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Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please
    #21747096 - 06/01/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm new to this hobby and this will be my very first try at cultivating mushrooms.

I just want to run my plan past you experienced blokes to see if I'm getting it. U know?

First I Have 750mL jars that you buy mayonnaise in that I drilled 16mm holes in the centre of the lid.

I'm planning on stuffing the holes super tight with poly whatever. (Inside of a pillow.)

Then I plan on preparing my WBS as seen in many tek's.

Then I will fill the jars 2/3 of the way with the WBS and PC.

Inoculate in a SAB with 2cc's of my spore syringe.

Incubate and wait till its 30% colonized then give it a good shake and wait till full colonization.

Then transfer that to a Bulk Sub. I plan on using HPOO because I have plenty.

It will be a mono tub. After the HPOO has colonized I plan on casing it with verm/coir and put it into fruiting.

Please comment and give advise, negative or positive both much appreciated.


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: buttermycoface]
    #21747110 - 06/01/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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buttermycoface said:
I'm new to this hobby and this will be my very first try at cultivating mushrooms.

I just want to run my plan past you experienced blokes to see if I'm getting it. U know?

First I Have 750mL jars that you buy mayonnaise in that I drilled 16mm holes in the centre of the lid.

I'm planning on stuffing the holes super tight with poly whatever. (Inside of a pillow.)

Then I plan on preparing my WBS as seen in many tek's.

Then I will fill the jars 2/3 of the way with the WBS and PC.

Inoculate in a SAB with 2cc's of my spore syringe.

Incubate and wait till its 30% colonized then give it a good shake and wait till full colonization.

Then transfer that to a Bulk Sub. I plan on using HPOO because I have plenty.

It will be a mono tub. After the HPOO has colonized I plan on casing it with verm/coir and put it into fruiting.

Please comment and give advise, negative or positive both much appreciated.



I would shake at about 20% personally.....and just fyi, only a few drops of spore solution is actually needed per jar...and I would skip the casing layer for your first run.....its not needed.


Oh yea, and no need for incubation....on a shelf at room temp is just fine.....if you are comfortable then so are they.



Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 83F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: PussyFart]
    #21747203 - 06/01/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for the advice, So I can inoculate using only half a cc of spore solution?

Our light is only about 8 hrs light 16 dark, should I get a 11w 6500k cfl on a timer to speed up the colonizing of the myc?

I have a lot of experience growing weed, but the shrooms seems a lot more complex.

Using HPOO in a monotub a good or bad idea?

Thanks for the feedback.


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: buttermycoface]
    #21747250 - 06/01/15 03:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.





light will trigger the formation of hyphal knots in a bag or jar long before any FAE is given!! (remeber the beads you see in a monotub are not hyphal knots as most say!! hyphal knots are tiny bumps.)

is hyphal knots not the first stage of fruiting/pinning?

after full colonisation, light triggers  hyphal knot formation and then when given fae ect .....the 'conditions' decide the appropriate places for these hyphal knots to become pins ect. remember not all knots become pins.. only the ones where 'conditions' are right.

lighting is a primary trigger imo, and should not be overlooked (controvercial i know)

hyphal knots start long before the conditions at right!!
they appear in high co2, no FAE ect.

its conditions after other parameters are set that allow these already formed hyphal knots to go on to form pins!!




and knots in a jar showing the start of pinning-



full colonisation + light triggers hyphal knots!!
hyphal knots are the first stage of fruiting.

store a colonised bag in the dark for extended period...
unless contam it sits fine... no knots or pins.

colonise in the light and after 100% bam you get knots even if no contam-
its the light !!

so light must be concidered a pinning trigger and primary at that.
the rest of the cycle depends more on conditions to allow these knots to form pins.

its basic mycology guys come on!!

EDIT: OP hpoo, gypsum and verm is great bulk substrate for a monotub.
i suggest finding/ following 1 tek and stick to it exactly.
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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21747867 - 06/01/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
light will trigger the formation of hyphal knots in a bag or jar long before any FAE is given!!



No it won't......

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mustangbob3 said:
after full colonisation, light triggers  hyphal knot formation



Exactly....after the MAIN pinning trigger is there(full colonization).....

Light is only secondary, and will not trigger pin formation unless one or both of the other main triggers(full colonization and evaporation/FAE) are also present.

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mustangbob3 said:
store a colonised bag in the dark for extended period...
unless contam it sits fine... no knots or pins.

colonise in the light and after 100% bam you get knots even if no contam-
its the light !!



Exactly....after 100%.......

My jars all colonize on this shelf which sits exactly 4ft away from direct CFL lighting.....knots never form before full colonization.

In fact, knots never form in my jars.....


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: PussyFart]
    #21747871 - 06/01/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mushrooms will pin and fruit in total darkness.....


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: PussyFart]
    #21747925 - 06/01/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

More factors to include, spectrum and intensity of light being used, also the frequency.

