751446 - 06/02/15 04:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sometimes seeds survive the pasturising lol fucking thermophiles
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: mustangbob3]
#21752088 - 06/02/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is kind of cool, I have never seen that before. I have always wanted to take an herb clone and transplant it into a sub just to see what happens.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: rmshroom]
#21752202 - 06/02/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some good looking pins in there, ya planning on cloning any of em
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21752908 - 06/02/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Some good looking pins in there, ya planning on cloning any of em 
Not this time....
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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eatyualive
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21754192 - 06/02/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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hell yeah z ftw!
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PinPornProducer
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: eatyualive]
#21754228 - 06/02/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Didn't even know you grew anything lol, nice to see you getting busy
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#21754725 - 06/02/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nice to see ya back to work old friend!
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: cronicr]
#21754743 - 06/02/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21755745 - 06/03/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Updated OP with more pics!!!
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21759990 - 06/04/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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OP updated with pics from day 11 of fruiting.....this is going to be a nice one.....
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
Edited by PussyFart (06/04/15 01:09 AM)
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21759991 - 06/04/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
PussyFart said: This was a MS culture started on agar from print.
I made 2 transfers to ensure cleanliness and inoculated a grain jar with a chopped up wedge and G2Ged it out.
It colonized surprisingly fast(must be the weather).
Will be updating daily until harvest.
6qts of WBS to about 11 quarts of substrate.
Substrate is coir/verm.
1 650g Brick of coir, 3 quarts of verm, and 5.5qts of water.
Bucket tek.
Fruiting Day 8

Fruiting Day 9

Fruiting Day 10

Fruiting Day 11

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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21760006 - 06/04/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Another amazing pinset
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Myconin]
#21760388 - 06/04/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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forgot to ask, did you case that tub? if so, what was the casing?
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: eatyualive]
#21760971 - 06/04/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No casings......
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21761264 - 06/04/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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How many days did that take to pin? I've had a 44qt tub in fruiting for 9 days and still nothing.
Nice pinset btw!
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Thoky.ykoht]
#21761340 - 06/04/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thoky.ykoht said: How many days did that take to pin?
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PussyFart said: Fruiting Day 8

8 days......
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Thoky.ykoht said: Nice pinset btw!
Thnx
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
Edited by PussyFart (06/04/15 11:52 AM)
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21761411 - 06/04/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did you take any prints?
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Zephen]
#21761416 - 06/04/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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From the pins which caps have yet to open?
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21761472 - 06/04/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
PussyFart said: From the pins which caps have yet to open?
My bad, for some reason I thought you had already harvested these.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Zephen]
#21761517 - 06/04/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21765348 - 06/05/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im so jealous, those tubs look beautiful
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21765360 - 06/05/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bucket tek pride
Nice tub
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: LeopardMan]
#21768372 - 06/06/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ty LeapordMan, it's all in day's work.
I updated the OP btw....will quote for easier access...
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PussyFart said: This was a MS culture started on agar from print.
I made 2 transfers to ensure cleanliness and inoculated a grain jar with a chopped up wedge and G2Ged it out.
It colonized surprisingly fast(must be the weather).
Will be updating daily until harvest.
6qts of WBS to about 11 quarts of substrate.
Substrate is coir/verm.
1 650g Brick of coir, 3 quarts of verm, and 5.5qts of water.
Bucket tek.
Fruiting Day 8

Fruiting Day 9

Fruiting Day 10

Fruiting Day 11

Fruiting Day 11
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
Edited by PussyFart (06/06/15 12:24 AM)
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21768520 - 06/06/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: insanemike]
#21768653 - 06/06/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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God damn, those are some meaty mushrooms
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Edited by PussyFart (06/06/15 02:18 AM)
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PussyFart
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: RPW]
#21768696 - 06/06/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, this one surprised me.....
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PussyFart said: Fruiting Day 8

