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agarmeister
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Fruiting Mex & Tamp
#21744709 - 05/31/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi all,
I currently have about a qt. of grains colonised with Ps. Mexicana and another qt. of Tampanensis.
I'd like to fruit both of them, and I have the following at my disposal:
1 big SGFC with 2-3 inches of perlite
2 Small-ish monotubs
A few bricks of coir (no hpoo or peat moss where I'm at)
Vermiculite
So, should I make some bulk 50/50 substrate with the coir and verm and spawn it? And then, is it monotub or SGFC ?
Thanks!
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agarmeister said: So, should I make some bulk 50/50 substrate with the coir and verm and spawn it?
I would shoot for more like an 80/20 mix of coir/verm.....just like any other tek calls for......
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agarmeister said: And then, is it monotub or SGFC ?
I would go monotub.
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agarmeister
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: PussyFart]
#21744746 - 05/31/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks! about the 20/80, I was searching the forums and found a comment by RR saying that upping the verm ratio to 50/50 might increase yield.
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Yea, might.....but by how much?
You can pull an entire pound(or really close to it) off a monotub with an 80/20 mix and good genetics.......
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Edited by PussyFart (05/31/15 12:59 PM)
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agarmeister
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: PussyFart]
#21744757 - 05/31/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do I need casing for that? I'm asking because I can't get peat moss where I'm at.
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Can you get jiffy mix even? You can use coir and Verm as a casing if that's all you have.
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agarmeister
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: Grey]
#21744914 - 05/31/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jiffy mix is a possibility, would that do for casing?
What about wax paper?
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Well the wax paper will eventually have to be removed.
Jiffy mix and Verm will work as long as it's properly pasteurized.
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: Grey]
#21748199 - 06/01/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What ration would you recommend for casing, Jiffy mix and verm 50/50 ?
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ShroominMe
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Yes, 50/50 is just right: Easy Casing Layer
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agarmeister
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Thanks,
But alas, I could not find Jiffy mix anywhere.
This is so frustrating, there's got to be a substitute to peat.. What if I cover the colonised bulk with waxpaper, would that do?
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Cubes don't need a casing ime. They'll fruit just fine without one.
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: Myconin]
#21760664 - 06/04/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So it seems, however I'm growing Ps. Mexicana and Ps. Tampanensis, so as far as I know - casing would be a must here.
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Wow I've got to stop late night answering threads, they all blend together after a while lol. I was looking at so many cube threads...
Disregard my casing comment. Sorry, I can't help you. As I said, I don't case.
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: Myconin]
#21760686 - 06/04/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No worried, I dig the intention behind it
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coir+verm is a nice casing layer. even better if you dont cook it IMO.
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Just use verm. Coir is too nutritious. Or go find some peat, it's everywhere. Fucking Walmart sells it.
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21777539 - 06/08/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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In a desperate move, I shredded the forest-moss I bought a while ago (those greenish hairs that you use to decorate reptile terrariums), sifted it and used just the finest particles instead of peat moss.
I will case with it soon and report back.
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36fuckin5
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Don't do that, just use verm, like I said before.
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21786857 - 06/10/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Don't do that, just use verm, like I said before.
Any particular reason for it not to work? I mean, the forest moss does retain water quite well, and since it's shredded to dust, the texture is quite similar to peat moss.
Obviously I wouldn't mind using just plain verm (much less work) but I saw a comment by RR a while ago saying that plain verm has almost no significance.
Have you had success fruiting Mexicanas with just verm for casing?
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36fuckin5
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You don't know the composition of that moss. It may need buffered, and you don't know how much water it holds/releases. It might work but you'd have to experiment.
RR isn't the end-all-be-all of mushrooms. I haven't fruited Mexicana with plain verm casing but I have fruited Pans and Galindoi with it.
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21788571 - 06/10/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fair enough. I did my best with the casing prep, adding gypsum and hydrated lime etc. So I guess I'll case some of the mini-tubs with plain verm and some with moss + verm.
Now about RR, isn't he the closest thing to end-all-be-all of mushrooms, at least for us shroomery folks?
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agarmeister said: Now about RR, isn't he the closest thing to end-all-be-all of mushrooms, at least for us shroomery folks? 
Nope. I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about but he really does shit the hard way. I trust RR's advice to work, but I've seen more impressive flushes and info from Workman. AFAIK, and I may be wrong, but RR doesn't have a mycology degree. Workman does and is active in the active community.
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21790740 - 06/10/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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For pumping out mass amounts of Cubes, listen to Frank Horrigan. For more in depth shit, RR is good, Workman is better.
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agarmeister
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21791755 - 06/11/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, that's news to me, Thanks!
Do you have some links to written teks that you would recommend by these two?
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36fuckin5
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Anything they've written is gold. Just search.
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agarmeister
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Re: Fruiting Mex & Tamp [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21798166 - 06/12/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I went through Frank's teks, very well made. I don't see him stray from RR's instructions much, it looks like his teks are based on RR's.
Thanks again for your help.
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