AFAIK its a part of the surfacing to air trigger, as a secondary.
I've also seen data supporting light being used to convert nutrients, light also provides a part heat source.

Increased oxygen + accelerator leading to increased knotting?
Never seen a mushroom growing in the middle of a cake.


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: PussyFart]
    #21748038 - 06/01/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

knots can and do form in the jar!!

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Exactly....after the MAIN pinning trigger is there(full colonization).....

Light is only secondary, and will not trigger pin formation unless one or both of the other main triggers(full colonization and evaporation/FAE) are also present.




i never said a thing about before 100%
read what i said after 100% colonised you will get hyphal knot regardless of fae ect.

see how you agreed with me in a round about way lol

Quote:

Exactly....after 100%.......

My jars all colonize on this shelf which sits exactly 4ft away from direct CFL lighting.....knots never form before full colonization.

In fact, knots never form in my jars.....




yes i said after 100%... my point was they form and in the light too!!
in the dark not so much unless of contams or just out of extremes and a bid to survive.

you tell me no then basically prove my point and agree with my statements in a round about way.!!

and knots do form in jars or bags regardless of being exposed to fruiting parameters lol.
like you said bags will pin in the dark....
yes they will in them bags( like you also said they couldnt or dont) with no set fruiting parameters lol

sorry to quote myself but this is how i see it....

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people confuse the trigger to initiate hyphal knots with the other triggers that allow the 'where'  to allow these knots to go on to form pins!

the trigger to 'where' is all in conditions (humidity + FAE).
the trigger to send the hormonal response throughout  the mycelium that is nearly time  to fruit is 100% colonisation + consolidation together with light!
this initiates hyphal knots formation and the hyphal knots that go on to form pins will be in the locations where humidity ect is best, and not all knots will become pins!
most time initiation of knots comes before birthing if consolidated,
and knots are the first stage of pinning
also some knot can be created  under the surface of the mycelium and is thought to happen by light penetrating the surface but how true who knows!

what about bulk subs they dont consolidate?

no they merge the consolidation and fruiting stage so there is no way to say in this case what cause the knots as the stages are not separate so no one can separate the tangle of effects that all the conditions/triggers are having! but in no way proves that light did not initiate the knots.

also we need to remember that the 'beads' seen in monotubs ect are primordia not hyphal knots as most confuse! knots are tiny like goosebumps.

all stimuli is important and it is a balancing act, but remember if any stimuli is not optimal or missing the mushrooms will rely on the ones that are left in a bid to survive and thats why they still pin in adverse conditions with any of the other triggers removed and with this fact we can see the role and importance of any other of the triggers/stimuli.

the order i see-

light and hormonal response from 100% colonised and consolidated triggers hypahl knot formation phase.

drop in co2 + humidity + increase of evapouration helps to select the best place for knots to go on to form pins

so there is enough evidence to say light is effective to be used as a pinning trigger but in conjunction with a balance of other stimuli but cannot be said to be less or more important as responsibility shifts if it is not optimal, satisfactory  or missing all together.

when looking at or conducting experiments about the effects of light first we must face facts...

mycelium is a system and it relys apon its senses and hormonal responses to create actions they dont have conciousness or able to make decisions only to respond to stimuli!!

people should not see light as causing location of pins but triggering of hyphal knots in the mycelium and then these knots turn to pins depending on the conditions, so 'location' of pins is all in conditions and the original trigger is 100% colonised and consolidated + light creating knots then the myc is just waiting for conditions and the dominoes fall and knots become pins and pinset is born.




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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748048 - 06/01/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

they pin fine in complete darkness too :shrug:


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748060 - 06/01/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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In fact, knots never form in my jars.....




yes i bet u dont do pftek and consolidate thats why!

think back when you did i bet u birthed jars with pins on it never mind knots lol and with out contams present too! its not uncommon to birth brf jars after consolidation with pins and hundreds of knots.
your so wrong lol

if you consolidate grains you will see knots!!


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748068 - 06/01/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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they pin fine in complete darkness too




how does this disprove in any way shape or for that hyphal knot form after 100% colonised and light is given without any other parameter being set!!

this is enough to show the role of lighting acting as a trigger to initiate pins afterall knots are the first stage are they not ??

they dont pin well in darkness and sometimes not at all so this only shows that it has an affinity to do so in certain extremes (prob just in an all out bid for survival) and in no way disproves my claims


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748098 - 06/01/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

because it doesnt matter whether light is introduced or not, they will pin after 100% either way :shrug:

its like wearing green socks after 100%... it doesnt seem to matter!


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748123 - 06/01/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
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they pin fine in complete darkness too




how does this disprove in any way shape or for that hyphal knot form after 100% colonised and light is given without any other parameter being set!!



It doesn't, but the knots would form regardless of if light is given or not.......your point is moot.....light is only secondary....

You said:

Quote:

mustangbob3 said:
after full colonisation, light triggers  hyphal knot formation



This is a false statement......full colonization triggered that.......