Fruiting Day 9

Fruiting Day 10

Fruiting Day 11

Fruiting Day 11
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PinPornProducer]
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Looking good dude. You find that variety to be more hollow or solid in the stipe?
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Dhearic]
#21773127 - 06/07/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looking good dude. You find that variety to be more hollow or solid in the stipe?
So called "varieties" are just labels vendors put on a cube print to sell more products. It's MS, meaning that there are hundreds of strains in that tub
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: LeopardMan]
#21773139 - 06/07/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Exactly why MS grows are representative of their varieties the population value of strains is high so it averages out. MS is better to see the variations caused by the limitation of heterozygous gene pools to more homozygous gene pools. Yes its just a name but each variety went through stsbilization. They're all cubes but they all have tendencies that show on average. Like how there's Texas yellow cap and Texas red cap and on average the varieties are starkly different. Though both have the potential for awesome strain isolation, you would have no problem telling the difference between a tub of each side by side.
Stems though are way more temperature related. PE is always thick stems though. Unlike weed though the variety doesn't garuntee anything but the bigger grow you do the better since you'll have a bigger population of strains
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: Exactly why MS grows are representative of their varieties the population value of strains is high so it averages out. MS is better to see the variations caused by the limitation of heterozygous gene pools to more homozygous gene pools. Yes its just a name but each variety went through stsbilization. They're all cubes but they all have tendencies that show on average. Like how there's Texas yellow cap and Texas red cap and on average the varieties are starkly different. Though both have the potential for awesome strain isolation, you would have no problem telling the difference between a tub of each side by side.
Stems though are way more temperature related. PE is always thick stems though. Unlike weed though the variety doesn't garuntee anything but the bigger grow you do the better since you'll have a bigger population of strains
Here you are again. I could swear you were one of those "stabilization" and "yes varieties are just names but" guys.
Nobody can tell which "variety" a cube is just by looking at it. Treasure Coast, Z, B+, whatever they name it. Ask AlanRockefeller if he can. Ask RR if he can. PE is the only exception, and albinos ofc (although countless times an albino print will produce normal fruits. You know why? Because a print is always a fresh start).
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: LeopardMan]
#21773210 - 06/07/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PE isn't the only. You wouldn't be telling the difference between most, as most are very subtle if anything.
There are more than a handful that have tendencies that are glaringly obvious though.
ask pastywhyte or workman about their progress on variety stabilization. or alan for that matter... alan's the one who gives me pointers on my microscopy work
betcha could tell pastywhite's new variety from any other cube.
or malabar, which almost always has an intact or semi intact veil at fruit maturity.
but alas almost every variety other than a few of them are extremely similar.
Remember why RR chose Texas variety to cross with PE to make PE6? not because Texas was just like every other cube. he himself said it has the tendencies he liked.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: Exactly why MS grows are representative of their varieties the population value of strains is high so it averages out. MS is better to see the variations caused by the limitation of heterozygous gene pools to more homozygous gene pools. Yes its just a name but each variety went through stsbilization. They're all cubes but they all have tendencies that show on average. Like how there's Texas yellow cap and Texas red cap and on average the varieties are starkly different. Though both have the potential for awesome strain isolation, you would have no problem telling the difference between a tub of each side by side.
Stems though are way more temperature related. PE is always thick stems though. Unlike weed though the variety doesn't garuntee anything but the bigger grow you do the better since you'll have a bigger population of strains
So colder fruiting temps should, on average, produce fruits with denser stems?
