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enviromentalism against technological evolution
    #21744006 - 05/31/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I want to be an environmentalist but....

•when the sun expires if we have not discovered interstellar travel our species goes extinct

Should I help save the earth? Or promote technological evolution?

Think, if the time comes and our planet is devoid of resources and unable to.support life, or if our star expires and we are not able to leave earth, people will say "you fool! You cleaned the rivers and saved the animals and cleaned the ocean when you should have been putting every ounce of energy into devolping technology to leave this planet!"

I find myself only ½ way an environmentalist, we must keep the planet liveable for ourselves and the other lifeforms that keep nature from collapsing, but must also do all we can to advance the technology for space travel as a means of preserving our species...

-E. Borodin


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21744046 - 05/31/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm at a loss here....

I cant decide which is the right thing to do....

-E. Borodin


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21744049 - 05/31/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In the New Earth there will be no sea, so that sort of pre-supposes that technology will carry on when environmental concerns are a thing of the past. I hope this helps you in your quandary.


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21744053 - 05/31/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can do both.


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Sun King]
    #21747457 - 06/01/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can do both.




I wish I could, but one option always seems to impeade on the other, its looking like I need to put all my energy into one or the other...besides I'm just one person in the 21st century, in the bigger picture I know it wont really matter what I do, but I want to be able to think I made a moral decision....

-E. Borodin


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21747474 - 06/01/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We really can't clean up the earth.  Worse, as the aerosol spraying continues on a ramped up scale, the poisoning becomes even greater.  Radiation from Fukushima, nice to not have to hear about that on the news for months on end but it continues leaking.  China is a real mess, whole cities of toxic electronic waste with a river having a pH of 1.  What's your "technological evolution" going to do to go clean up that river?


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #21747551 - 06/01/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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We really can't clean up the earth.  Worse, as the aerosol spraying continues on a ramped up scale, the poisoning becomes even greater.  Radiation from Fukushima, nice to not have to hear about that on the news for months on end but it continues leaking.  China is a real mess, whole cities of toxic electronic waste with a river having a pH of 1.  What's your "technological evolution" going to do to go clean up that river?




...whats the point of cleaning a river on a planet we are going to abandon? That's the issue I'm struggling with, I'm sure that when the time comes we will have a sample of most livings things DNA to bring with us, specially food plants and polenating insects and so on....

I watch films like this one:



I want to save the Forrest and stop the murder of innocent animals, but I don't want to do it at the cost of the species.....failure is an option, and if we fail, if another civilization ever tries to rebuild they will find the planet already mined of useable resources and polluted...this is a one shot deal.....

....and the name of the game is to find another earth before this one cant support us or before our sun super-novas.....

The people in control now think that there's going to be an easy way out, that saucers from alpha-centauti will swoop in and save us before this happens, or that Christ will return to earth for a final battle with Satan and everybody will be "beamed" up to heaven....


...I don't know...its a complicated issue, and again I'm just one person, it would be like trying to Dam a river with a single twig, I cant stop anything...

...but again I want to know I did what was best for life.


-E. Borodin


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21748263 - 06/01/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why can't you be a technologist and environmentalist?


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21748506 - 06/01/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because techenvironmentologist is too long a word. :shrug:


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21749783 - 06/01/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm pro common sense, a rare and unpopulated group in the 21st century.


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21751626 - 06/02/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Why can't you be a technologist and environmentalist?




Because the interests of one always impeads on the interests of  the other.....


If there's a way that's great....


Like I said, this is a personal moral issue, I cant change anything, like I said before it would be like trying to Dam a river with a single twig.....I just want to know I put my effort in the correct location...

-E. Borodin

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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21751635 - 06/02/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There is a way, become a geoengineer like a David Keith or a Ken Caldeira.  Pretend you have the cure for the environment in the form of global cooling that does anything but that.  Pretend you have the solution waiting while all along you've been creating the problem, and can't believe there hasn't been more of a reaction.

So good work, boys, you are an integral part of the elite team working hard to destroy the earth while reassuring folks that geoengineering is the answer.


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum] * 1
    #21751966 - 06/02/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just do both? We humans have enough time. The planets wont run away. The sun will continue shining for millions of years.
So our technological evolution has enough time to happen. The question is if we safe our planet with technology or use it to create even more waste.


Edited by RennHuhn (06/03/15 09:14 AM)


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21752046 - 06/02/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Renn Hunn, always enjoy your posts considerably. :smile:

Just wanted to say. :smile:

My view is in agreement: it's 100% possible to do both; have technology without destroying species' lives,


the loss of any 1 species' life is too much, in my view; and it is not necessary to compromise.


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21752097 - 06/02/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Like I said, this is a personal moral issue, I cant change anything, like I said before it would be like trying to Dam a river with a single twig.....I just want to know I put my effort in the correct location...

-E. Borodin

-E. Borodin




So, you want to waste your life in a way that makes you feel good. :thumbup:


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Sun King]
    #21755245 - 06/02/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Planet of the Apes is a result of environmentalism gone too far. I have to say that George Taylor was not the sharpest rock in the box. He believed he flew halfway across the galaxy and even though the apes spoke English, he had no clue he was back on earth until he saw the Statue of Liberty?

Really? :flowstone:


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21756067 - 06/03/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How would alien apes learn English? That's just silly.

:hahthatsrich:


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: Sun King]
    #21756169 - 06/03/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I liked Nova. She was hot, submissive and most importantly, never spoke.

The perfect woman! :cookiemonster:


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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21756181 - 06/03/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Charlton liked apes.



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Re: enviromentalism against technological evolution [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #21756419 - 06/03/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
There is a way, become a geoengineer like a David Keith or a Ken Caldeira.  Pretend you have the cure for the environment in the form of global cooling that does anything but that.  Pretend you have the solution waiting while all along you've been creating the problem, and can't believe there hasn't been more of a reaction.

So good work, boys, you are an integral part of the elite team working hard to destroy the earth while reassuring folks that geoengineering is the answer.





Could you please eleaborate on geoengineering?

-E. Borodin


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