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: PussyFart]
    #21748146 - 06/01/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Listen to PussyFart, he knows what he's talking about. Guy's been around the block more than once.


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: spacechildo]
    #21748154 - 06/01/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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because it doesnt matter whether light is introduced or not, they will pin after 100% either way :shrug:

its like wearing green socks after 100%... it doesnt seem to matter!




thats like me being starving and passing up food as its not say a chicken dinner ... no if i was starving i would eat it anyway!!
just as the myc will force its self to poorly pin in darkness as a last ditch effort to survive!

you need to research confirmation bias and dual causality!

one out come doesnt dictate the other!
you talk in absolutes like if its this it cant be that.
why cant i be right and that also mycelium  has an affinity to pin poorly in darkness if forced to do so?
having this affinity dosent exclude the connection of light and pins!

correlation is not causation


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748169 - 06/01/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i trust pussyfarts experience 100% but untill someone can actually prove it wrong im sticking to scientific reason !

and saying they pin in darkness ... is too broad of a sweeping statement to prove anything!!
thats just assuming that as they can do it without light automatically means they must always do so!!


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748188 - 06/01/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Tell me exactly what you want proved wrong, and I will try my best to do it.

We already know mushrooms will knot, pin and fruit in complete darkness after full colonization.

I can back that up with links......so what is it that u are asking exactly?


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: PussyFart]
    #21748196 - 06/01/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Tell me exactly what you want proved wrong, and I will try my best to do it.

We already know mushrooms will knot, pin and fruit in complete darkness after full colonization.

I can back that up with links......so what is it that u are asking exactly?




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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: PussyFart]
    #21748249 - 06/01/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

prove ....

that hyphal knots cannot and do not form in bags/jar after 100% colonisation + consolidated without any other fruiting parameter set. 

and that jars observed - if recieving light most will initiate knots...

and jars recieving no light-  only a minority will show knots everything else being the same :smile:

i am greatful for your time and commitment :thumbup:

i see the light creates more hypal knots and quicker...
so when final fruiting parameters are finally set it  creates the conditions to allows more of these knots to go on to form pinheads and eventually pin ect createing the pinset.

in the dark less or even no knots are created so less go on to form pins ect...

showing the value of light as a primary pinning trigger or should i say knotting trigger lol alongside 100% col and consol :thumbup:

and also bear this in mind-

Quote:

all stimuli is important and it is a balancing act, but remember if any stimuli is not optimal or missing the mushrooms will rely on the ones that are left in a bid to survive and thats why they still pin in adverse conditions with any of the other triggers removed and with this fact we can see the role and importance of any other of the triggers/stimuli.




this swapping of stimuli happens with light, wind, and gravity ect if one stimuli is missing or in adequet.


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748331 - 06/01/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
prove ....

that hyphal knots cannot and do not form in bags/jar after 100% colonisation + consolidated without any other fruiting parameter set.



I cannot prove that they cannot.....that was never my argument.....they can pin after full colonization plus consolidation without any other parameters....mainly because the number one parameter for pinning is full colonization......This usually only happens with BRF cakes/bulk subs tho....I have never seen a grain jar knot/pin without given FAE...light has nothing to do with it, but the mycellium does benefit from the light, and I'm sure it helps.

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mustangbob3 said:
prove ....

that jars observed - if recieving light most will initiate knots...



I can disprove this......take my grain jars for example.....they sit on a shelf in my room getting direct/intense 6500k light from a cfl bulb that it literally 4ft away from the jars....the light is on for at least 12 hours a day......I can keep grain jars sitting there for months and all that will happen is the mycellium will get old.....no knotting, no pnning......because light is not enough, nor is full colonization in my case........ no FAE is the problem, which just happens to be the other main pinning trigger/parameter.....



Quote:

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and jars recieving no light-  only a minority will show knots everything else being the same :smile:



Light has nothing to do with it lol. What kind of jars are we talking about? BRF or grains?


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    #21748356 - 06/01/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

heres an example of shifting responsibility -

light is not the most important stimuli that decides directional growth in our mushrooms but it plays in a trio with wind and gravity, wind being the most important factor followed closely by light and lastly gravity.
  However if any of the trio are removed from the equation the responsibility shifts to the next most important and remaining stimuli.



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Tropisms in the mushroom Psilocybe cubensis.

Mycologia; Vol. 74 (1982) p 275-?

The growth of the mushroom Psilocybe cubensis was studied in a wind tunnel under controlled conditions of wind velocity, humidity, temperature,and light. The basidiocarp stipe grew into the wind up to the time of spore formation. When rotated with the long axis of the stipe perpendicular to the wind, fruit-bodies grew upright. When spores began to be formed a negative geo-tropic curvature of the stipe occurred but no recurvation occurred in a sporeless mutant.



This next experiment shows how you can confuse the mushrooms with these stimuli-



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as an experiment, you can put the light above and a fan blowing from right to left.  Watch what happens.