I ask because I've finally started growing a fair amount of strains or varieties or whatever you wanna call it and I'm noticing lots of fun little differences between my tubs.
They're all in the same room fruiting so temps and humidity should be about the same for all of em, at least fairly close.
My B+ always seem to grow in single fruits or sparse clusters and are almost always hollow.
A+ are beautifully white/blue, give me good canopies, but they too are hollow.
My Golden Teachers grow shorter and stockier than the others, and give decent canopies. I really like how solid they are and the deep deep blue they bruise.
My most recent tub, a Mazatapec, gave me my nicest canopy yet but the fruits were beyond tiny. Smallest I've seen since my cake days and they dried out to toothpicks.
I have a Puerto Rican fruiting now and it looks like it's gonna be pretty nice 
I wasn't planning on dealing with micro fruits until I got around to trying out my P. Mexican and ATL #7
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Dhearic]
#21773251 - 06/07/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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B+ and GT always look very different from grow to grow. ideally you want to keep the first spore print and always go back to an earliest generation spore print rather than keeping on taking new spore prints with each grow. which can lead your GT to look very different over time than someone else. regardless GT and B+ are bad examples for little differences they're always very different even if you have two tubs next to each other.
but for me temperature makes way more of a difference on stems than anything else I have ever seen. my old apartment I was always at 62-65F most of the time. really thick cubes.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: LeopardMan]
#21773255 - 06/07/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think that cubes are cubes is an oversimplifycation. I also think that environmental conditions play a big role in how a fruit looks. But as bodhi said, there are traits in some lineages that seem to be pretty common. Rust spores, leucisim, albinism and of course the PE are good areas to start. But even KSSS which displays none of those traits is often pretty easy to spot. Some classic cube varieties do exhibit fairly consistant growth patterns. The consistency of these things among other growers leads me to believe that its not just as simple as a reset when you go back to the print. I also now feel that lineage and care of said lineage is important as well.
As for albinism not always delivering albinos, there are good reasons for that. Stability of the master line seems to be a big one. APE has never failed to deliver albinos for me. I suspect its due to how the line was developed (who stabilized the initial tendencies when hetrozygosity was still high is as important as anything). Anyone who has attempted to cross to varieties each with reccessive traits will know first hand how much care needs to be taken to get both phenotypes stabilized and what an impressive range is first available. I know I was shocked by my results initially.
However its a lot easier to get a noob off on his tangent fueled by vendors BS back on the right track by telling him cubes are cubes and to use agar. But it does ignore a large facet of the genetics involved and is in essence a gross oversimplifycation IMO.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21773285 - 06/07/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I think that cubes are cubes is an oversimplifycation. I also think that environmental conditions play a big role in how a fruit looks. But as bodhi said, there are traits in some lineages that seem to be pretty common. Rust spores, leucisim, albinism and of course the PE are good areas to start. But even KSSS which displays none of those traits is often pretty easy to spot. Some classic cube varieties do exhibit fairly consistant growth patterns. The consistency of these things among other growers leads me to believe that its not just as simple as a reset when you go back to the print. I also now feel that lineage and care of said lineage is important as well.
As for albinism not always delivering albinos, there are good reasons for that. Stability of the master line seems to be a big one. APE has never failed to deliver albinos for me. I suspect its due to how the line was developed (who stabilized the initial tendencies when hetrozygosity was still high is as important as anything). Anyone who has attempted to cross to varieties each with reccessive traits will know first hand how much care needs to be taken to get both phenotypes stabilized and what an impressive range is first available. I know I was shocked by my results initially.
However its a lot easier to get a noob off on his tangent fueled by vendors BS back on the right track by telling him cubes are cubes and to use agar. But it does ignore a large facet of the genetics involved and is in essence a gross oversimplifycation IMO.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21773306 - 06/07/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I think that cubes are cubes is an oversimplifycation. I also think that environmental conditions play a big role in how a fruit looks. But as bodhi said, there are traits in some lineages that seem to be pretty common. Rust spores, leucisim, albinism and of course the PE are good areas to start. But even KSSS which displays none of those traits is often pretty easy to spot. Some classic cube varieties do exhibit fairly consistant growth patterns. The consistency of these things among other growers leads me to believe that its not just as simple as a reset when you go back to the print. I also now feel that lineage and care of said lineage is important as well.
As for albinism not always delivering albinos, there are good reasons for that. Stability of the master line seems to be a big one. APE has never failed to deliver albinos for me. I suspect its due to how the line was developed (who stabilized the initial tendencies when hetrozygosity was still high is as important as anything). Anyone who has attempted to cross to varieties each with reccessive traits will know first hand how much care needs to be taken to get both phenotypes stabilized and what an impressive range is first available. I know I was shocked by my results initially.
However its a lot easier to get a noob off on his tangent fueled by vendors BS back on the right track by telling him cubes are cubes and to use agar. But it does ignore a large facet of the genetics involved and is in essence a gross oversimplifycation IMO.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21773308 - 06/07/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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noobs will succeed if they want, the old status quo of shroomery was to tell little white lies to make it easier on noobs, or parcel up advanced concepts into grade school speak. Either way I'm not a fan of the little white lie strategy. You can get the calculus right away, it's not going to help you or hurt you growing cubes the only thing getting in the way or not of you being a successful cultivator is you, not the things people type into a web forum. your own research skills will eventually tell you who to listen and not listen to.
One day down the road they all decide you've cultivated enough to be the real deal and you get invited to hang out with a bunch of TCs and other long time cultivators in a private journal away from the BS and talk about those little white lies and dig into the real truths.
I always think of malabar(or even Purple mystic) as a great example of one of the "non exotic" (Rust spores, leucisim, albinism, PE, and KSSS) that's easy to tell apart.
it's interesting to me that the "exotic" cube varieties are not evidence that a "cube is not a cube" since they're "special" but I'll stand with the sentiment that a cube is a cube, as well as a cube is not a cube. depending on the question you ask.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
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Pastywhyte said: I think that cubes are cubes is an oversimplifycation. I also think that environmental conditions play a big role in how a fruit looks. But as bodhi said, there are traits in some lineages that seem to be pretty common. Rust spores, leucisim, albinism and of course the PE are good areas to start. But even KSSS which displays none of those traits is often pretty easy to spot. Some classic cube varieties do exhibit fairly consistant growth patterns. The consistency of these things among other growers leads me to believe that its not just as simple as a reset when you go back to the print. I also now feel that lineage and care of said lineage is important as well.
As for albinism not always delivering albinos, there are good reasons for that. Stability of the master line seems to be a big one. APE has never failed to deliver albinos for me. I suspect its due to how the line was developed (who stabilized the initial tendencies when hetrozygosity was still high is as important as anything). Anyone who has attempted to cross to varieties each with reccessive traits will know first hand how much care needs to be taken to get both phenotypes stabilized and what an impressive range is first available. I know I was shocked by my results initially.
However its a lot easier to get a noob off on his tangent fueled by vendors BS back on the right track by telling him cubes are cubes and to use agar. But it does ignore a large facet of the genetics involved and is in essence a gross oversimplifycation IMO.