In the absence of any wind, the mushrooms grow towards the light.  You can also screw with your mushrooms if you're bored.  Every morning, rotate your trays of pinning/fruiting mushrooms by 90 degrees, and leave them until the next morning, then rotate them an additional 90 degrees.  They'll grow up in a spiral. :smile:
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This next experiment shows what happens if wind is removed from the equation, and its left to light and gravity(it chooses light over gavity)-


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Mushrooms will orient their caps toward light.  They are deriving energy from the light and position themselves to get maximum benefit.

What mushrooms do not need is light to 'tell' them which way to grow.  They'll grow opposite gravity in total darkness.

Here's a picture of penis envy which was turning toward a light source near the floor for exactly this kind of demonstration.
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and we all know that if there is no wind and no light they use gravity and grow straight up.

you see how responsibility's can shift if other stimuli is missing( i.e light) this same shift happens when subs pin in the dark, its because of a shift in responsability as the main usaul stimuli/triggers are missing!!


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748366 - 06/01/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I cannot prove that they cannot.....that was never my argument.....they can pin after full colonization plus consolidation without any other parameters....mainly because the number one parameter for pinning is full colonization......This usually only happens with BRF cakes/bulk subs tho....I have never seen a grain jar knot/pin without given FAE...light has nothing to do with it, but the mycellium does benefit from the light, and I'm sure it helps.




and first thing you replied to me...



Quote:

mustangbob3 said:
light will trigger the formation of hyphal knots in a bag or jar long before any FAE is given!!





you said...


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Re: Am I Understanding this correctly? Advice please [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21748374 - 06/01/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
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In fact, knots never form in my jars.....




yes i bet u dont do pftek and consolidate thats why!

think back when you did i bet u birthed jars with pins on it never mind knots lol and with out contams present too! its not uncommon to birth brf jars after consolidation with pins and hundreds of knots.
your so wrong lol

if you consolidate grains you will see knots!!




ask any pf tek grower and im sure they birthed hundreds cakes with knots and also the odd pin too, happens all the time!
without FAE!!!

now put them same jars in dark and never see light most will sit happily and not knot or anything unless bacteria is present the the odd 1 may pin invitro

you see minority vs majority..
its a wide gap not even close
light is the only difference


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    #21748419 - 06/01/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you seem a bit confused bob, Pf says it will pin even without light,
and you ask him to prove that they WONT pin.

also, "consolidated" grains normally wont start knotting. Leaving the colonized jar around for months is considered "consolidating".

Why don't you run a setup with some jars in the dark and some in the light and show how the ones given light has better pinsets?
I've never seen it happen, and you're the first I've seen in a long time who claims it does..

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    #21748452 - 06/01/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

when did i say it leads to better pinsets??

i was only comparing the minimal fruits if a tub recieved no light ever compared with ones that do!!

what i did say is when colonised in light and consolidated there is more hyphal knots present and that when the other fruiting parameters is set (fae ect) this creates the conditions to allow the knots to turn into pins!!

the amount of pins will rely on the individual conditions in the tub not the amount of knots!!
as i already said not all knots become pins... and its just common sense that if there is more knots then you introduce fruiting parameters there will be more available potential sites to go on to make pins if conditions are correct.

but amount and location  of pins ultimatly will be  conditions :thumbup:

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    #21748461 - 06/01/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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you seem a bit confused bob, Pf says it will pin even without light,
and you ask him to prove that they WONT pin.

also, "consolidated" grains normally wont start knotting. Leaving the colonized jar around for months is considered "consolidating".

Why don't you run a setup with some jars in the dark and some in the light and show how the ones given light has better pinsets?
I've never seen it happen, and you're the first I've seen in a long time who claims it does..

AND, maybe let OP have his thread back :lol:




i was pointing out the different amount from each group, u mis read...

i mean say... 9/10 in light will knot after consolidated
and          1/10 in dark will do the same

look at the vast difference in the two groups with only a change in light!!
that speaks volumes.

i will leave the thread to OP.

I only responded as pf responded saying that knots dont form in jars!!


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    #21748516 - 06/01/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't see the groups I just see your text :shrug:

pinning trigger doesn't mean bigger fruits, it means creating pins.

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light will trigger the formation of hyphal knots in a bag or jar long before any FAE is given!!





this is wrong.

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lighting is a primary trigger imo, and should not be overlooked (controvercial i know)




and this is wrong.

If your experience differ feel free to show me the side-by-side pics :shrug:


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    #21748618 - 06/01/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see the groups I just see your text :shrug:

pinning trigger doesn't mean bigger fruits, it means creating pins.





the fuck u reading??? i never mentioned fruit size??

how can you tell me my opinion is wrong?
i gave evidence to what i base it on!!
its my opinion like i said from the start.

your the one who needs prove different if your trying to persuade me my opinion is wrong!

im not going to change it till you give me a solid reason to why its wrong..
just you saying it is without being able to back it up is not enough for me sorry.

mostly your twisting my words and down right just reading what you want seriously!! are we reading the same thing!!
most of what you say i never mentioned
pinsets?? bigger fruit??? idont understand what your reading mate because in all i wrote i never said anything about light improving pinset or anything to do with fruit size

and sorry you to are mistaken knots form in jars all the time as do the odd pin... ive birthed and dunked loads with the odd pin!!

and im sure im not the only one who has waited for a monotub to knot up and form its first pin before allowing fae.:smile:


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    #21748686 - 06/01/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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when did i say it leads to better pinsets??

i was only comparing the minimal fruits if a tub recieved no light ever compared with ones that do!!




either you said it here, or you just contradicted yourself here.
better pinset = higher number of pins which can turn into mushrooms.

This is getting old tho, myc will pin after 100% colonization regardless of light,
the color of your socks or how many marshmallows you can fit in your mouth at once..

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let OP have his thread back :lol:




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    #21748691 - 06/01/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see the groups I just see your text :shrug:

pinning trigger doesn't mean bigger fruits, it means creating pins.





the fuck u reading??? i never mentioned fruit size??

how can you tell me my opinion is wrong?
i gave evidence to what i base it on!!
its my opinion like i said from the start.

your the one who needs prove different if your trying to persuade me my opinion is wrong!

im not going to change it till you give me a solid reason to why its wrong..
just you saying it is without being able to back it up is not enough for me sorry.

mostly your twisting my words and down right just reading what you want seriously!! are we reading the same thing!!
most of what you say i never mentioned
pinsets?? bigger fruit??? idont understand what your reading mate because in all i wrote i never said anything about light improving pinset or anything to do with fruit size

and sorry you to are mistaken knots form in jars all the time as do the odd pin... ive birthed and dunked loads with the odd pin!!




We can't be right all the time, just be a man and accept it. You're getting all hot and bothered because two experienced cultivators just proved you wrong, not very mature imo.

But, enough thread jacking. Sorry OP. Hope some of all this was useful to you :thumbup:


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    #21748723 - 06/01/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

to be honest i think quite the opposite and anyone with a brain can see that.
you can all think knots and pins dont form in jars lol
your all crazy and the ones who know im right wont say a word as they cowards and fear the bully boy tactics that will be metered out to them.


and space i only ever said conditions creates the pinset/better pinset sorry your just plain wrong

do a quick search- heres patsy, kizzle and others saying it happens-

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20301633

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15846654

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15319814#15319814

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15814524#15814524

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15814761#15814761

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17299675#17299675

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12532835#12532835

this is the first page of results using the search function lol
seems not just me lol

and it dont make me immature!!
it makes me mature to stand by my beliefs even when questioned and not be swayed by the first person that says different!!
like i said give me evidence not just your word.
it was space started being bitchy twisting what i said and i only defended my position as i am in this case right!

OP dont take my word for it use the search function and you will find the answers yourself!!
dpnt just take the word of people who clearly twist logic and reason to suit their argument!!
they can talk in absoulute and broad sweeping statements and then when i do the same to defend myself somehow thats not enough and my logic is flawed even if it is a carbon copy representation of their own thought process when they say things like will it pins in the dark!
well i too can say.. well they knot and pin in jars and more so in the light!
this is provable hundreds of times with the search engine, can they do such a thing other than assumption?? where is the threads? the tangible proof?
that dosent come back to a feeling or assumption??
they dont have one thats why they resorted to trying to discredit anything i said by twisting things .. taking sections out and finding fault with them, when the fault arises because the removed the phrase from its group of text and so removing context freeing up room in their favour for ambiguaity .

then space asking me grow in light to prove it!!

we all already colonise and fruit in light and we all know that it causes no ill affects!!

why would i grow to prove what we are both already saying??
strange thing to ask me to do?


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    #21748883 - 06/01/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All this was actually usefull, learned quite a lot about pinning trigers
! Everyone onboard with my plan?


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    #21748928 - 06/01/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm new to this hobby and this will be my very first try at cultivating mushrooms.

I just want to run my plan past you experienced blokes to see if I'm getting it. U know?

First I Have 750mL jars that you buy mayonnaise in that I drilled 16mm holes in the centre of the lid.

I'm planning on stuffing the holes super tight with poly whatever. (Inside of a pillow.)

Then I plan on preparing my WBS as seen in many tek's.

Then I will fill the jars 2/3 of the way with the WBS and PC.

Inoculate in a SAB with 2cc's of my spore syringe.

Incubate and wait till its 30% colonized then give it a good shake and wait till full colonization.

Then transfer that to a Bulk Sub. I plan on using HPOO because I have plenty.

It will be a mono tub. After the HPOO has colonized I plan on casing it with verm/coir and put it into fruiting.

Please comment and give advise, negative or positive both much appreciated.




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All this was actually usefull, learned quite a lot about pinning trigers
! Everyone onboard with my plan?