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bodhisatta said: noobs will succeed if they want, the old status quo of shroomery was to tell little white lies to make it easier on noobs, or parcel up advanced concepts into grade school speak. Either way I'm not a fan of the little white lie strategy. You can get the calculus right away, it's not going to help you or hurt you growing cubes the only thing getting in the way or not of you being a successful cultivator is you, not the things people type into a web forum. your own research skills will eventually tell you who to listen and not listen to.
One day down the road they all decide you've cultivated enough to be the real deal and you get invited to hang out with a bunch of TCs and other long time cultivators in a private journal away from the BS and talk about those little white lies and dig into the real truths.
I always think of malabar(or even Purple mystic) as a great example of one of the "non exotic" (Rust spores, leucisim, albinism, PE, and KSSS) that's easy to tell apart.
it's interesting to me that the "exotic" cube varieties are not evidence that a "cube is not a cube" since they're "special" but I'll stand with the sentiment that a cube is a cube, as well as a cube is not a cube. depending on the question you ask.

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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Dhearic]
#21774212 - 06/07/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhite is a gentleman so I am more than happy to elaborate further on this and I hope this can help others to find their own "truth" 
I like facts, not speculations. I like it is, not it seems.
Fact: nobody can tell the difference between most cubes "varieties". I think we can agree on this one. If not, please let's open a new thread and show me that I am wrong. I am an open-minded person and if you show me that you can tell the difference between a TC and Mazapetec or whatever name they use, I will apologize and STFU.
Fact: albinos are different. They show some consistency. Most of the times the produce white fruits, true. But does that imply that they are a different variety? Not at all. Albinos are just cubes with a leucistic trait and if you keep print>grow>print this trait will disappear 90% of the times because of random mutation. That's how the albino trait showed up in the first place. That's how evolution works btw.
Fact: Some people are interested in making it look like cube varieties do indeed exist (mainly vendors, who know that more cube varieties=more money). I've been here long enough to know that this is a reality. And this is the main reason why I keep saying that a cube is a cube. Of course new growers love cube varieties, I loved them too. It's exciting but it just isn't true.
The real mystery is PE. And I don't have an explanation for that, although I tend to consider PE as a different species.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: LeopardMan]
#21774312 - 06/07/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: LeopardMan]
#21774319 - 06/07/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If pe were a unique species muda's ksss PE varietal hybrid wouldn't have been so easy. Neither PE6. Most varieties are impossible to tell apart more but more than a few are distinct. Its a big phenotypic variation easy to see, but genetically its just as much variation as there is between other varieties without big visual consequences. They're all 99.9+% similar its that little bit of homozygous tendency in very few genes with a big "visual to human" consequence that throw us off.
We can't admit to PE being just a regular cube because of its distinct differences but its only different by our human standard. Its still just a cube too but its varietal differences are boss
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
#21774365 - 06/07/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But wouldn't a cube that has originated and grown over many years in let's say Texas, do better in a Texas environment than a Thai cube would do in Texas?
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PinPornProducer]
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PinPornProducer said: But wouldn't a cube that has originated and grown over many years in let's say Texas, do better in a Texas environment than a Thai cube would do in Texas?
Not neccesarily, its going to still come down to conditions and or random selection during stabilization when heterozygosity was high. We grow mainly indoors now and look for certain things that will randomly exclude and include other traits that are not as easy to see. For instance most vendors look for heavy spore production. Workman has even stated himself that early focus on that tendency has narrowed some domesticated varieties in a less favorable direction. Granted he was discussing mexicana but it still translates.
Lets say that I received a wild print and domesticated it. Given that cubes do not grow in my area at all does that mean it will not be able to thrive under my care of the lineage?
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Pastywhyte]
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PinPornProducer said: But wouldn't a cube that has originated and grown over many years in let's say Texas, do better in a Texas environment than a Thai cube would do in Texas?
Not neccesarily, its going to still come down to conditions and or random selection during stabilization when heterozygosity was high. We grow mainly indoors now and look for certain things that will randomly exclude and include other traits that are not as easy to see. For instance most vendors look for heavy spore production. Workman has even stated himself that early focus on that tendency has narrowed some domesticated varieties in a less favorable direction. Granted he was discussing mexicana but it still translates.
Lets say that I received a wild print and domesticated it. Given that cubes do not grow in my area at all does that mean it will not be able to thrive under my care of the lineage?
cubes don't grow in the UK, it still fruited in my garden..
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21774456 - 06/07/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know we grow cubes from all over the world indoors, but if I'm growing Thais, Texans and Brazilians in the same environment, would one variety benefit more from the environment than others?