All good bro :thumbup: You're the man with a plan! Green light for growing :cool:


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    #21751188 - 06/02/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

sorry op for yesterday but im sure you can see i was only defending my beliefs. :thumbup:

if you think i was wrong do a quick search - 'hyphal knots in jars'
you will see i wasnt lying to you mate and you will see trusted members like patsy, kizzle ect saying it happens, they may not come here and admitt now but they unknowingly have agreed hundreds of times in old threads!!!

these guys norm great guys but somehow they have lost there way lol
i just hate people spreading clear mis-information  and sheep who fear speaking up

this 1 recent thread got loads pros saying what im saying-
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    #21751520 - 06/02/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

light isn't mentioned with a single word in that thread bob :shrug:
also remember grain jars does not = pf jars.

find a TC (from this decade) who says light induces pinning and jars should be kept in the dark!


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    #21751527 - 06/02/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

again i never said you should keep jars in the dark... quite the opposite :smile:

your lunny

pussyfart and you both said knots or pins dont form in jars???

and i cant agree that when its grains that the myc knows you want it for spawn so even when consolidated it sits there patiently waiting for you lol
you obviously have well trained myc :smile:

get over yourself i said from the start it was my opinion and also said it was controvercial at that!!

im going to leave it at that :thumbup:




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    #21752901 - 06/02/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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pussyfart and you both said knots or pins dont form in jars???



No, we simply said that light has nothing to do with whether or not pins form in the jars after full colonization.

Quote:

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and i cant agree that when its grains that the myc knows you want it for spawn so even when consolidated it sits there patiently waiting for you lol
you obviously have well trained myc :smile:



You obviously need more experience.....


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    #21753363 - 06/02/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You know....being right and being an asshole can become synonymous at a certain point.

To the OP:
Why so many mayonnaise jars? this is a little concerning. :cookiemonster:

Haha. I am joking there.

Your tek sounds pretty sound.
Franks' basic tek:
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    #21755597 - 06/02/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I was washing jars drilling holes and stuffing them with poly for like 5 hours yesterday. Was great fun.

I went to the pet shop and couldn't find WBS but I found a lot of different seeds and they not very expensive so I am going to make my own mix of seeds.

Another thing, The 70% rubbing alcohol I got yesterday is like a green colour and smells like hospital, is that the right shit? I think they added something to make it green?


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    #21755890 - 06/03/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

mustangbob3 said:
pussyfart and you both said knots or pins dont form in jars???



No, we simply said that light has nothing to do with whether or not pins form in the jars after full colonization.

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and i cant agree that when its grains that the myc knows you want it for spawn so even when consolidated it sits there patiently waiting for you lol
you obviously have well trained myc :smile:



You obviously need more experience.....





tbh i think the other way around!! u talk in contradictions!!

you agree mushrooms follow a circaidian rythum?

how do mushrooms follow a circadian rythum then??
they use light as the Zeitgeber (time giver)
mycelium can fruit and colonise in same temps... so thats out,
mycelium can fruit in the wild before it runs out of nutrients or before it max's out it full potential size of it network... again moot

in nature/wild the only thing that garantees they fruit at the correct time  is the exposure to 12/12 light ( the season they fruit) triggering knots and by heavy rains creating conditions!!

what tells them its the right time of year to fruit??
the 'time giver' that sets the internal clock of the mushroom.
just as light does for humans!! thats why if we change timezones we suffer jetlag!!

your way contradicts this!!

you cant have it both ways-

so now you cant say mushrooms have a circadian rythum if you dont acknoledge the purpose of light in triggering pins!!

i dont care how urs behave in an un-natural setup and being forced to do there thing!

im talking basic mycology and the way nature and myc doe it!!

afterall imo nature does it better...

1 outdoors fruits beauty overpowers a whole mono of homegrown...
i would love to grow beautyful mushrooms like this too...
and i believe nature cant be beaten.

you can pull your pants up now im finished with you! :smile:

i have gave you lots of proof and evidence to back my position but u cant do that, all you can do is cherry pick my info take it out of context and find fault that way!!

as a full argument my idea holds water like a dam but your has just flooded your citadel.

thats why you resort to bully boy tactics!!

anyone with a brain can see i wiped the floor with you even if i was incorrect... you cant demonstrate it in the slightest way apart from your word or confirmation bias!!

learn how to use a stick man argument.
win your argument by letting the stick man collapse!!

you have lots to learn about debate... luckily im english lol
now i will sink back to the high ground i just scored for myself!!

i wouldnt norm pull someone down and go to this extremes but you couldnt leave it!!

digging your hole deeper

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To be called circadian, a biological rhythm must meet these three general criteria:

The rhythm has an endogenous free-running period that lasts approximately 24 hours. The rhythm persists in constant conditions, (i.e., constant darkness) with a period of about 24 hours. The period of the rhythm in constant conditions is called the free-running period and is denoted by the Greek letter τ (tau). The rationale for this criterion is to distinguish circadian rhythms from simple responses to daily external cues. A rhythm cannot be said to be endogenous unless it has been tested and persists in conditions without external periodic input. In diurnal animals (active during daylight hours), in general τ is slightly greater than 24 hours, whereas, in nocturnal animals (active at night), in general τ is shorter than 24 hours.

The rhythms are entrainable. The rhythm can be reset by exposure to external stimuli (such as light and heat), a process called entrainment. The external stimulus used to entrain a rhythm is called the Zeitgeber, or "time giver". Travel across time zones illustrates the ability of the human biological clock to adjust to the local time; a person will usually experience jet lag before entrainment of his/her circadian clock has brought it into sync with local time.

The rhythms exhibit temperature compensation. In other words, they maintain circadian periodicity over a range of physiological temperatures. Many organisms live at a broad range of temperatures, and differences in thermal energy will affect the kinetics of all molecular processes in their cell(s). In order to keep track of time, the organism's circadian clock must maintain roughly a 24-hour periodicity despite the changing kinetics, a property known as temperature compensation. The Q10 Temperature Coefficient is a measure of this compensating effect. If the Q10 coefficient remains approximately 1 as temperature increases, the rhythm is considered to be temperature-compensated.





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    #21755903 - 06/03/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You seem to have an ego the size of Texas.......


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    #21755907 - 06/03/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

nothing to do with ego... how can having an opinion and standing by it as you have not proved it to be wrong and then standing up for myself when being bullied be misconstrewed as ego??
you say silly things just to try to tarnish my words and you cant take them down with your own knowledge. it seems its you who has ego and a sore one at that!
insulting or trying to insult my ego does nothing to take away your wrong words and only gains the support of muppets :thumbup:
attack me on the original argument or cant u stick to that you have to constantly divert it??
just standing up for my beliefs and not letting people making out im saying shit im not!!

not my fault you cant read ,keep context and keep the whole argument in mind so have to carefully cherry pick your battles.

leading you to look a dick with no brain!!

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    #21755910 - 06/03/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

and first thing you replied to me...



Quote:

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light will trigger the formation of hyphal knots in a bag or jar long before any FAE is given!!







you said...



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No it won't......





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    #21755929 - 06/03/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And I stick by it....light doesn't trigger anything......enough.....no more of this in this thread.....


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    #21755938 - 06/03/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yes only your opinion no proof... i gave you lots of supporting evidence to back up my reported opinion!!

you have shown the value of your knowledge too
even showed u how your knowledge contradicts itself!!lol

a silly person who is faced with contradiction and doesnt realise there must be something a miss with his opinion.

put that contradiction to the back of your mind...
it might hurt after a while

that TC tag dosent make you right or others opinions wrong!! look at guideline for that there tag...

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It doesn't mean that those without the tag are not to be listened to or respected for their advice and opinions, but rather that those with the tag have repeatedly proved to the staff here that they're competent to answer questions and give advice.  Hopefully, this will take some of the burden off the moderating staff to try to read each and every thread. RR





http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8903929

Seems you dont think others can have or voice their opinions unless it agrees with your own and other opinions are somehow invalid.

imo you dont deserve that tag.
you got experience and skills yes, but your crap with people or with teaching and mostly see fear in and threat in any opinion that is not ur own


finally im going to relay some advice you gave me 3 months ago..
i suggest you take you own...

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If you cannot prove it when challenged, you may want to think twice about giving advice.....




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21281414#21281414


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    #21756008 - 06/03/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok....I will use the search function for you....then no more of this in this thread.....you want facts and proof?

Lets start off with opinions from professionals, who do this for a living.....maybe their opinion is worth more than mine....

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Light anywhere on a substrate will help trigger pinning anywhere else on the substrate where conditions are right, such as in the gap around the edges.  However, fresh air exchange is the biggest pinning trigger.  Cubensis will pin in total darkness if given fresh air exchange and full colonization.  Light helps the mushrooms grow to full size and weight after pinning.
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Mushrooms do not just use light as a pinning trigger.  Light is only a secondary pinning trigger.  Mushrooms do however use light as a source of energy, and this is why they tend to orient their caps towards it: to receive the maximum possible energy from the light.
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Light is merrily a secondary pinning trigger, considering P cubensis will pin in total darkness.  The main benefits of proper lighting come after pinning when light can help the mushrooms double or more in weight and other qualities.
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Light and fresh air are required for fruits to develop to full size and potential.  However, they're not required for pins to form.  Some strains will pin right at full colonization whether they're out of the jar or not.
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Mushrooms will grow even in total darkness, but with poor results. To the OP: when growing cubes the most important pinning triggers are FAE, full colonization and evaporation of water from the substrate. Temps and humidity are important as well, but not as important as the first ones. Furthermore a drop in temperature at night is absolutely normal and can even be beneficial. IME a very high RH (over 95%) is required only once pins have appeared. During the first 5 or 6 days 90% will be more than enough.



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Secondly light on its own may not be enough to initiate pinning, but it IS a pinning trigger.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10846152#10846152


Now....no more discussion about this here.....create a new thread, with a poll about the light situation if u like.......just not here.