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Aero]
#21774465 - 06/07/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now even with wilds I suspect there might be some tendencies that may be favorable relative to location. But the impact would be so small given how much you have to work with in terms of genetic variation, that its probably moot. If we were trading isolated culture like the gourmet and medicinal guys do then specific isolates may prove better or worse given a specific region. But from my experience at that point the thought isn't that you can't grow certain species in certain regions, more that you just need to try a different isolate.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21774472 - 06/07/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nice grow pf!
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#21774478 - 06/07/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer said: I know we grow cubes from all over the world indoors, but if I'm growing Thais, Texans and Brazilians in the same environment, would one variety benefit more from the environment than others?
i use the same environment for all cubes. i will feed ape far more water than other cubes. they suck it up like a sponge.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: eatyualive]
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PinPornProducer said: I know we grow cubes from all over the world indoors, but if I'm growing Thais, Texans and Brazilians in the same environment, would one variety benefit more from the environment than others?
i use the same environment for all cubes. i will feed ape far more water than other cubes. they suck it up like a sponge.
i noticed this with ape, they love water
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#21774494 - 06/07/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer said: I know we grow cubes from all over the world indoors, but if I'm growing Thais, Texans and Brazilians in the same environment, would one variety benefit more from the environment than others?
I doubt it. At least not on a measureable scale. Isolation would solve any issues far faster than picking a different variety. Which brings it all full circle. This is why I might be tempted to tell someone that a cube is a cube. The differences we are discussing are very small and even with "stable" varieties the potential is incredibly vast. Even then the number of grows that would need to be done to find the fraction of a percentage of difference isn't worth it.
Some might tend to be faster, some might tend to be bigger. But they all have the same potential. I am more worried about genetics destabilizing than I am about tendencies in one direction or another.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: eatyualive]
#21774511 - 06/07/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I grow all in the same environment also, but was just curious if some cubes favored certain environments more than others the same way as some cubes fruit better with less spawn. My Cambodians would throw out a shit load of mutants until I started trying less spawn, not for mutation reasons but for stretching spawn further and noticed hardly any mutations at all with less spawn/nutrition
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PinPornProducer]
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You are probably right, there are things at work. But they are too small to measure for the most part and impossible to qualify. I do think that there is some real potential for great varieties coming up with some of the carefully managed crosses and domesticated wilds that are being worked on. I know that for me the prospect of Mudafucka's PE/KSSS and grainbrains PurpleRustics has me stoked, looking forward to trying those for sure 
But I think Pussyfarts great thread has been derailed enough. I won't say anymore other than great grow PF
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
#21774679 - 06/07/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If pe were a unique species muda's ksss PE varietal hybrid wouldn't have been so easy. Neither PE6.
I didn't say that it's a different species. I just said that I tend to consider it as a different species. It's still a huge mystery and I hope that somebody in the future will solve it.
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Most varieties are impossible to tell apart more but more than a few are distinct.
Care to explain which varieties are easy to tell apart in your opinion?
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Its a big phenotypic variation easy to see, but genetically its just as much variation as there is between other varieties without big visual consequences. They're all 99.9+% similar its that little bit of homozygous tendency in very few genes with a big "visual to human" consequence that throw us off.
No offense man, but you seriously need to polish your English. I am a non-native speaker and I can't understand what you are saying. I read Melville and Poe but I can't fucking read your posts 
Anyway I am a very practical person and I like to simplify things because I am dumb motherfucker. It seems that you agree with me that most cube "varieties" are indistinguishable from one another. Still you keep saying that some of them are different. Forget about PE for a moment and give me some names so we can open a new thread and settle this thing once and for all (and we can't stop hijaking PF's thread ).
Like I said before, I am always eager to learn so if you can teach me something new I am all ears.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#21774696 - 06/07/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer said: I know we grow cubes from all over the world indoors, but if I'm growing Thais, Texans and Brazilians in the same environment, would one variety benefit more from the environment than others?
Relevant post from an old hand.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: eatyualive]
#21774806 - 06/07/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: nice grow pf!
Thanks