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    #21756014 - 06/03/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21756021 - 06/03/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

most of what you put agrees with me!!
are you mad!!

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Light and fresh air are required for fruits to develop to full size and potential.  However, they're not required for pins to form.  Some strains will pin right at full colonization whether they're out of the jar or not.
RR




read what i said and shifting of responsabilitys of stimuli...

rr says the same thing in them quotes.

the only reason he classes it as secondry(his opinion) is because they will pin in dark if other stimuli is missing or inadeuet lol

i explained how i incorporate this in to my opinion its not my fault your reading skills are crap

he says the same as me!!

re-read what i said a a 'whole' not indiviual groups of words..
that way what i say will have 'context' a very important thing when chatting on the internet and not face to face.

just for brevity's sake here is a taster of what i said-

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so there is enough evidence to say light is effective to be used as a pinning trigger but in conjunction with a balance of other stimuli but cannot be said to be less or more important as responsibility shifts if it is not optimal, satisfactory  or missing all together.





i think u will find this sums up the whole thing and even RR agrees on it too!!

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Light anywhere on a substrate will help trigger pinning anywhere else on the substrate where conditions are right, such as in the gap around the edges.  However, fresh air exchange is the biggest pinning trigger.  Cubensis will pin in total darkness if given fresh air exchange and full colonization.  Light helps the mushrooms grow to full size and weight after pinning.
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Secondly light on its own may not be enough to initiate pinning, but it IS a pinning trigger.




this is what i said too.
full colonised+ consolidated +light helping iniciate pinning(hyphal knots)... conditions allowing the right place for these to become pins!!

like i said i think u will find its water tight

and for that reasoning i will continue to colonise in light for the percieved gift of a smoother transition into fruiting and a bountiful harvest :thumbup:

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    #21756190 - 06/03/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody is gonna read this shit.


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    #21756196 - 06/03/15 05:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i didnt write it for show??

i couldnt careless who reads it!
i was defending myself and the only people who i care about reading it is the ones who it was between.


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    #21756212 - 06/03/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you're all over the place bob, try quitting while you're still behind..

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I was washing jars drilling holes and stuffing them with poly for like 5 hours yesterday. Was great fun.

I went to the pet shop and couldn't find WBS but I found a lot of different seeds and they not very expensive so I am going to make my own mix of seeds.

Another thing, The 70% rubbing alcohol I got yesterday is like a green colour and smells like hospital, is that the right shit? I think they added something to make it green?




Nice find on the cheap grains! Have you tried a feed store yet? I'd imagine pet stores' seeds/grains are way more expensive than at a
store that sells food in bulk for larger animals like horses.

idk about the green ISO, mine is clear like water, called antibac surface cleaner.
anyway, as long as its 70% alcohol I can't imagine it being wrong :shrug:


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    #21756377 - 06/03/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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you're all over the place bob, try quitting while you're still behind..

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I was washing jars drilling holes and stuffing them with poly for like 5 hours yesterday. Was great fun.

I went to the pet shop and couldn't find WBS but I found a lot of different seeds and they not very expensive so I am going to make my own mix of seeds.

Another thing, The 70% rubbing alcohol I got yesterday is like a green colour and smells like hospital, is that the right shit? I think they added something to make it green?




Nice find on the cheap grains! Have you tried a feed store yet? I'd imagine pet stores' seeds/grains are way more expensive than at a
store that sells food in bulk for larger animals like horses.

idk about the green ISO, mine is clear like water, called antibac surface cleaner.
anyway, as long as its 70% alcohol I can't imagine it being wrong :shrug:




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    #21756446 - 06/03/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Are you sure that green stuff isn't like a detergent?  I use to use an antiseptic solution that was green to clean my ambulance.  It would be good to wipe everything down, but I wouldn't want to apply it liberally to everything, it would be a mess.  Put some on your finger, see if it's slippery.


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    #21756503 - 06/03/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dude he's talking about the isopropyl alcohol that's dyed green for some weird ass reason.  If anything it has some kinda methyl something in there or other, but I can't remember what it is.  I believe it just makes it smell minty.


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    #21756603 - 06/03/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ya I thought he might of been talking about this stuff
http://firstaidsupplystores.com/green-soap-antiseptic-cleanser-250-ml-3/

Never seen that "wintergreen" ISO before, minty ISO, weird...  I personally like the smell of regular ISO lol.


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    #21756827 - 06/03/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I think it's pretty dumb, personally.  Why do that to isopropyl?


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    #21757176 - 06/03/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah I think it's pretty dumb, personally.  Why do that to isopropyl?




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    #21757233 - 06/03/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah I think it's pretty dumb, personally.  Why do that to isopropyl?




Tastes better?  :paperbag:




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    #21759935 - 06/04/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not slippery, its just a minty smell, and it says wintergreen on the bottle, it evaporates really fast and makes everything cold where it touches the surface.

I take that it should be fine.

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