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#21777066 - 06/08/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fact: albinos are different. They show some consistency. Most of the times the produce white fruits, true. But does that imply that they are a different variety? Not at all. Albinos are just cubes with a leucistic trait and if you keep print>grow>print this trait will disappear 90% of the times because of random mutation. That's how the albino trait showed up in the first place. That's how evolution works btw.
no it doesnt because of genetic equilibrium. differing genes in the genepool are constantly being reabsorbed into the genepool as a whole the most successful genes more often than others, thus changing ratios of genes in the pool at that time. the ratios will change depending on the situations. thats why we will never lose ginger hair and such things!!
in nature we hardly ever lose traits from a genepool, frequencys change but you never lose them in nature!! we still can find dna that links us to chimps or to cavemen!
only when we as breeders/gods break genetic equilibrium can such things happen, even still it is rare to lose a trait al together. recessives dont behave like that (they can sit hidden for as long as they need untill a matching or allele one that allows it to come forward again) and no a amount of dominant genes removes these or by altering frquencies. they may appear more or less but just try to get rid of it!! think how frequency change each generation... the % will get smaller but never to 0.
its basic genetics of anything!!
even snakes and lizrads with no legs but spurs in the right situation can evolve to have legs again! the information is never lost!! only the dominant expression changes i.e the gene frequency.
even as things evolve the new mutations are accepted into the genepool and if they are succesful will become high in the ratios but if things change can easily go the otherway.
but rarely if ever is the information lost... so it can all come back out again is the situation dictates this will be more successful! this is true evolution it doesnt always move forward plenty of new gains are surrendered again.
evolution is just trial and error literally
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: mustangbob3]
#21777131 - 06/08/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You got me wrong. Of course this trait never disappears (like ginger hairs in humans, although the problem is a little more complex tbh), I am just saying that the albino trait can indeed disappear for a "generation" or more. Not all albino prints will get you albino fruits.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: LeopardMan]
#21777168 - 06/08/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes  i get what you mean! ...as in the expression may not show itself in the next generation
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: mustangbob3]
#21777176 - 06/08/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said:
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Fact: albinos are different. They show some consistency. Most of the times the produce white fruits, true. But does that imply that they are a different variety? Not at all. Albinos are just cubes with a leucistic trait and if you keep print>grow>print this trait will disappear 90% of the times because of random mutation. That's how the albino trait showed up in the first place. That's how evolution works btw.
no it doesnt because of genetic equilibrium. differing genes in the genepool are constantly being reabsorbed into the genepool as a whole the most successful genes more often than others, thus changing ratios of genes in the pool at that time. the ratios will change depending on the situations. thats why we will never lose ginger hair and such things!!
in nature we hardly ever lose traits from a genepool, frequencys change but you never lose them in nature!! we still can find dna that links us to chimps or to cavemen!
only when we as breeders/gods break genetic equilibrium can such things happen, even still it is rare to lose a trait al together. recessives dont behave like that (they can sit hidden for as long as they need untill a matching or allele one that allows it to come forward again) and no a amount of dominant genes removes these or by altering frquencies. they may appear more or less but just try to get rid of it!! think how frequency change each generation... the % will get smaller but never to 0.
its basic genetics of anything!!
even snakes and lizrads with no legs but spurs in the right situation can evolve to have legs again! the information is never lost!! only the dominant expression changes i.e the gene frequency.
even as things evolve the new mutations are accepted into the genepool and if they are succesful will become high in the ratios but if things change can easily go the otherway.
but rarely if ever is the information lost... so it can all come back out again is the situation dictates this will be more successful! this is true evolution it doesnt always move forward plenty of new gains are surrendered again.
evolution is just trial and error literally
Makes a lot of sense. I was just watching a special on dinosaurs yesterday and they were explaining the genetic link to birds. Scientists have been experimenting with bird embryos and turning on dormant genes such as genes that are encoded to grow teeth. Very interesting stuff.
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: insanemike]
#21777256 - 06/08/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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what we see as an expression is only a small amount of the possibility's that is contained.
its all about whats turned on and whats not.
a tv still exists even when its turned off, it may not be preforming a function but it still exists as part of its own system
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: mustangbob3]
#21777295 - 06/08/15 04:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pussyfart I expect better grows and better class from a mod/TC
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: Dirty Harry]
#21777337 - 06/08/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool thread
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Re: Random Z Tub Thread....With PIN PORN !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! [Re: oontribe]
#21777613 - 06/08/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh shit PF sparks the wixin!!
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